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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2014 11:44:27 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 31, 2014 11:47:46 GMT
Absolute cunt of a bloke, gifted with a rare talent. Such a shame it looks like he's not going to grow up, because he's got all the attributes to be a top player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:49:58 GMT
i bet Big Sam is rubbing his hands in glee and taking to twitter as we speak....
#toldyousoyoupairoftwats
"Oops Sorry Messrs. Gold and Sullivan, my hand slipped on twitter"
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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2014 11:53:21 GMT
i bet Big Sam is rubbing his hands in glee and taking to twitter as we speak.... #toldyousoyoupairoftwats "Oops Sorry Messrs. Gold and Sullivan, my hand slipped on twitter" :-)
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Post by coates on Jul 31, 2014 11:56:13 GMT
another reason why most footballers are not role models, to busy assaulting women or dj's.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2014 11:56:20 GMT
Is a fantastic talent, but obviously a troublemaker of the biggest order as well! Easy to see why Big Sam wants to get rid, but of course the WH owners are of another opinion! I think I agree with Sam on this one!
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jul 31, 2014 12:17:32 GMT
He's in custody until August 7th.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 31, 2014 14:43:08 GMT
Ferguson said he was the most talented youngster he had ever seen. I think we all know why he got rid of him...
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Post by nott1 on Jul 31, 2014 17:02:39 GMT
Is that what you call knocking a bird off?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 31, 2014 17:45:05 GMT
Is that what you call knocking a bird off? Swap 'off' for 'out' and i think have it spot on
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 18:08:52 GMT
Ferguson said he was the most talented youngster he had ever seen. I think we all know why he got rid of him... It is exactly why Ferguson got rid of him. I had hoped for his sake that moving away from Longsight and his associates might have enabled him to put his past behind him. It is very unusual to have been refused bail on two common assaults! I suspect that the objections from the Prosecution come from the Manchester Police who, knowing him and his associates, will have taken great pleasure in so doing. They have very little regard for justice where Longsight is concerned. I cannot believe that the bail decision will stand when the case goes before a Crown Court Judge, who might hopefully be a little less inclined to bow to the will of the Police. Even if he was in trouble as a youngster, which he must have been to be in custody on such minor charges, I fail to see, given that he is a Premier League footballer, how any of the exceptions to the Right to Bail could be made out? The only possible realistic objection could have been that he would interfere with the course of justice, given that the alleged complainant was his ex-girlfriend. How on earth could there be substantial grounds for believing that he would fail to surrender to custody or commit further offences?? Whatever his childhood might suggest, he has done nothing wrong for a few years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 18:18:06 GMT
Ferguson said he was the most talented youngster he had ever seen. I think we all know why he got rid of him... It is exactly why Ferguson got rid of him. I had hoped for his sake that moving away from Longsight and his associates might have enabled him to put his past behind him. It is very unusual to have been refused bail on two common assaults! I suspect that the objections from the Prosecution come from the Manchester Police who, knowing him and his associates, will have taken great pleasure in so doing. They have very little regard for justice where Longsight is concerned. I cannot believe that the bail decision will stand when the case goes before a Crown Court Judge, who might hopefully be a little less inclined to bow to the will of the Police. Even if he was in trouble as a youngster, which he must have been to be in custody on such minor charges, I fail to see, given that he is a Premier League footballer, how any of the exceptions to the Right to Bail could be made out? The only possible realistic objection could have been that he would interfere with the course of justice, given that the alleged complainant was his ex-girlfriend. How on earth could there be substantial grounds for believing that he would fail to surrender to custody or commit further offences?? Whatever his childhood might suggest, he has done nothing wrong for a few years. Alls I can say is awwww diddums.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 31, 2014 18:21:15 GMT
Another talented player chucking his career away before it had really started, ala Ranger and Joey Barton.
