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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 31, 2014 21:22:50 GMT
I think we're going away from the original topic. Rather than a GMP bashing thread shouldn't it be about how a young man who should be heading into a bright future in the game is throwing his career away because he's acting like a thug. Something that he's got previous for and something that his chairmen foolishly backed him over his manager on.
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Post by hammered on Jul 31, 2014 21:33:46 GMT
I think we're going away from the original topic. Rather than a GMP bashing thread shouldn't it be about how a young man who should be heading into a bright future in the game is throwing his career away because he's acting like a thug. Something that he's got previous for and something that his chairmen foolishly backed him over his manager on. Both sides are right - West Ham's owners for wanting to maximise the potential of their investment v The manager not seeing the required application and dedication of his talent etc.. Factor in this latest (alleged) incident - and opinions polarise. I honestly haven't a clue what West Ham will do with him now? An undoubted talent - but a circus of mayhem. - More risk than it's worth?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 21:36:57 GMT
I think we're going away from the original topic. Rather than a GMP bashing thread shouldn't it be about how a young man who should be heading into a bright future in the game is throwing his career away because he's acting like a thug. Something that he's got previous for and something that his chairmen foolishly backed him over his manager on. Both sides are right - West Ham's owners for wanting to maximise the potential of their investment v The manager not seeing the required application and dedication of his talent etc.. Factor in this latest (alleged) incident - and opinions polarise. I honestly haven't a clue what West Ham will do with him now? An undoubted talent - but a circus of mayhem. - More risk than it's worth? You are way to reasonable for this thread !
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 21:40:13 GMT
Thank you for your insightful observation BM. I suspect that after 24 years I have a great deal more experience than you about the GMP. I know precisely what they "think" or "believe" Ravel Morrison to have been guilty of in his youth, But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail view of the world. It musty be wonderful to be so untouched by reality. I genuinely hope that you never have cause to appreciate how misplaced your confidence in the system is! The system works in a generalised way, but it would appear that from your professionally formed opinion you believe the system as a whole is corrupt. That may be the case in certain areas, what I disagree with is that you are implying that the GMP as a whole are corrupt and are on an agenda against certain groups. There must have been enough evidence for the CPS to believe a conviction is possible and they may well have genuine reasons for remand. Until the facts are out I think all anyone can do is speculate. On a personal note I think he's an utter cunt for throwing away a career any young lad would kill for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I didn't intend to suggest that the GMP were corrupt and I'm sorry if it came across that way. The area that I was trying to comment upon, albeit obliquely, was the Gang Division, which has a particular Divisional name. I am not suggesting that Ravel Morrison is Not Guilty, I haven't got a clue. What I am saying is that to be refused bail for such minor offences is rare in the extreme. Ordinarily, the Police would usually not even remand someone into custody for such offences, which would mean that a Bail Application would not even be necessary. The right to bail remains for such offences, in spite of its erosion in other areas by successive Governments. Bail can only be refused if there are "substantial grounds for believing that the defendant will" A) Fail to Surrender to Custody - How? He is a known and highly regarded Premier League footballer B) Commit further offences on bail - Even if he did as a kid, it's the first accusation for quite a while C) Interfere with the Course of Justice - I have no idea whether he has done this before (But see below) D) For his own safety - Hardly; not this case. Even if the Court has concerns about any of the above, it can only remand a defendant into custody if it believes that the imposition of Bail Conditions couldn't deal with any perceived risk. As I said earlier, even if he does have a conviction for Witness Intimidation; how on earth can the risk of repetition not be dealt with by conditions that he lives in London, doesn't travel to Manchester and has no contact with any Prosecution Witness? I appreciate that the gangs of Manchester pose a particular problem for the police, but the answer to that is not to ignore the Rule of Law, which maybe convenient in the short term and by the tone of this thread, many would be happy with. To do so is a very significant step on a very slippery slope. I appreciate that my view is plainly in the minority and sadly, it tends to remain so until one of the "hang em high" Daily Mail readers sons is charged, following a minor accident with "Causing Death by Dangerous Driving" or when they witnessed a savage assault by being charged with a joint enterprise Murder. Its amazing how people change their views of both the Police and lawyers when it happens to them. I don't do my job to be popular with the majority, had I wanted to be so I would have become a Doctor! But I am continually surprised by the lack of understanding of what actually happens in the Courts and to those charged with Criminal Offences. On a happier note, I have no doubt that many of the doubters would be more reasonable if they ever sat on a jury in a serious case.
