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Post by spitthedog on Aug 7, 2014 9:52:19 GMT
Nzonzi can be a very good player , but to put him in the same class as Hudson and Toure? I don`t think so. I didn't say he was as good as Hudson, but he is the best we have had since, and he would have worked well with Huddy in midfield ( in my dreams anyway!)
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Aug 7, 2014 10:01:43 GMT
Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 7, 2014 10:01:43 GMT
Just offer a new improved contract with conditions; 15M release clause. All happy. We really would see if anyone would pay that amount for what he thinks hes worth. Can't see many takers unless he starts to bag a lot of goals. But George, think about what you are saying, if we are valuing him at 15 million you then have to give him a contract and pay to match that no???? Negotiations, contracts, wages, offers, sell on clauses, agents, I'd guess buying and negotiating players wages is not an easy job in the owrld of football these days. Our wage structure doesn't match that of a player valued at 15 million.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2014 10:02:12 GMT
When N'zonzi was unhappy at Stoke under Pulis it was clear for everyone to see.
He stomped off the pitch at the end of games, he didn't get involved with teammates and generally cut a forlorn figure.
He didn't look unhappy last night, was in the thick of the goal celebrations, played with a swagger and generally looked as good as I have ever seen him.
N'zonzi didn't strike me as being unhappy yesterday and I think this whole thing with regard to yet another transfer request is something in nothing.
N'zonzi is a key player for us along with Begovic, Shawcross, Arnie and hopefully one of Diouf or Bojon. He is, without doubt, a fantastic footballer. If he were English, he would stroll into the England side (or maybe not with Hodgson in charge).
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 7, 2014 10:02:58 GMT
Another football player fellow Stokies simply fail to understand. He can be the best midfield player in the premier league full stop. Forget Toure - Forget Mata Et al - Steven Nzonzi has got the lot. It just about him being settled and applying consistent concentration and being coached correctlyDisaster if we lost him. Massive that Bojan has turned up - so many players games will blossom as a result - I predict a super season for our Steven provinding no one comes in and nicks him Except that Toure scores 15 a season from the same position compared to N'Zonzi's 2-3 then you're absolutely right.
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Aug 7, 2014 11:13:41 GMT
Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 7, 2014 11:13:41 GMT
Because on his day he's akin to a Yaya Toure, when he plays like that you wouldn't have him down as a midtable player. The fact he's not like that every game explains why he's not at a top 5 club. A great player for a club like us however. Kenwyne was akin to Drogba on his day. Unfortunately his day was once every 3 months. If N'Zonzi can stop sulking and get a run of decent games together we will struggle to keep him. The reason he hasn't gone anywhere is he sees himself as a top 5 club player. Unfortunately for him the top 5 clubs don't at the moment. H He could be if he stays with us!
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Aug 7, 2014 11:34:59 GMT
Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2014 11:34:59 GMT
Just offer a new improved contract with conditions; 15M release clause. All happy. We really would see if anyone would pay that amount for what he thinks hes worth. Can't see many takers unless he starts to bag a lot of goals. But George, think about what you are saying, if we are valuing him at 15 million you then have to give him a contract and pay to match that no???? Negotiations, contracts, wages, offers, sell on clauses, agents, I'd guess buying and negotiating players wages is not an easy job in the owrld of football these days. Our wage structure doesn't match that of a player valued at 15 million. But if, say, Liverpool or Arsenal came in for him and offered to double his salary then he is worth that money. How much were the likes of Lallana, Shaw and Chambers on last season before they moved for millions of pounds? Nottingham Forest have given Peterborough £5M for a striker who's played less than a hundred league games and has never set foot in the Premier League. Did his Peterborough salary reflect what Forest have paid for him? A bid of anything less than £15M for Stephen Nzonzi should be laughed out of court, and anywhere around that figure should see us tittering behind our hands.
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Aug 7, 2014 11:43:08 GMT
Post by rambob on Aug 7, 2014 11:43:08 GMT
I thought his dad was the one handing in transfer requests and all that while he was on holiday? He seemed happy enough when signing autographs after the match by the cars
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 7, 2014 11:47:23 GMT
Against City he was quality, that flick over Yaya's head was godly I want to say it was West Ham too where he bossed their entire team alone! Such a great player on his day and still worth a start when it's not! We are City Webbyy, half our songs are about a team called City, everytime we have a corner we shout for City, yet there is one teams fans that turn up at our gaff and arrogantly tell us "there's only one city" . The media act like they agree with them and as a result we have owners of other clubs called City who want to ditch their traditional name for stupid titles like Tigers. Now we have fans of a club called City calling another club City. It's the thin end of the wedge but you are not the only person who does it. Why are you pampering to the egos of these arrogant pricks? I bet you call their neighbours by only their second name too? Why don't we go the full hog and follow Hull's example and try and change our name? What do you think we should call ourselves? BM I disagree completely, I much prefer referring to the club by their first name as everyone does. You can't do that with Manchester because there are two. Calling them "City" or "United" is just a shortening in the same way as I'd say "Stoke" or "Newcastle". Why the frig should I be arsed about calling them by their full name when it's obvious who you're on about in Prem terms? The only other two clubs from and named for the same City who I can think of off the top of my head are the Sheffields (who I call "Wednesday" and "Blades" and the Bristols (and they never pop up in conversation enough for me to be arsed about using their full name). I know it's hardly a massive effort to say the full name but when they are largely recognised in their shortened form I don't get why people get so arsey about it.