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 18:35:51 GMT
It is exactly why Ferguson got rid of him. I had hoped for his sake that moving away from Longsight and his associates might have enabled him to put his past behind him. It is very unusual to have been refused bail on two common assaults! I suspect that the objections from the Prosecution come from the Manchester Police who, knowing him and his associates, will have taken great pleasure in so doing. They have very little regard for justice where Longsight is concerned. I cannot believe that the bail decision will stand when the case goes before a Crown Court Judge, who might hopefully be a little less inclined to bow to the will of the Police. Even if he was in trouble as a youngster, which he must have been to be in custody on such minor charges, I fail to see, given that he is a Premier League footballer, how any of the exceptions to the Right to Bail could be made out? The only possible realistic objection could have been that he would interfere with the course of justice, given that the alleged complainant was his ex-girlfriend. How on earth could there be substantial grounds for believing that he would fail to surrender to custody or commit further offences?? Whatever his childhood might suggest, he has done nothing wrong for a few years. Alls I can say is awwww diddums. I understand the amusement Bayern, but when Justice goes out of the window because the police have an agenda, there is a potentially serious problem for all of us. It isn't much different from what happened to a lot of Stoke fans a couple of years ago when we played Manchester City away! I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. I do not know exactly why Ravel Morrison has been remanded into custody, but I can assure you that it is an unusual decision. I can also assure you that any young black lad from Manchester who is believed to associate with other young black lads from Longsight, is a target for the police, especially if he associates with anybody who the police claim to be part of the Longsight Crew. I can also assure you that the Manchester Police are content to throw all rules out of the window when pursuing such people. Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not. He is innocent until proven guilty and even if guilty of both, he couldn't get more than 12 months, so why must he wait for his trial in custody! I'm afraid that it smacks of revenge and jealousy. The Bail Act only allows bail to be withheld in cases such as this in certain exceptional circumstances. Unless he has a string of offences for failing to surrender to bail or committing further offences on bail, I simply cannot see how the bail refusal in justified. He must have an address in London and a requirement to live there and not come to Manchester would surely have nullified any such concerns. I reiterate that I do not know what has happened in this case but I just feel very uncomfortable about it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 18:47:17 GMT
Their agenda is keeping a dangerous thug off the streets isn't it? Good on 'em.
I'd guess going off his history of gangs it's to stop/limit harassment.
I don't, I like seeing little scrotes being treated like the shit they are.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 31, 2014 18:51:41 GMT
Alls I can say is awwww diddums. I understand the amusement Bayern, but when Justice goes out of the window because the police have an agenda, there is a potentially serious problem for all of us. It isn't much different from what happened to a lot of Stoke fans a couple of years ago when we played Manchester City away! I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. I do not know exactly why Ravel Morrison has been remanded into custody, but I can assure you that it is an unusual decision. I can also assure you that any young black lad from Manchester who is believed to associate with other young black lads from Longsight, is a target for the police, especially if he associates with anybody who the police claim to be part of the Longsight Crew. I can also assure you that the Manchester Police are content to throw all rules out of the window when pursuing such people. Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not. He is innocent until proven guilty and even if guilty of both, he couldn't get more than 12 months, so why must he wait for his trial in custody! I'm afraid that it smacks of revenge and jealousy. The Bail Act only allows bail to be withheld in cases such as this in certain exceptional circumstances. Unless he has a string of offences for failing to surrender to bail or committing further offences on bail, I simply cannot see how the bail refusal in justified. He must have an address in London and a requirement to live there and not come to Manchester would surely have nullified any such concerns. I reiterate that I do not know what has happened in this case but I just feel very uncomfortable about it. I guess the best thing to do is wait till the facts come out. What I would say is he has been previously found guilty of witness intimidation.
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Post by go4stoke on Jul 31, 2014 18:58:17 GMT
They still got Andy Carroll fall back on . Whoop 's forgot out 4 month's.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 18:59:28 GMT
I understand the amusement Bayern, but when Justice goes out of the window because the police have an agenda, there is a potentially serious problem for all of us. It isn't much different from what happened to a lot of Stoke fans a couple of years ago when we played Manchester City away! I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. I do not know exactly why Ravel Morrison has been remanded into custody, but I can assure you that it is an unusual decision. I can also assure you that any young black lad from Manchester who is believed to associate with other young black lads from Longsight, is a target for the police, especially if he associates with anybody who the police claim to be part of the Longsight Crew. I can also assure you that the Manchester Police are content to throw all rules out of the window when pursuing such people. Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not. He is innocent until proven guilty and even if guilty of both, he couldn't get more than 12 months, so why must he wait for his trial in custody! I'm afraid that it smacks of revenge and jealousy. The Bail Act only allows bail to be withheld in cases such as this in certain exceptional circumstances. Unless he has a string of offences for failing to surrender to bail or committing further offences on bail, I simply cannot see how the bail refusal in justified. He must have an address in London and a requirement to live there and not come to Manchester would surely have nullified any such concerns. I reiterate that I do not know what has happened in this case but I just feel very uncomfortable about it. I guess the best thing to do is wait till the facts come out. What I would say is he has been previously found guilty of witness intimidation. That's my hunch too.