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 21:47:58 GMT
Thank you for your insightful observation BM. I suspect that after 24 years I have a great deal more experience than you about the GMP. I know precisely what they "think" or "believe" Ravel Morrison to have been guilty of in his youth, But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail view of the world. It must be wonderful to be so untouched by reality. I genuinely hope that you never have cause to appreciate how misplaced your confidence in the system is! I am also hugely amused by your understanding of what happens in a Magistrates Court?? The particular advantage of being a proper lawyer is that I no longer have to appear there. Arguing law in that Forum is akin to nailing blamange to a passing bus! But please don't let that stop you abusing me; I am sure that you are a notable Qc! You've obviously been out of the game and on the pop too long mate. A proper lawyer my arse or you'd have at least a little insight and perspective instead of your paranoid froth. I know the system inside out and your claims are Ill informed and embarrassing. Daily Mail? I almost spat my Rioja. Did I say daft? Yes you did BM, but unlike you I don't need to descend to insults. Please enlighten us all as to how you know the system inside out? And for the record, even though I am not going to post my CV on this Forum, I am currently defending in eight Murder Trials, so perhaps I haven't been out of the game or on the pop for too long? But don't let that affect your prejudice against someone with whom you disagree. Please tell us: Are you in the Police; do you work for the CPS, or do you work in the Magistrates or Crown Court?
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 31, 2014 21:50:37 GMT
The system works in a generalised way, but it would appear that from your professionally formed opinion you believe the system as a whole is corrupt. That may be the case in certain areas, what I disagree with is that you are implying that the GMP as a whole are corrupt and are on an agenda against certain groups. There must have been enough evidence for the CPS to believe a conviction is possible and they may well have genuine reasons for remand. Until the facts are out I think all anyone can do is speculate. On a personal note I think he's an utter cunt for throwing away a career any young lad would kill for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I didn't intend to suggest that the GMP were corrupt and I'm sorry if it came across that way. The area that I was trying to comment upon, albeit obliquely, was the Gang Division, which has a particular Divisional name. I am not suggesting that Ravel Morrison is Not Guilty, I haven't got a clue. What I am saying is that to be refused bail for such minor offences is rare in the extreme. Ordinarily, the Police would usually not even remand someone into custody for such offences, which would mean that a Bail Application would not even be necessary. The right to bail remains for such offences, in spite of its erosion in other areas by successive Governments. Bail can only be refused if there are "substantial grounds for believing that the defendant will" A) Fail to Surrender to Custody - How? He is a known and highly regarded Premier League footballer B) Commit further offences on bail - Even if he did as a kid, it's the first accusation for quite a while C) Interfere with the Course of Justice - I have no idea whether he has done this before (But see below) D) For his own safety - Hardly; not this case. Even if the Court has concerns about any of the above, it can only remand a defendant into custody if it believes that the imposition of Bail Conditions couldn't deal with any perceived risk. As I said earlier, even if he does have a conviction for Witness Intimidation; how on earth can the risk of repetition not be dealt with by conditions that he lives in London, doesn't travel to Manchester and has no contact with any Prosecution Witness? I appreciate that the gangs of Manchester pose a particular problem for the police, but the answer to that is not to ignore the Rule of Law, which maybe convenient in the short term and by the tone of this thread, many would be happy with. To do so is a very significant step on a very slippery slope. I appreciate that my view is plainly in the minority and sadly, it tends to remain so until one of the "hang em high" Daily Mail readers sons is charged, following a minor accident with "Causing Death by Dangerous Driving" or when they witnessed a savage assault by being charged with a joint enterprise Murder. Its amazing how people change their views of both the Police and lawyers when it happens to them. I don't do my job to be popular with the majority, had I wanted to be so I would have become a Doctor! But I am continually surprised by the lack of understanding of what actually happens in the Courts and to those charged with Criminal Offences. On a happier note, I have no doubt that many of the doubters would be more reasonable if they ever sat on a jury in a serious case. Now you are just coming across as a condescending, look at me pisshead. For someone who keeps admitting he knows nothing of the context of this case / remand into custody, you don't half keep spouting shit. Assaulting two women may be minor offences in your world but hey, this is 2014. A word of advice, if you want to get people interested in the injustices and inequities of the criminal justice system then Mr Morrison is probably not the case to hang your hat on. Weirdo.
