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Post by marwood on Aug 15, 2014 7:57:20 GMT
Massive difference between all the terminology, eg Gypsies, Romanies, Pikeys. Most people differentiate 'true' Romany Gypsies as different from the relatively modern breed of Irish itinerant tinkers and call only the latter 'Pikeys'. This term comes from them using turnpikes on ancient toll roads. The word Gypsy is a corruption of Egyptian, as the first ones to reach Western Europe had dark skin and were thought to have come across from Egypt (more likely to have been India). 'Pikey' is seen as an insult whereas the other words aren't so offensive. Possibly with the exception of 'gypo'. Historically, Pikey was more commonly used by Londoners and 'Gypo' in the North.
Personally I have had a lot of dealings with all types as I worked in the scrap business for many years, and its impossible to buy and sell /do house clearances/scrap metal for a living without dealing with all types of traveller at some stage. Truth be told, I had bad and good dealings with both types, but if im honest, more issues with the Irish travellers. A Romany guy used to come and buy from me every week and was what I would call a true gent. As someone else pointed out on this thread, you are only seeing one side of them if they come to your yard try and buy and sell from you - probably the better part, as they are on their best behaviour. The trouble is, every type of road traveller you meet, even the 'new age travellers' that sprung up in the 90s and wore cut off pyjamas and listened to the Levellers on a ghetto blaster, will swear blind that they are a 'true Romany Gypsy', even when its blindingly obvious that they are not.
Good and bad in all types, like most things
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2014 8:17:15 GMT
Ask some residents of Middlewich what they are like, people hounded out of their homes because they didn't want to sell their home to the scum, just because it had a bit of land which could take a few caravans, lives made a misery until they left. Then gypsies turning up at estate agents with enough cash in carrier bags to buy the houses, money that no doubt hasn't been the subject of tax and NI even though these people use the schools, roads, hospitals etc. that we all contribute to.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 15, 2014 9:32:10 GMT
Anyone exhibiting anti-social behaviour in this country should be subject to the laws that apply in terms of punishment. What disgusts me is the comments on here from some suggesting treatment no better than Nazi Germany. Yeah and........?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:38:41 GMT
Ask some residents of Middlewich what they are like, people hounded out of their homes because they didn't want to sell their home to the scum, just because it had a bit of land which could take a few caravans, lives made a misery until they left. Then gypsies turning up at estate agents with enough cash in carrier bags to buy the houses, money that no doubt hasn't been the subject of tax and NI even though these people use the schools, roads, hospitals etc. that we all contribute to. and if you asked the people of Middlewich then i'm sure they would no doubt back all that up. now, does that prove that 1) Those particular bunch of people were "Scum" or 2) Every single traveller, gypsy or "pikey" is scum and therefore can all be grouped together and tarred with the same brush and treated the same accordingly? or 3) Some people (no matter their race or socialogical grouping) of every section of society are arseholes and some are nice but all should be treated in accordance with the way THEY individually behave rather than because of the actions of some who have no connection with them other than the name of their social group? it's not hard, you're a grown adult with a functional brain and a rational thought process...your time starts now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:57:22 GMT
Ask some residents of Middlewich what they are like, people hounded out of their homes because they didn't want to sell their home to the scum, just because it had a bit of land which could take a few caravans, lives made a misery until they left. Then gypsies turning up at estate agents with enough cash in carrier bags to buy the houses, money that no doubt hasn't been the subject of tax and NI even though these people use the schools, roads, hospitals etc. that we all contribute to. and if you asked the people of Middlewich then i'm sure they would no doubt back all that up. now, does that prove that 1) Those particular bunch of people were "Scum" or 2) Every single traveller, gypsy or "pikey" is scum and therefore can all be grouped together and tarred with the same brush and treated the same accordingly....? or 3) Some people (no matter their race or socialogical grouping) of every section of society are arseholes and some are nice but all should be treated in accordance with the way THEY individually behave rather than because of the actions of some who have no connection with them other than the name of their social group? it's not hard, you're a grown adult with a functional brain and a rational thought process...your time starts now! I would say that to all three questions the case is proven and therefore for the purposes of this debate you'll have to try some other pedantic path to show that out of 10000 gypos there is the good one who resists the temptation to go shitting 'Al Fresco' , pays his council tax , is not cruel to his animals , does not fleece pensioners and a whole host of other offences that quickly spring to mind. I suppose the only way you can prove me wrong is to perhaps take the acid test and go and buy a caravan (or better still steal one ) and set up camp with them. If you come back with buttered hair , a dishrevelled appearance and a sore arse as a result of wiping your arse on grass , then it would be safe to drawn the conclusion that you yourself have crossed over the border into the world of 'scum'. By the way....would you like a few muzzled lurchers to start you off....?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:05:09 GMT
what i find bizarre is that if you group together all of the Asian community (even though they originate form different countries and backgrounds) and insult them as a collective then you're labelled as racist.... whereas apparently you can group all "Travellers", "Gypos" and "Pikeys" into one group (even though they originate from different countries and backgrounds) and insult them as a collective and that's just fine and dandy on here.
ignorant, narrow minded and racist just doesn't even come fucking close to some of the uneducated generalisations that have been seen in this thread!