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Aug 7, 2014 12:44:46 GMT
Post by BristolMick on Aug 7, 2014 12:44:46 GMT
We are City Webbyy, half our songs are about a team called City, everytime we have a corner we shout for City, yet there is one teams fans that turn up at our gaff and arrogantly tell us "there's only one city" . The media act like they agree with them and as a result we have owners of other clubs called City who want to ditch their traditional name for stupid titles like Tigers. Now we have fans of a club called City calling another club City. It's the thin end of the wedge but you are not the only person who does it. Why are you pampering to the egos of these arrogant pricks? I bet you call their neighbours by only their second name too? Why don't we go the full hog and follow Hull's example and try and change our name? What do you think we should call ourselves? BM I disagree completely, I much prefer referring to the club by their first name as everyone does. You can't do that with Manchester because there are two. Calling them "City" or "United" is just a shortening in the same way as I'd say "Stoke" or "Newcastle". Why the frig should I be arsed about calling them by their full name when it's obvious who you're on about in Prem terms? The only other two clubs from and named for the same City who I can think of off the top of my head are the Sheffields (who I call "Wednesday" and "Blades" and the Bristols (and they never pop up in conversation enough for me to be arsed about using their full name). I know it's hardly a massive effort to say the full name but when they are largely recognised in their shortened form I don't get why people get so arsey about it. Its no wonder the Mancs are so arrogant is it then when we have people like you from all over the country who refer to them as if its their local team, they are bang on in singing their song that there is only one city and the Hull chairman is right to want to try and change their name. In fact the rest of us called City or United should just know our place and drop the words from our names. What a load of bollox. In fact if you want to pay them the respect they pay us you would be better off calling both Manc teams "Manchester" as if we couldn't care less about them. They should mean as much to us as we do to them, and we should know as much about them as they know about us. We certainly shouldn't be pampering to their already over inflated egos! BM
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 7, 2014 12:49:05 GMT
I couldn't give a minge about paying them respect, I just can't be arsed writing out "Manchester City" every time I want to refer to them. Bloody inferiority complex or what mate? You act like it's some massive conspiracy theory.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 7, 2014 13:51:18 GMT
He always has been a brilliant player. Never understood how some posters were so keen to 'get rid' whenever there was the slightest run of poor form.
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Nzonzi
Aug 7, 2014 18:02:15 GMT
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 7, 2014 18:02:15 GMT
Why would anyone want to replace him? He's just too good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2014 18:04:55 GMT
He needs a new contract asap.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 7, 2014 19:02:42 GMT
He needs a new contract asap. I think if the current "situation" with NZonzi is resolved it will mean a new contract. He's certainly a better player than when we signed him so he is probably worth more money - so long as that is within our budget. If he won't accept a new deal within our budget then we'll have to move him on. That is better than letting his contract run down.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 7, 2014 19:17:43 GMT
We should pull out all the stops to keep and build a team around nzonzi. He seems happier than he's ever been with the better players at the club. We'd be lost without his composure and challenges in the middle of the pitch. , bego, Shawcross, nzonzi, dioufis a fantastic spine to a team. Add arnie and bojan to that and things start to get exciting.
I hope to see him and Sidwell play together this year. That stambouli would be even better! Give nzonzi the licence to push on as Whelan has seemed a bit walkabout the last few games.
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Aug 7, 2014 19:22:39 GMT
Post by lordb on Aug 7, 2014 19:22:39 GMT
I couldn't give a minge about paying them respect, I just can't be arsed writing out "Manchester City" every time I want to refer to them. Bloody inferiority complex or what mate? You act like it's some massive conspiracy theory. How about Man C or Citeh? Not much typing there.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 7, 2014 19:30:59 GMT
I couldn't give a minge about paying them respect, I just can't be arsed writing out "Manchester City" every time I want to refer to them. Bloody inferiority complex or what mate? You act like it's some massive conspiracy theory. Well call them "Man City" when you write about them then. That is the same number of letters and spaces as "West Ham" whose name you wrote in full in your first post on the thread. If you can't be arsed to write the full names, why call West Ham by their full name and not Man City? Surely "Ham" would be sufficient?
