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Post by ************** on Aug 19, 2014 15:13:03 GMT
I'd like to see us to get to three at the back at some point in the season. But for next week at the KC: Diouf Arnautovic Odemwingie Bojan
Adam N'Zonzi Pieters Muniesa Shawcross BardsleyBegoI need to see Moses before i'll commit to starting him, so Arnie just edges him for now. Wilson doesn't look right so Muniesa starts.
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Post by jbstokie on Aug 19, 2014 15:20:53 GMT
Why is diouf in everybodys team ahead of crouch? He's better than Crouch? We're away from home so having somebody quicker than a bus with no wheels could be helpful?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 19, 2014 15:24:57 GMT
I don't think we should do anything too drastic in terms of making wholesale changes to the team as the team is not going to gel.
So I'd be tempted to put Odewingie in for Ireland moving Bojan to Ireland's position for now. With the potential for any of Ireland, Adam, Moses and Crouch to come on and potentially change the game.
Crouch definitely made his case for a starting position given how he performed in the last half hour but at the same time Diouf needs time to adjust. If he struggles again then maybe look at changing it for the Citeh game.
The problem with having a big squad is the temptation to make sweeping changes after a bad loss/ performance.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 19, 2014 15:27:09 GMT
Why is diouf in everybodys team ahead of crouch? Because he is the future Crouch came on and did well but did he score ? He saw more of the ball because there were loads of long balls to him from Ryan / Wilson. We HAVE TO integrate Diouf because we are getting no one else in soon and to drop him after one game would send us 4 steps back rather than any forward
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Post by stokemark on Aug 19, 2014 15:28:27 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'zonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf Ireland didn't do enough for me today to cement himself into that central attacking role. Diouf can't be blamed for not doing much against Villa. Same team I'd pick. Mine too
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Post by redwhite on Aug 19, 2014 15:29:31 GMT
Why is diouf in everybodys team ahead of crouch? Because unlike you, not everyone has entirely written him off and labeled him wank due to his performances before his hugely successful Bundesliga campaign. If you want to decide that he's utterly useless after a poor spell and an uneventful 70 minutes on Saturday go ahead, but it's pretty clear why a the vast majority of people want to give him a chance.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 19, 2014 15:35:52 GMT
------------------------ bego --------------------- Bardsley - shawcross - Wilson - muniesa --------------- Sidwell - nzonzi ----------------- --- Moses ------ Ireland ------- arnautovic - --------------------- diouf -------------------------
Subs: Sorensen, Huth, pieters, Cameron, Adam, odemwingie, crouch
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Post by prem4stoke on Aug 19, 2014 15:36:07 GMT
Why is diouf in everybodys team ahead of crouch? Because unlike you, not everyone has entirely written him off and labeled him wank due to his performances before his hugely successful Bundesliga campaign. If you want to decide that he's utterly useless after a poor spell and an uneventful 70 minutes on Saturday go ahead, but it's pretty clear why a the vast majority of people want to give him a chance. I would have him coming on for the last 20-30 mins use his pace then at least for the first few games, this doesn't mean I have wrote him off.
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Post by foxxy on Aug 19, 2014 15:37:58 GMT
The way I saw the Villa game was that Ireland was invisible so we created minimal chances, he may as well have come and sat next to me, which is a shame after the bright pre season that he had. As for the defence, I am not going to slate Bardsley the right side was left wide open most of the time as Bojan isn't a winger and comes inside to often (where he looks dangerous!) Everybody calling for Crouch ahead of Diouf - It wasn't that Diouf played badly, the service from midfield was awful and he barely got a kick, Ireland who we know can be so instrumental in that position offered nothing, Nzonzi was better and as for Whelan we know he isn't there to create anything (which isn't a problem as he protects the back four which he did so well last season, although admittedly not so well on saturday) The reason we looked better when crouch came on was because we bypassed that midfield and launched it long which isn't what we want to see is it although we had to try something different I guess.
So my starting 11 for Hull:
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters Whelan Nzonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf
The reason I went for Moses over Odemwingie is because from the (admittedly very little) game time I saw from Odemwingie in pre season he looked off the pace. Id let Moses have a go as I reckon he has a massive point to prove after getting little game time at Chelsea and Liverpool.
The bench:
Sorenson, Muniesa, Cameron, Sidwell, Adam, Odemwingie, Crouch.