"I've seen a few of them and they were wankers so therefore all of them are"
is the average age of posters on this thread about eighty fuckin five or something? they're the kind of comments you expect from beligerant old fuckers who think Jim Davidson was comedy gold and still believe that Jews are miserly and the Black and white minstrel show was just such a hoot!
embarrassing!
#backwardsthinkingoldbastardswhoneedtostartlivinginthe21stcentury!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:13:43 GMT
Let's try and stick to the shitting Al Fresco , theft , criminal damage , unpaid fines ,animal cruelty and non attendance in court for the time being , otherwise you may find that people will lose interest and think you're seeking to change tack.
I'm white too ...and once had a caravan , but I used the bogs provided , paid my taxes and have a clean CRB record....
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2014 12:31:46 GMT
Ask some residents of Middlewich what they are like, people hounded out of their homes because they didn't want to sell their home to the scum, just because it had a bit of land which could take a few caravans, lives made a misery until they left. Then gypsies turning up at estate agents with enough cash in carrier bags to buy the houses, money that no doubt hasn't been the subject of tax and NI even though these people use the schools, roads, hospitals etc. that we all contribute to. and if you asked the people of Middlewich then i'm sure they would no doubt back all that up. now, does that prove that 1) Those particular bunch of people were "Scum" or 2) Every single traveller, gypsy or "pikey" is scum and therefore can all be grouped together and tarred with the same brush and treated the same accordingly? or 3) Some people (no matter their race or socialogical grouping) of every section of society are arseholes and some are nice but all should be treated in accordance with the way THEY individually behave rather than because of the actions of some who have no connection with them other than the name of their social group? it's not hard, you're a grown adult with a functional brain and a rational thought process...your time starts now! If you read it it sounds like number 1, they didn't want to sell their house to the scum, I didn't say 'the whole race are scum' , and the gypsies came into the estate agents, I didn't say 'gypsies tramps and thieves' or 'asians etc. Just gypsies as that's what they were. I know the people who've had to deal with the people in tears as they are hounded out of the place they've lived for years, not nice for anybody, the police don't seem to be bothered with them Now go back to arguing with momo about Pulis
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:19:08 GMT
Let's try and stick to the shitting Al Fresco , theft , criminal damage , unpaid fines ,animal cruelty and non attendance in court for the time being , otherwise you may find that people will lose interest and think you're seeking to change tack. I'm white too ...and once had a caravan , but I used the bogs provided , paid my taxes and have a clean CRB record.... i've also met and known of people that didn't pay taxes, treated animals cruelly, have used the great outdoors as public lavatories, have not paid fines. they were all non-travelling, english born and bred, white folk. am i right in thinking i can therefore now presume that ALL non-travelling, english born and bred, white folk will act the same as well then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:21:54 GMT
and if you asked the people of Middlewich then i'm sure they would no doubt back all that up. now, does that prove that 1) Those particular bunch of people were "Scum" or 2) Every single traveller, gypsy or "pikey" is scum and therefore can all be grouped together and tarred with the same brush and treated the same accordingly? or 3) Some people (no matter their race or socialogical grouping) of every section of society are arseholes and some are nice but all should be treated in accordance with the way THEY individually behave rather than because of the actions of some who have no connection with them other than the name of their social group? it's not hard, you're a grown adult with a functional brain and a rational thought process...your time starts now! If you read it it sounds like number 1, they didn't want to sell their house to the scum, I didn't say 'the whole race are scum' , and the gypsies came into the estate agents, I didn't say 'gypsies tramps and thieves' or 'asians etc. Just gypsies as that's what they were. I know the people who've had to deal with the people in tears as they are hounded out of the place they've lived for years, not nice for anybody, the police don't seem to be bothered with them Now go back to arguing with momo about Pulis i have to admit that, to me, saying "Ask the people of Middlewich what THEY are like" on a thread talking about "Gypsy hordes" seems to be talking about the group as a whole rather than a bunch of individuals who happened to do them wrong. maybe you should try to word things more accurately and specify who you are talking about, otherwise you run the risk of coming across as someone who stereotypes and labels an entire people simply because of the actions of a few individuals
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:25:13 GMT
Where is ************** when you need him ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:33:12 GMT
Where is ************** when you need him ? Admin blocked his account as foam for some strange reason
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:33:52 GMT
All pikeys are scum ....all of them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:34:59 GMT
Where is ************** when you need him ? Admin blocked his account as foam for some strange reason Really ? I hadn't noticed that he'd posted anything untoward recently ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:43:11 GMT