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Post by potter25 on Jul 31, 2014 19:16:01 GMT
If Fergie says your one of the most gifted youngsters he's seen and your still doing shit like this you must be dead from the neck up...
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 20:30:31 GMT
As I said, i have no knowledge of this case.
But I find the blind allegiance to the view of the police absolutely frightening!
I only hope that no son of yours is arrested for anything, let alone a "disturbance" at an away game!
If he was, I presume that you of the "hang em high" persuasion would be on here asking for help!
If it wasn't so tragic it would be quite amusing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 20:48:28 GMT
Nah, if he was guilty he'd be found guilty, if he wasn't, he'd walk away eventually. And if he was involved in any disturbances, the GMP would be the least of his worries.
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 31, 2014 20:52:03 GMT
Alls I can say is awwww diddums. I understand the amusement Bayern, but when Justice goes out of the window because the police have an agenda, there is a potentially serious problem for all of us. It isn't much different from what happened to a lot of Stoke fans a couple of years ago when we played Manchester City away! I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. I do not know exactly why Ravel Morrison has been remanded into custody, but I can assure you that it is an unusual decision. I can also assure you that any young black lad from Manchester who is believed to associate with other young black lads from Longsight, is a target for the police, especially if he associates with anybody who the police claim to be part of the Longsight Crew. I can also assure you that the Manchester Police are content to throw all rules out of the window when pursuing such people. Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not. He is innocent until proven guilty and even if guilty of both, he couldn't get more than 12 months, so why must he wait for his trial in custody! I'm afraid that it smacks of revenge and jealousy. The Bail Act only allows bail to be withheld in cases such as this in certain exceptional circumstances. Unless he has a string of offences for failing to surrender to bail or committing further offences on bail, I simply cannot see how the bail refusal in justified. He must have an address in London and a requirement to live there and not come to Manchester would surely have nullified any such concerns. I reiterate that I do not know what has happened in this case but I just feel very uncomfortable about it. By your own admission, you don't have a scooby do and have no insight into the context of these alleged offences. This conspiracy shit you are attempting to formulate is just that, shit. There are many 'specifics' that the Court will take into account when deciding bail applications and they are argued coherently by prosecution and defence before a decision is made. Unless you are in Court or there is very specific reporting (often not the case in offences of IPVA) then you wouldn't know so stop chatting shit about revenge and jealousy. It makes you sound daft.
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 21:02:38 GMT
I understand the amusement Bayern, but when Justice goes out of the window because the police have an agenda, there is a potentially serious problem for all of us. It isn't much different from what happened to a lot of Stoke fans a couple of years ago when we played Manchester City away! I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. I do not know exactly why Ravel Morrison has been remanded into custody, but I can assure you that it is an unusual decision. I can also assure you that any young black lad from Manchester who is believed to associate with other young black lads from Longsight, is a target for the police, especially if he associates with anybody who the police claim to be part of the Longsight Crew. I can also assure you that the Manchester Police are content to throw all rules out of the window when pursuing such people. Whilst you maybe content for the police to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner; I most certainly am not. He is innocent until proven guilty and even if guilty of both, he couldn't get more than 12 months, so why must he wait for his trial in custody! I'm afraid that it smacks of revenge and jealousy. The Bail Act only allows bail to be withheld in cases such as this in certain exceptional circumstances. Unless he has a string of offences for failing to surrender to bail or committing further offences on bail, I simply cannot see how the bail refusal in justified. He must have an address in London and a requirement to live there and not come to Manchester would surely have nullified any such concerns. I reiterate that I do not know what has happened in this case but I just feel very uncomfortable about it. By your own admission, you don't have a scooby do and have no insight into the context of these alleged offences. This conspiracy shit you are attempting to formulate is just that, shit. There are many 'specifics' that the Court will take into account when deciding bail applications and they are argued coherently by prosecution and defence before a decision is made. Unless you are in Court or there is very specific reporting (often not the case in offences of IPVA) then you wouldn't know so stop chatting shit about revenge and jealousy. It makes you sound daft. Thank you for your insightful observation BM. I suspect that after 24 years I have a great deal more experience than you about the GMP. I know precisely what they "think" or "believe" Ravel Morrison to have been guilty of in his youth, But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail view of the world. It must be wonderful to be so untouched by reality. I genuinely hope that you never have cause to appreciate how misplaced your confidence in the system is! I am also hugely amused by your understanding of what happens in a Magistrates Court?? I am fortunate in that I rarely have to appear there. Arguing law in that Forum is akin to nailing blamange to a passing bus! But please don't let that stop you abusing me; I am sure that you are a notable Qc!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 21:08:03 GMT
So he's an angel who doesn't hang around with scum then?