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Post by prem4stoke on Aug 19, 2014 15:47:53 GMT
The way I saw the Villa game was that Ireland was invisible so we created minimal chances, he may as well have come and sat next to me, which is a shame after the bright pre season that he had. As for the defence, I am not going to slate Bardsley the right side was left wide open most of the time as Bojan isn't a winger and comes inside to often (where he looks dangerous!) Everybody calling for Crouch ahead of Diouf - It wasn't that Diouf played badly, the service from midfield was awful and he barely got a kick, Ireland who we know can be so instrumental in that position offered nothing, Nzonzi was better and as for Whelan we know he isn't there to create anything (which isn't a problem as he protects the back four which he did so well last season, although admittedly not so well on saturday) The reason we looked better when crouch came on was because we bypassed that midfield and launched it long which isn't what we want to see is it although we had to try something different I guess. So my starting 11 for Hull: Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters Whelan Nzonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf The reason I went for Moses over Odemwingie is because from the (admittedly very little) game time I saw from Odemwingie in pre season he looked off the pace. Id let Moses have a go as I reckon he has a massive point to prove after getting little game time at Chelsea and Liverpool. The bench: Sorenson, Muniesa, Cameron, Sidwell, Adam, Odemwingie, Crouch. Everything you wrote there for me is spot on, only difference for me is they will be set up 3-5-2 and we are away so I reckon knock downs from Crouch to Bojan and hopefully Bojan to find either of Arnie or Moses will stretch their 3 man defence allowing crosses to Crouch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 16:12:52 GMT
Well there's no chance of PO starting.Him and Cameron are in contention for the Portsmouth game Hughes said today
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 19, 2014 16:34:46 GMT
Diouf? After the weekend? If it hadn't had been his debut then he would have got laughed at or boo'd to death for running the ball out in front of the Boothen. I pray to God there is better to come if he keeps his place. Crouch for me I wasn't impressed either but he had no service at all and you have to hope, having chased him for over a year, that there is MUCH more to come from him. If Diouf misses out I would play Odemwingie and Walters in that forward role ahead of Crouch. If Odemwingie plays up front it frees up the right sided spot for Moses. Don't agree with whoever it is above that says Moses plays ahead of Arnie. What few things we did well all came from Arnie and he was easily the pick of Saturday's forward players despite being surrounded by 2 or 3 opposition players every time he had the ball. It was ME actually, whatever your name is! . . . . , . .and I stand by 100% what I wrote about Moses replacing Arnie.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 19, 2014 17:17:43 GMT
.............................Bego......................... Bardsley.......Ryan.........Huth...........Eric .............NZonzi..................Sidwell.......... ...Moses...............Bojan..........Arno........ ..............................Diouf......................... me too
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 19, 2014 18:27:26 GMT
Why is diouf in everybodys team ahead of crouch? He's better than Crouch? We're away from home so having somebody quicker than a bus with no wheels could be helpful? Hes better than crouch haha? Any facts to back this statement up as you definatley have no proof. Oh and no scoring 1 in 2 in the bundesliga doesnt count, pericard could get that many
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 19, 2014 18:28:15 GMT
Even funnier how people are dropping him for odemwingie who did brilliant for us last season, deluded.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 19, 2014 19:06:38 GMT
Even funnier how people are dropping him for odemwingie who did brilliant for us last season, deluded. Broken Britain.
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Post by robstokie on Aug 19, 2014 19:09:22 GMT
My team would be
Bego
Shawcross Huth Bardsley Pieters
N Zonzi Whelan
Arnie Bojan Odemwingie
Crouch
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Post by jbstokie on Aug 19, 2014 19:17:59 GMT
He's better than Crouch? We're away from home so having somebody quicker than a bus with no wheels could be helpful? Hes better than crouch haha? Any facts to back this statement up as you definatley have no proof. Oh and no scoring 1 in 2 in the bundesliga doesnt count, pericard could get that many Well if you're just going to say that the facts I can give you don't count I don't really know what I can say to convince you. "You were caught stealing on a security camera" "That doesn't count, your honor" I don't think that would go well.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 19, 2014 19:21:53 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley - Shawcross - Wilson - Pieters Whelan Sidwell - Nzonzi Odemwingie - Bojan - Arnautovic
Given it much thought and decided on this. Pace on the break with enough steel in there to defend well.
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 19, 2014 19:32:35 GMT
Hes better than crouch haha? Any facts to back this statement up as you definatley have no proof. Oh and no scoring 1 in 2 in the bundesliga doesnt count, pericard could get that many Well if you're just going to say that the facts I can give you don't count I don't really know what I can say to convince you. "You were caught stealing on a security camera" "That doesn't count, your honor" I don't think that would go well. Could use his goalscoring record when he was at united or Blackburn ......