Admin blocked his account as foam for some strange reason Really ? I hadn't noticed that he'd posted anything untoward recently ? Neither have I mate....I won't say in public my personal beliefs on why he's been blocked as I don't really want to get involved..unlike some on here..i can only guess why, but it seems very child like by admin to me Each to their own ....it's their ball and all that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:50:51 GMT
Really ? I hadn't noticed that he'd posted anything untoward recently ? Neither have I mate....I won't say in public my personal beliefs on why he's been blocked as I don't really want to get involved..unlike some on here..i can only guess why, but it seems very child like by admin to me Each to their own I guess so ......sad state of affairs
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 15, 2014 14:55:36 GMT
I can vouch for them being polite, all smiles and charming.....as long as you're saying yes Try saying no I have a mate....a dodgie mate, (bit of a Del Boy, not bad) who used to deal with them on a kind of regular basis visiting them over in Ireland He told me that on occasions people have gone in to their camp and never come out It very nearly happened to him He now has a scar from his temple to his throat through saying no to them At least he lived so they can't be so bad Was your mate a English gypsy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:57:25 GMT
I can vouch for them being polite, all smiles and charming.....as long as you're saying yes Try saying no I have a mate....a dodgie mate, (bit of a Del Boy, not bad) who used to deal with them on a kind of regular basis visiting them over in Ireland He told me that on occasions people have gone in to their camp and never come out It very nearly happened to him He now has a scar from his temple to his throat through saying no to them At least he lived so they can't be so bad Was your mate a English gypsy He does have long ear lobes come to think of it yes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 14:59:49 GMT
Really ? I hadn't noticed that he'd posted anything untoward recently ? Neither have I mate....I won't say in public my personal beliefs on why he's been blocked as I don't really want to get involved..unlike some on here..i can only guess why, but it seems very child like by admin to me Each to their own ....it's their ball and all that to be honest minnie, i thought it was bloody child like to ban him in the first place a few weeks back (and that's coming from me!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:09:38 GMT
Neither have I mate....I won't say in public my personal beliefs on why he's been blocked as I don't really want to get involved..unlike some on here..i can only guess why, but it seems very child like by admin to me Each to their own ....it's their ball and all that to be honest minnie, i thought it was bloody child like to ban him in the first place a few weeks back (and that's coming from me!) After viewing the events that have been transpiring on the Tony Pullis thread on the other board ...I think ************** can feel more than a little hard done by
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:11:54 GMT
Neither have I mate....I won't say in public my personal beliefs on why he's been blocked as I don't really want to get involved..unlike some on here..i can only guess why, but it seems very child like by admin to me Each to their own ....it's their ball and all that to be honest minnie, i thought it was bloody child like to ban him in the first place a few weeks back (and that's coming from me!) I don't want people to think me and ************** are/ were items because we are not....I just saw what happened over the Rob thing and thought the response to him was way ott You can read ************** in two different ways.....yes he can go too far with his persona thingy but it's pretty obvious he's not vicious poster really He's always apologised if he goes too far when spoken to calmly Robs deletion caused an ott response and this blocking of foam I can only guess is a personal thing by the "men" who own the ball
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:14:48 GMT
to be honest minnie, i thought it was bloody child like to ban him in the first place a few weeks back (and that's coming from me!) After viewing the events that have been transpiring on the Tony Pullis thread on the other board ...I think ************** can feel more than a little hard done by i agree bisp..... so far myself and other people been called imbecilic, a cunt and a twat by momo on over 30 occasions in the space of one thread. it's not what you know, it's which mods you happen to be mates with
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:18:19 GMT
to be honest minnie, i thought it was bloody child like to ban him in the first place a few weeks back (and that's coming from me!) I don't want people to think me and ************** are/ were items because we are not....I just saw what happened over the Rob thing and thought the response to him was way ott You can read ************** in two different ways.....yes he can go too far with his persona thingy but it's pretty obvious he's not vicious poster really He's always apologised if he goes too far when spoken to calmly Robs deletion caused an ott response and this blocking of foam I can only guess is a personal thing by the "men" who own the ball i agree... i think it was simply because he said i needed a fucking good kicking that it went too far for them. not for me at all, i saw it and pretty much straight away made a point of posting saying it didn't bother me in the slightest but i could see what was coming (the inevitable ban!) and didn't think it was necessary so wanted to get that out there just in case it could prevent a ban. fair enough if they want to be seen to be doing something about things like that so guests and spectators aren't put off joining, i can understand that but to block him now if he hasn't actually done anything simply because of who he is, is unwarranted IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:19:08 GMT
