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Post by gaznandi on Jul 28, 2015 15:39:00 GMT
But it won't be his decision, it'll be his clubs decision to take a €40mill loss on the deal (if it were that obviously). Big call that, can't see it myself. but it would be his decision....if he didn't want to come here for 40mill then he wouldn't even if the club wanted to sell him. anyway, that particular poser you put up is massively hypothetical so nothing for any of us to get worried about i'm sure No, its put up because they've said whatever we offer makes no difference, they'll only sell to a top European side. So if we put up 5x more than a larger side it'll be turned down according to that. You think that'd happen? (And its all hypothetical, its a thread about a player that doesn't play for us )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:40:23 GMT
....which indicate that the player agrees with the owner (as i said) True but I don't know why it comes as a shock... We've seen Bego, Fonzy, Kono and Sterling all move for similar reasons. It's nothing new. And the player part does seem more throw away than the quotes from the owner which are definite. I still don't think he'll sign mind! not so sure about Sterling and Bego there as examples but yeah, it's nice to see whenever it happens the whole bloody thing is hypothetical at the mo anyway and, like you,i don't think he will sign and i'm not arsed until i actually see anything of any substance from the clubs. at the moment the tweets and quotes look like nothing more that people trying to get bidding wars going..nothing's official until The Sentinel state the exact opposite of what's actually happening
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:42:10 GMT
but it would be his decision....if he didn't want to come here for 40mill then he wouldn't even if the club wanted to sell him. anyway, that particular poser you put up is massively hypothetical so nothing for any of us to get worried about i'm sure No, its put up because they've said whatever we offer makes no difference, they'll only sell to a top European side. So if we put up 5x more than a larger side it'll be turned down according to that. You think that'd happen? (And its all hypothetical, its a thread about a player that doesn't play for us ) yeah i do think it'd happen as (if Yarmo agrees he wants to go to a top club as has been indicated) then there's literally nothing they can do to force him to come here just because we bid the most. you can't just sell a player to a club that they don't want to go to.
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Post by LphPotter on Jul 28, 2015 15:43:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:44:55 GMT
has someone been interviewing Bojan Mackey to get that viewpoint?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 15:45:07 GMT
True but I don't know why it comes as a shock... We've seen Bego, Fonzy, Kono and Sterling all move for similar reasons. It's nothing new. And the player part does seem more throw away than the quotes from the owner which are definite. I still don't think he'll sign mind! not so sure about Sterling and Bego there as examples but yeah, it's nice to see whenever it happens the whole bloody thing is hypothetical at the mo anyway and, like you,i don't think he will sign and i'm not arsed until i actually see anything of any substance from the clubs. at the moment the tweets and quotes look like nothing more that people trying to get bidding wars going..nothing's official until The Sentinel state the exact opposite of what's actually happening Why not? Especially Sterling, he's moved to a much better club where he will play loads and have a good chance of winning stuff. His vilification has been pathetic. He turned down 100k a week, he could have broke his leg the next day and his career could have been over. He didn't do it for greed, he did it to better himself, clear as day. He got a rise too, bonus! Similarly with Bego, he will believe he can challenge Courtois, he is imo one of the most determined players around and he will do his utmost to do that. He's bettered himself easily than being our #1. I don't think it is, I get the feeling the owner would rather let him leave on a free than sell him to us for 100m. I wish we'd sign that horrorbag Lennon already!
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Post by joeyscfc on Jul 28, 2015 15:45:25 GMT
No, its put up because they've said whatever we offer makes no difference, they'll only sell to a top European side. So if we put up 5x more than a larger side it'll be turned down according to that. You think that'd happen? (And its all hypothetical, its a thread about a player that doesn't play for us ) yeah i do think it'd happen as (if Yarmo agrees he wants to go to a top club as has been indicated) then there's literally nothing they can do to force him to come here just because we bid the most. you can't just sell a player to a club that they don't want to go to. This is true. But as much as it might work against us that these mafia-style chairmen have control over their players and where they can't move to, I imagine if Igor decided he wants to cash in with Stoke, then it may work in our favour that he'll do as he's told. Although I doubt it'll come to that in truth
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Post by s7oke on Jul 28, 2015 15:45:18 GMT
I agree
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2015 15:47:29 GMT
According to Stoke fans, FutbolUkraine is a cunt.