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 19, 2014 19:34:27 GMT
I wasn't impressed either but he had no service at all and you have to hope, having chased him for over a year, that there is MUCH more to come from him. If Diouf misses out I would play Odemwingie and Walters in that forward role ahead of Crouch. If Odemwingie plays up front it frees up the right sided spot for Moses. Don't agree with whoever it is above that says Moses plays ahead of Arnie. What few things we did well all came from Arnie and he was easily the pick of Saturday's forward players despite being surrounded by 2 or 3 opposition players every time he had the ball. It was ME actually, whatever your name is! . . . . , . .and I stand by 100% what I wrote about Moses replacing Arnie. I wasn't being funny or derogatory. I was on my blackberry and having started my reply I couldn't then scroll up to see who wrote it. That's your opinion whichh your entitled to. As I say I don't agree. Arnie was our only real threat on Saturday hence Villa put 3 on him in the end and tried, successfully, to rough him up.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2014 20:39:13 GMT
Saturday... Ireland blew around the middle of the park like a discarded carrier bag. Bojan had the movement of Zebedee. Bardsley spent most of the game chatting up the lino. Wilson cluttered up our defence. Diouf played like he was used to playing on bigger pitches, and seemed to want to get out of the way. Arnie had no relief from the Villa multiple stalkers. Everyone else were confused and just going through the motions. And there was no one to sort it all out until it was too late.
It wasn't only us who rested World Cup returnees, but Schirler {off 'Outnumbered' } played last night for Chelsea, so you'd think Cameron and Odemwingie {having not reached the final} would be ripe for sunday selection.
The games against Hull last season were fairly attritional affairs. The battle of wills will be won in midfield. I'd utilize the Fonz to mither Huddlestone out of the game, with Odemwingie and Arnie chipping in tracking back, and the Mighty Muniesa mopping up the rest. No use sitting back and letting their midfield over awe us. If Hughes plays two false No.10's in this one i'll burst my inflatable thighs in disgust. I'm getting fed up of the 'isolated striker' tactic. A 'line leader'/ 'one up top' how we play it is crap. Attacking, complimentary partnerships, {or at a stretch a dynamic 4-3-3} is where it's at for me.
*see ibid. for the 3-5-2 {ish} rationale.
----------Bego--------------- Cameron Shawcross Pieters ---- N'Zonzi Muniesa------ Odemwingie Adam Arnautovic -------Diouf Crouch---------
Use the bench to shake it up. Drop Muniesa back and bring Whelan on if the bottle goes, and/or swap Adam for Ireland if that's not working. Bring the Catalan lad on for Diouf/Crouch second half.
Hughesy obviously won't see it that way... he might need Jesus, not Moses on Humberside. It's only Tuesday, I reserve the right to change me mind.
Go on Stoke....
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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 19, 2014 21:37:00 GMT
Plus one. FFS - this: Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'zonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2014 23:04:10 GMT
Get Odemwingie back in the team and drop Arnie.
Arnie has been poor in preseason and just doesn't look right at all at the minute and needs a rocket up his arse.
I'd also be tempted to get Moses in the team too.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Aug 20, 2014 11:23:21 GMT
I think we seriously missed Wingie last week... so he'd have to be in my squad. With all the talk of Bojan and his anxiety etc, I'm actually quite surprised he was thrown straight in as a starter. I also think starting with both new starters was a mistake.
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
N'Zonzi Whelan
Wingie Ireland Arnie
Diouf
I know Diouf looked lost at times on Saturday, but I think this was down to the tactics played by Villa, and our response (or lack of).
For us to get the best out of him he needs game time, we can always bring Crouch in to the mix with half an hour to go if Diouf proves fruitless...
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Post by theduke on Aug 20, 2014 12:04:59 GMT
I think we seriously missed Wingie last week... so he'd have to be in my squad. With all the talk of Bojan and his anxiety etc, I'm actually quite surprised he was thrown straight in as a starter. I also think starting with both new starters was a mistake. Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters N'Zonzi Whelan Wingie Ireland Arnie Diouf I know Diouf looked lost at times on Saturday, but I think this was down to the tactics played by Villa, and our response (or lack of). For us to get the best out of him he needs game time, we can always bring Crouch in to the mix with half an hour to go if Diouf proves fruitless... First time on here!!! but think team above looks OK but would rather see GC ahead of Bardsley, think Ireland cant be that bad again and will be good pushing forward thru the middle. If it fails then Bojan will be solid replacement. We all know that everyone needs to step up from Saturdays misery!!
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Post by stoke111 on Aug 20, 2014 12:19:49 GMT
I reckon shotton could play the defensive midfield position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 15:48:39 GMT
He's better than Crouch? We're away from home so having somebody quicker than a bus with no wheels could be helpful? Hes better than crouch haha? Any facts to back this statement up as you definatley have no proof. Oh and no scoring 1 in 2 in the bundesliga doesnt count, pericard could get that many so you're now specifying which facts are actually facts as well jesus! can't wait till the school's go back, some of the shit on here recently is embarrassing beyond belief!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 15:50:13 GMT
why are people still debating whether to put Wingie in when Hughes has said he's not available?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 15:56:30 GMT
why are people still debating whether to put Wingie in when Hughes has said he's not available? because no one reads the replies lol......well obviously I do . I'd like to see Moses given a start at Hull given PO is not going to be playing
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