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Aug 7, 2014 19:37:50 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 7, 2014 19:37:50 GMT
He needs a new contract asap. How long has he got on his current one? 1 or 2 years?
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Aug 7, 2014 19:43:38 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 7, 2014 19:43:38 GMT
Against City he was quality, that flick over Yaya's head was godly I want to say it was West Ham too where he bossed their entire team alone! Such a great player on his day and still worth a start when it's not!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 19:46:34 GMT
Against City he was quality, that flick over Yaya's head was godly I want to say it was West Ham too where he bossed their entire team alone! Such a great player on his day and still worth a start when it's not! It's been pulled up 3 times now in this thread, I maintain that there's only one Yaya that plays for a club with 'city' in it's name! Atleast one that N'Zonzi did the little flick against. I referred to them as city once, I'd do it again. It's all about context as far as I'm concerned and you all knew who I was on about it's just stupid pedantics
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Aug 7, 2014 20:38:18 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2014 20:38:18 GMT
He needs a new contract asap. How long has he got on his current one? 1 or 2 years? Pretty sure it's 2.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:45:25 GMT
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 7, 2014 20:45:25 GMT
He is absolutely vital for us imo and the club must pull out all the stops to keep him.
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Aug 8, 2014 13:11:12 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 8, 2014 13:11:12 GMT
Another football player fellow Stokies simply fail to understand. He can be the best midfield player in the premier league full stop. Forget Toure - Forget Mata Et al - Steven Nzonzi has got the lot. It just about him being settled and applying consistent concentration and being coached correctlyDisaster if we lost him. Massive that Bojan has turned up - so many players games will blossom as a result - I predict a super season for our Steven provinding no one comes in and nicks him Except that Toure scores 15 a season from the same position compared to N'Zonzi's 2-3 then you're absolutely right. true but how many would zonz score if he played for citeh ? ...
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Aug 8, 2014 13:30:05 GMT
Post by jeycov on Aug 8, 2014 13:30:05 GMT
Except that Toure scores 15 a season from the same position compared to N'Zonzi's 2-3 then you're absolutely right. true but how many would zonz score if he played for citeh ? ... Doubt he would be in their starting 11, so no contest there
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Aug 8, 2014 13:30:55 GMT
Post by nott1 on Aug 8, 2014 13:30:55 GMT
When N'zonzi was unhappy at Stoke under Pulis it was clear for everyone to see. He stomped off the pitch at the end of games, he didn't get involved with teammates and generally cut a forlorn figure. He didn't look unhappy last night, was in the thick of the goal celebrations, played with a swagger and generally looked as good as I have ever seen him. N'zonzi didn't strike me as being unhappy yesterday and I think this whole thing with regard to yet another transfer request is something in nothing. N'zonzi is a key player for us along with Begovic, Shawcross, Arnie and hopefully one of Diouf or Bojon. He is, without doubt, a fantastic footballer. If he were English, he would stroll into the England side (or maybe not with Hodgson in charge). N'Zonzi is happy at Stoke but his stupid father isn't.
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Aug 8, 2014 13:34:44 GMT
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Post by stokiemarc on Aug 8, 2014 13:34:44 GMT
I'm still amazed that Arsenal haven't tried to sign him to fill that Vieira/Song role that they have never really filled.
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Aug 9, 2014 17:00:18 GMT
Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 9, 2014 17:00:18 GMT
But George, think about what you are saying, if we are valuing him at 15 million you then have to give him a contract and pay to match that no???? Negotiations, contracts, wages, offers, sell on clauses, agents, I'd guess buying and negotiating players wages is not an easy job in the owrld of football these days. Our wage structure doesn't match that of a player valued at 15 million. But if, say, Liverpool or Arsenal came in for him and offered to double his salary then he is worth that money. How much were the likes of Lallana, Shaw and Chambers on last season before they moved for millions of pounds? Nottingham Forest have given Peterborough £5M for a striker who's played less than a hundred league games and has never set foot in the Premier League. Did his Peterborough salary reflect what Forest have paid for him? A bid of anything less than £15M for Stephen Nzonzi should be laughed out of court, and anywhere around that figure should see us tittering behind our hands. Yes Dave you're quite right but maybe you've missed my point. The OP's suggestion was putting a release clause in to the contract of 15m. If we're valuing him at that level clearly his agent will be wanting a salary in line with that figure. We're all ready to criticise the execs who negotiate the contracts but clearly not an easy job with agents etc, especially when it's the players father who seems to be a pain in the aris! Lets hope however that he's happy to stay and accept a sensible contract extension.
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