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 31, 2014 21:53:13 GMT
You've obviously been out of the game and on the pop too long mate. A proper lawyer my arse or you'd have at least a little insight and perspective instead of your paranoid froth. I know the system inside out and your claims are Ill informed and embarrassing. Daily Mail? I almost spat my Rioja. Did I say daft? Yes you did BM, but unlike you I don't need to descend to insults. Please enlighten us all how you know the system inside out? And for the record, even though I am not going to post my CV on this Forum, I am currently defending in eight Murder Trials, so perhaps I haven't been out of the game or on the pop for too long? But don't let that affect your prejudice. Jesus Christ, no wonder the Criminal Justice System is fucked. So you throwing the Daily Mail reader line was meant as a compliment then? Go to bed, sleep it off and hopefully you'll be fit for your shift at Primark tomorrow.
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 22:01:52 GMT
Yes you did BM, but unlike you I don't need to descend to insults. Please enlighten us all how you know the system inside out? And for the record, even though I am not going to post my CV on this Forum, I am currently defending in eight Murder Trials, so perhaps I haven't been out of the game or on the pop for too long? But don't let that affect your prejudice. Jesus Christ, no wonder the Criminal Justice System is fucked. So you throwing the Daily Mail reader line was meant as a compliment then? Go to bed, sleep it off and hopefully you'll be fit for your shift at Primark tomorrow. Thank you for your continued abuse and your answering my polite enquiry as to your knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and more particularly the GMP Gang Crime Unit. Not! I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. I remain however quite sad that you can offer such abuse to someone whose only initial observation was how unusual it was for someone to be remanded into custody for such offences as Ravel Morrison has been charged with. Still, you obviously understand it far better than the rest of us. I never appreciated that we had High Court Judges on this Forum.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 31, 2014 22:34:27 GMT
Jesus Christ, no wonder the Criminal Justice System is fucked. So you throwing the Daily Mail reader line was meant as a compliment then? Go to bed, sleep it off and hopefully you'll be fit for your shift at Primark tomorrow. Thank you for your continued abuse and your answering my polite enquiry as to your knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and more particularly the GMP Gang Crime Unit. Not! I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. I remain however quite sad that you can offer such abuse to someone whose only initial observation was how unusual it was for someone to be remanded into custody for such offences as Ravel Morrison has been charged with. Still, you obviously understand it far better than the rest of us. I never appreciated that we had High Court Judges on this Forum. High Court Judges on this Forum !! are you kidding?? Every other poster is a High Court Judge mate don't worry about that. What was it you said; "Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not." - Hear hear! Don't get me wrong, if I think the police should be called I'll call them because it says I can on my council tax statement but trusting them 100% to be neutral, fair and honest... nah. Although wouldn't it have been the Magistrate at the Magistrates Court who decided bail was to be refused?? Do you think the Police 'pushed' the Magistrate not to grant bail? Anyway, enough of your sensible posts here's the real thing; [Appearing in court] Morrison wearing a white t-shirt and white jogging bottoms" - GUILTY!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 22:41:31 GMT
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 22:48:16 GMT
Thank you for your continued abuse and your answering my polite enquiry as to your knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and more particularly the GMP Gang Crime Unit. Not! I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. I remain however quite sad that you can offer such abuse to someone whose only initial observation was how unusual it was for someone to be remanded into custody for such offences as Ravel Morrison has been charged with. Still, you obviously understand it far better than the rest of us. I never appreciated that we had High Court Judges on this Forum. High Court Judges on this Forum !! are you kidding?? Every other poster is a High Court Judge mate don't worry about that. What was it you said; "Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not." - Hear hear! Don't get me wrong, if I think the police should be called I'll call them because it says I can on my council tax statement but trusting them 100% to be neutral, fair and honest... nah. Although wouldn't it have been the Magistrate at the Magistrates Court who decided bail was to be refused?? Do you think the Police 'pushed' the Magistrate not to grant bail? Anyway, enough of your sensible posts here's the real thing; [Appearing in court] Morrison wearing a white t-shirt and white jogging bottoms" - GUILTY!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 22:50:32 GMT