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Post by madasasnake on Jul 31, 2014 21:11:40 GMT
So he's an angel who doesn't hang around with scum then? I didn't say that Bayern. I just happen to believe that, as the law dictates funnily enough, that even if he does, it is no reason for him to be remanded into custody! I imagine, as I said earlier, unless he has a string of convictions for offending on bail or for intimidating witnesses, a Crown Court Judge will let him out next week.
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Post by shropshirestokie87 on Jul 31, 2014 21:11:49 GMT
By your own admission, you don't have a scooby do and have no insight into the context of these alleged offences. This conspiracy shit you are attempting to formulate is just that, shit. There are many 'specifics' that the Court will take into account when deciding bail applications and they are argued coherently by prosecution and defence before a decision is made. Unless you are in Court or there is very specific reporting (often not the case in offences of IPVA) then you wouldn't know so stop chatting shit about revenge and jealousy. It makes you sound daft. Thank you for your insightful observation BM. I suspect that after 24 years I have a great deal more experience than you about the GMP. I know precisely what they "think" or "believe" Ravel Morrison to have been guilty of in his youth, But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail view of the world. It musty be wonderful to be so untouched by reality. I genuinely hope that you never have cause to appreciate how misplaced your confidence in the system is! The system works in a generalised way, but it would appear that from your professionally formed opinion you believe the system as a whole is corrupt. That may be the case in certain areas, what I disagree with is that you are implying that the GMP as a whole are corrupt and are on an agenda against certain groups. There must have been enough evidence for the CPS to believe a conviction is possible and they may well have genuine reasons for remand. Until the facts are out I think all anyone can do is speculate. On a personal note I think he's an utter cunt for throwing away a career any young lad would kill for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 31, 2014 21:16:16 GMT
By your own admission, you don't have a scooby do and have no insight into the context of these alleged offences. This conspiracy shit you are attempting to formulate is just that, shit. There are many 'specifics' that the Court will take into account when deciding bail applications and they are argued coherently by prosecution and defence before a decision is made. Unless you are in Court or there is very specific reporting (often not the case in offences of IPVA) then you wouldn't know so stop chatting shit about revenge and jealousy. It makes you sound daft. Thank you for your insightful observation BM. I suspect that after 24 years I have a great deal more experience than you about the GMP. I know precisely what they "think" or "believe" Ravel Morrison to have been guilty of in his youth, But lets not let the facts get in the way of your Daily Mail view of the world. It must be wonderful to be so untouched by reality. I genuinely hope that you never have cause to appreciate how misplaced your confidence in the system is! I am also hugely amused by your understanding of what happens in a Magistrates Court?? The particular advantage of being a proper lawyer is that I no longer have to appear there. Arguing law in that Forum is akin to nailing blamange to a passing bus! But please don't let that stop you abusing me; I am sure that you are a notable Qc! You've obviously been out of the game and on the pop too long mate. A proper lawyer my arse or you'd have at least a little insight and perspective instead of your paranoid froth. I know the system inside out and your claims are Ill informed and embarrassing. Daily Mail? I almost spat my Rioja. Did I say daft?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 21:19:15 GMT
So he's an angel who doesn't hang around with scum then? I didn't say that Bayern. I just happen to believe that, as the law dictates funnily enough, that even if he does, it is no reason for him to be remanded into custody! I imagine, as I said earlier, unless he has a string of convictions for offending on bail or for intimidating witnesses, a Crown Court Judge will let him out next week. He's got history of intimidation, he's got history of assault, he's on an assault charge against someone he could easily intimidate. The police are doing the correct thing.
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Post by cmc89 on Jul 31, 2014 21:21:32 GMT
Alls I can say is awwww diddums. I have to confess that it was my distrust of authority generally, but moreover my treatment as an away supporter at the hands of the police as a young and well behaved kid that made me choose my career. So are you a very articulate gangster?
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Post by nik80 on Jul 31, 2014 21:21:41 GMT
Made up for big Sam here, he's the bloody manager, of course it should be his character judgment that determines which players he wants in HIS team. He clearly knew Morrison had issues and those pair of cunts were trying to undermine Sam by practically publicly saying he's got to be played. Well the lad's fucking shat on them, making them look like the tits they are and Sam comes out smelling of roses.
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