After viewing the events that have been transpiring on the Tony Pullis thread on the other board ...I think ************** can feel more than a little hard done by i agree bisp..... so far myself and other people been called imbecilic, a cunt and a twat by momo on over 30 occasions in the space of one thread. it's not what you know, it's which mods you happen to be mates with I've read it mate .......and I have to say it's pretty unacceptable as far as I am concerned , the same standards have to be applied to all surely ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:22:30 GMT
i agree bisp..... so far myself and other people been called imbecilic, a cunt and a twat by momo on over 30 occasions in the space of one thread. it's not what you know, it's which mods you happen to be mates with I've read it mate .......and I have to say it's pretty unacceptable as far as I am concerned , the same standards have to be applied to all surely ? i think as it's mostly momo that's doing the insulting (up until the last few minutes anyway ) and it's a Pulis thread then it's accepted simply because that's what he's like, we all know that and don't expect anything else and he hasn't threatened anyone. i still think it would put people off joining up if they saw it though...who knows, it seems like preferential treatment is given to those who've been here longer than others. having said all that, none of us know why "Foam" has been banned i suppose, he may have kicked off for all we know
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:29:08 GMT
I've read it mate .......and I have to say it's pretty unacceptable as far as I am concerned , the same standards have to be applied to all surely ? i think as it's mostly momo that's doing the insulting (up until the last few minutes anyway ) and it's a Pulis thread then it's accepted simply because that's what he's like, we all know that and don't expect anything else and he hasn't threatened anyone. i still think it would put people off joining up if they saw it though...who knows, it seems like preferential treatment is given to those who've been here longer than others. having said all that, none of us know why "Foam" has been banned i suppose, he may have kicked off for all we know Possibly so ......I can't see where he has done , but who knows ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:34:55 GMT
I don't want people to think me and ************** are/ were items because we are not....I just saw what happened over the Rob thing and thought the response to him was way ott You can read ************** in two different ways.....yes he can go too far with his persona thingy but it's pretty obvious he's not vicious poster really He's always apologised if he goes too far when spoken to calmly Robs deletion caused an ott response and this blocking of foam I can only guess is a personal thing by the "men" who own the ball i agree... i think it was simply because he said i needed a fucking good kicking that it went too far for them. not for me at all, i saw it and pretty much straight away made a point of posting saying it didn't bother me in the slightest but i could see what was coming (the inevitable ban!) and didn't think it was necessary so wanted to get that out there just in case it could prevent a ban. ]fair enough if they want to be seen to be doing something about things like that so guests and spectators aren't put off joining, i can understand that but to block him now if he hasn't actually done anything simply because of who he is, is unwarranted IMO. Totally Understandable ....he goes too far with some stuff in the belief you know it's said in a tongue in cheek way....he sometimes doesn't see that people on the fringes are in shock I don't know mick I haven't followed much of it all to be honest....I just know when Rob deleted it upset too many and in my opinion, in turn admin overreacted.....like I say it's their ball I thought it'd died down when he came back as foam .....he doesn't know why he's blocked
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:35:54 GMT
i agree bisp..... so far myself and other people been called imbecilic, a cunt and a twat by momo on over 30 occasions in the space of one thread. it's not what you know, it's which mods you happen to be mates with I've read it mate .......and I have to say it's pretty unacceptable as far as I am concerned , the same standards have to be applied to all surely ? Like the school yard on there bish
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:41:00 GMT
strange one then to be sure!
i for one never had any hard feelings towards the bloke (although i think he genuinely didn't like me but that's fine, his prerogative, no probs with that at all) because i see this board for what it is. i don't take things too seriously and would happily share a pint with anyone on here even if we were at loggerheads on certain threads. it's not real life and as soon as we all log off then i'm sure we all forget about what arguments we've had that day on the Oatcake.
threatening behaviour, yeah i can see that but otherwise i don't see the need unless someone PMs a mod specifically complaining about something that they haven't picked up on.
i know tat both myself and foster were banned for 3 days a couple of years back and neither had even argued with anyone on the board in the run up to our bans. i asked mods on several occasions as to why i'd been banned and all i got was "Oh it wasn't me so i'll check with the other mods" but no-one ever came back to me. i said at the time that unless you give someone a specific reason for their ban then they're leaving themselves completely open to accusations of favouritism and abuse of their position but nothing's really changed
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Post by digger on Aug 15, 2014 15:48:15 GMT
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