The system works in a generalised way, but it would appear that from your professionally formed opinion you believe the system as a whole is corrupt. That may be the case in certain areas, what I disagree with is that you are implying that the GMP as a whole are corrupt and are on an agenda against certain groups. There must have been enough evidence for the CPS to believe a conviction is possible and they may well have genuine reasons for remand. Until the facts are out I think all anyone can do is speculate. On a personal note I think he's an utter cunt for throwing away a career any young lad would kill for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I didn't intend to suggest that the GMP were corrupt and I'm sorry if it came across that way. The area that I was trying to comment upon, albeit obliquely, was the Gang Division, which has a particular Divisional name. I am not suggesting that Ravel Morrison is Not Guilty, I haven't got a clue. What I am saying is that to be refused bail for such minor offences is rare in the extreme. Ordinarily, the Police would usually not even remand someone into custody for such offences, which would mean that a Bail Application would not even be necessary. The right to bail remains for such offences, in spite of its erosion in other areas by successive Governments. Bail can only be refused if there are "substantial grounds for believing that the defendant will" A) Fail to Surrender to Custody - How? He is a known and highly regarded Premier League footballer B) Commit further offences on bail - Even if he did as a kid, it's the first accusation for quite a while C) Interfere with the Course of Justice - I have no idea whether he has done this before (But see below) D) For his own safety - Hardly; not this case. Even if the Court has concerns about any of the above, it can only remand a defendant into custody if it believes that the imposition of Bail Conditions couldn't deal with any perceived risk. As I said earlier, even if he does have a conviction for Witness Intimidation; how on earth can the risk of repetition not be dealt with by conditions that he lives in London, doesn't travel to Manchester and has no contact with any Prosecution Witness? I appreciate that the gangs of Manchester pose a particular problem for the police, but the answer to that is not to ignore the Rule of Law, which maybe convenient in the short term and by the tone of this thread, many would be happy with. To do so is a very significant step on a very slippery slope. I appreciate that my view is plainly in the minority and sadly, it tends to remain so until one of the "hang em high" Daily Mail readers sons is charged, following a minor accident with "Causing Death by Dangerous Driving" or when they witnessed a savage assault by being charged with a joint enterprise Murder. Its amazing how people change their views of both the Police and lawyers when it happens to them. I don't do my job to be popular with the majority, had I wanted to be so I would have become a Doctor! But I am continually surprised by the lack of understanding of what actually happens in the Courts and to those charged with Criminal Offences. On a happier note, I have no doubt that many of the doubters would be more reasonable if they ever sat on a jury in a serious case. So you're a lawyer? Probably got the wrong end of the stick but any chance to poo poo lawyers can't be passed. EDIT-I've read on and I haven't. Yeah I don't like lawyers, sorry!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 31, 2014 22:55:38 GMT
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 22:55:49 GMT
I didn't intend to suggest that the GMP were corrupt and I'm sorry if it came across that way. The area that I was trying to comment upon, albeit obliquely, was the Gang Division, which has a particular Divisional name. I am not suggesting that Ravel Morrison is Not Guilty, I haven't got a clue. What I am saying is that to be refused bail for such minor offences is rare in the extreme. Ordinarily, the Police would usually not even remand someone into custody for such offences, which would mean that a Bail Application would not even be necessary. The right to bail remains for such offences, in spite of its erosion in other areas by successive Governments. Bail can only be refused if there are "substantial grounds for believing that the defendant will" A) Fail to Surrender to Custody - How? He is a known and highly regarded Premier League footballer B) Commit further offences on bail - Even if he did as a kid, it's the first accusation for quite a while C) Interfere with the Course of Justice - I have no idea whether he has done this before (But see below) D) For his own safety - Hardly; not this case. Even if the Court has concerns about any of the above, it can only remand a defendant into custody if it believes that the imposition of Bail Conditions couldn't deal with any perceived risk. As I said earlier, even if he does have a conviction for Witness Intimidation; how on earth can the risk of repetition not be dealt with by conditions that he lives in London, doesn't travel to Manchester and has no contact with any Prosecution Witness? I appreciate that the gangs of Manchester pose a particular problem for the police, but the answer to that is not to ignore the Rule of Law, which maybe convenient in the short term and by the tone of this thread, many would be happy with. To do so is a very significant step on a very slippery slope. I appreciate that my view is plainly in the minority and sadly, it tends to remain so until one of the "hang em high" Daily Mail readers sons is charged, following a minor accident with "Causing Death by Dangerous Driving" or when they witnessed a savage assault by being charged with a joint enterprise Murder. Its amazing how people change their views of both the Police and lawyers when it happens to them. I don't do my job to be popular with the majority, had I wanted to be so I would have become a Doctor! But I am continually surprised by the lack of understanding of what actually happens in the Courts and to those charged with Criminal Offences. On a happier note, I have no doubt that many of the doubters would be more reasonable if they ever sat on a jury in a serious case. So you're a lawyer? Probably got the wrong end of the stick but any chance to poo poo lawyers can't be passed. EDIT-I've read on and I haven't. Yeah I don't like lawyers, sorry! No need to apologise Bayern and no reason that you should! I genuinely hope that you never need one :-) And I'm not including conveyancing lawyers in that!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 22:57:04 GMT
"He's an Arsenal fan". Lets be honest, he's lucky capital punishment was abolished.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 22:59:32 GMT
So you're a lawyer? Probably got the wrong end of the stick but any chance to poo poo lawyers can't be passed. EDIT-I've read on and I haven't. Yeah I don't like lawyers, sorry! No need to apologise Bayern and no reason that you should! I genuinely hope that you never need one :-) And I'm not including conveyancing lawyers in that!! Now property law annoys me. There is absolutely no need for lawyers in that whole process as far as I can see. Con artists.
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 23:03:09 GMT
No need to apologise Bayern and no reason that you should! I genuinely hope that you never need one :-) And I'm not including conveyancing lawyers in that!! Now property law annoys me. There is absolutely no need for lawyers in that whole process as far as I can see. Con artists. I wouldn't disagree with that Bayern!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 23:06:06 GMT
Now property law annoys me. There is absolutely no need for lawyers in that whole process as far as I can see. Con artists. I wouldn't disagree with that Bayern! And what really fucks me off is that the reports they get, are no doubt just sitting in the council offices and they just have to e-mail them to get the correct report. And then get paid a bastard fortune for the privilege. Those reports are something I could do given half the chance, I could even make my own maps for them.....
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 23:14:14 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that Bayern! And what really fucks me off is that the reports they get, are no doubt just sitting in the council offices and they just have to e-mail them to get the correct report. And then get paid a bastard fortune for the privilege. Those reports are something I could do given half the chance, I could even make my own maps for them..... I never studied conveyancing Bayern, I'm not a solicitor, but I'm inclined to agree with you. I really don't have a problem with the general dislike of lawyers, nobody thinks that we do anything worthwhile until they need one. And I have to confess that my idealistic view of the profession when I joined; namely the individual against the State, was probably ill conceived. However, the occasional case, when you actually feel that you have or might have made a difference is sufficient reward.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 31, 2014 23:25:49 GMT
Madasasnake: I hope you realise that my "guilty" exclamation on the Mail article was tongue in cheek I've a good friend from Longsight who despite a very creditable career in the Marines and being a submariner (10 years) still has the odd brush with over zealous Police when he's back home because his old mates are known to the GMP. Is your opinion of Magistrates gained from observation? If so, you're spot on. In my experience they are the epitome of "hang 'em high" " Mail readers".
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2014 23:42:43 GMT
Jesus Christ, no wonder the Criminal Justice System is fucked. So you throwing the Daily Mail reader line was meant as a compliment then? Go to bed, sleep it off and hopefully you'll be fit for your shift at Primark tomorrow. I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. Did he do it? This fella you are defending. Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 23:44:15 GMT
If you read about Morrison's involvement in witness intimidation previously then I'd be very surprised if you can't even slightly see the point of view that he should be refused bale.
Whether or not this incident is 'minor', the witness intimidation he was involved in was particularly nasty.
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 1, 2014 4:50:23 GMT
So he's an angel who doesn't hang around with scum then? I didn't say that Bayern. I just happen to believe that, as the law dictates funnily enough, that even if he does, it is no reason for him to be remanded into custody! I imagine, as I said earlier, unless he has a string of convictions for offending on bail or for intimidating witnesses, a Crown Court Judge will let him out next week. Will one conviction for intimidating witnesses do? Because thats exactly what he has, and he did it whilst he was at Man United. I watched him a couple of times as a kid, he was head and shoulders above the rest. Such a waste.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 1, 2014 5:37:28 GMT
What a 'man' hey assaulting a woman.... Bully more like....just put him in the ring with chugga for a couple of minutes...... One word for him.....TWAT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 1, 2014 6:10:15 GMT
What a 'man' hey assaulting a woman.... Bully more like....just put him in the ring with chugga for a couple of minutes...... One word for him.....TWAT Blimey - he's been found guilty of assaulting a woman! Just shows you really have to concentrate these days or stuff just passes you by. Thanks for bringing the trial result to our attention Dutch. What was the sentence?
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Post by bassmaster on Aug 1, 2014 6:16:01 GMT
Jesus Christ, no wonder the Criminal Justice System is fucked. So you throwing the Daily Mail reader line was meant as a compliment then? Go to bed, sleep it off and hopefully you'll be fit for your shift at Primark tomorrow. Thank you for your continued abuse and your answering my polite enquiry as to your knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and more particularly the GMP Gang Crime Unit. Not! I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. I remain however quite sad that you can offer such abuse to someone whose only initial observation was how unusual it was for someone to be remanded into custody for such offences as Ravel Morrison has been charged with. Still, you obviously understand it far better than the rest of us. I never appreciated that we had High Court Judges on this Forum. If you are as articulate and coherent in your defence of your 'murder' suspect as you are on here, let's just hope they are guilty and deserve 20 because they are doomed. It's not often you get such paranoid, misdirected crap on here but I've enjoyed it. Thanks.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 1, 2014 6:21:41 GMT
Their agenda is keeping a dangerous thug off the streets isn't it? Good on 'em. I'd guess going off his history of gangs it's to stop/limit harassment. I don't, I like seeing little scrotes being treated like the shit they are. The trouble is a lot of police treat everyone as shit. It's also a shame that they didn't take such an interest in Jimmy Saville, mate. I agree with you that Morrison sounds a complete twat, though!
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Aug 1, 2014 6:23:09 GMT
I have nothing to sleep off; I have to be up at 5:30 to head north to defend someone for Murder. Did he do it? This fella you are defending. Just curious. He doesn't give a shit so long as he makes his £££ getting him off I'm sure.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 1, 2014 6:48:40 GMT
What a 'man' hey assaulting a woman.... Bully more like....just put him in the ring with chugga for a couple of minutes...... One word for him.....TWAT Blimey - he's been found guilty of assaulting a woman! Just shows you really have to concentrate these days or stuff just passes you by. Thanks for bringing the trial result to our attention Dutch. What was the sentence? No problem LP - glad to be of service The sentence......? Well in my world he'd be birched but in the bed wetting lefties state they call the UK he will get counselling because hes had a 'mis-guided youth' I refer the right honourable Lakeland Potter to the answer I made some moments before..... Hes a TWAT !
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Post by Godo on Aug 1, 2014 7:58:28 GMT
In any proper profession this sort of behaviour would result in instant dismissal and being struck off. I know a dedicated and skillful person in the medical profession who had some thick chav qunt get out of car and mouth off at him and and when he decked the pathetic prick he lost his career. But these stupid vile little wankers get away with it. Footballers contracts should have standards of behaviour included in them and a clause that says that if they commit this sort of act they forfeit signing on fees, future wages and can't be re-employed by spivs like the owners of West Ham.
As for "madasasnake" - yes let's forget the rights of women not to be assaulted, including a middle aged lady presumably trying to protect her daughter, and concentrate on the well being of the cowardly, moron, millionaires shall we? Fucking pathetic! If it was my daughter Morrison and any apologists for him would need to stay safely tucked away in custody!
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