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Post by liveattheoasis on Jul 28, 2015 15:48:13 GMT
Well that's futbol ukraine officially sorted as an actual source.
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Post by meladben on Jul 28, 2015 15:49:14 GMT
At this rate, I'm gonna have to try and find a surgeon that is willing to do the first ever 'Testicle/kinder surprise egg reassignment' surgery.. but damn, it would be worth it. i used picled onions,only drawback is the hard-on i get for cheese
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 28, 2015 15:51:33 GMT
I suggest FutbolUkraine should scarper from twitter sharpish should Yarmolenko sign on the dotted line for Stoke - the amount of shit that will descend on him from a great height will bury him alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:52:51 GMT
not so sure about Sterling and Bego there as examples but yeah, it's nice to see whenever it happens the whole bloody thing is hypothetical at the mo anyway and, like you,i don't think he will sign and i'm not arsed until i actually see anything of any substance from the clubs. at the moment the tweets and quotes look like nothing more that people trying to get bidding wars going..nothing's official until The Sentinel state the exact opposite of what's actually happening Why not? Especially Sterling, he's moved to a much better club where he will play loads and have a good chance of winning stuff. His vilification has been pathetic. He turned down 100k a week, he could have broke his leg the next day and his career could have been over. He didn't do it for greed, he did it to better himself, clear as day. He got a rise too, bonus! Similarly with Bego, he will believe he can challenge Courtois, he is imo one of the most determined players around and he will do his utmost to do that. He's bettered himself easily than being our #1. I don't think it is, I get the feeling the owner would rather let him leave on a free than sell him to us for 100m. I wish we'd sign that horrorbag Lennon already! to be honest (and this is all based on personal opinions obviously) i think the Sterling thing was more a case of him and his agent knowing full well that a "Big club" (who would pay him more) were going to come in given the way the media built him up to be the next Maradona...i don't think it was much of a gamble to turn down the £100k at Liverpool because of that, he knew full well someone bigger would want him so i'm still not sure he did it specifically because of wanting to better himself. re: Bego...there's no hope he'll replace Courtois. he'll play cup games and nothing more than that at Chelsea. sitting on a bench at a big club and winning trophies simply because your name is on their list of players (i.e not because you actually contributed) isn't bettering yourself IMO. does anyone think Jack Rodwell bettered himself simply because technically he has a Premier League title under his belt or do people mock him specifically because of that and the fact he did feck all to deserve or warrant that medal? i just think the fact that he refuses to sit on the bench for us because all he wants is first team football then a few weeks later sods off to Chelsea to warm their bench for the rest of his career speaks volumes!
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 28, 2015 15:53:24 GMT
Well that's futbol ukraine officially sorted as an actual source. Indeed, just another pre-pubescent keyboard warrior from the arse end of nowhere who plays too many football manager games on his computer.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 28, 2015 15:53:45 GMT
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Post by pedro23 on Jul 28, 2015 15:55:34 GMT
Ok there is time yet, but what i think is interesting to note is that there does not seem to be a queue of top European clubs for either Yarmo and Shaq. If they were that good, surely there would be a battle royal going on by now.
Both of these players are looking to get in the top 25 selection of one the CL Clubs it appears. There is no guarantee a highly rated player will cut it in the EPL, Falcao a good example, there are plenty more. It would not surprise me one bit if either of these end up where they expect to be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 15:58:02 GMT
Why not? Especially Sterling, he's moved to a much better club where he will play loads and have a good chance of winning stuff. His vilification has been pathetic. He turned down 100k a week, he could have broke his leg the next day and his career could have been over. He didn't do it for greed, he did it to better himself, clear as day. He got a rise too, bonus! Similarly with Bego, he will believe he can challenge Courtois, he is imo one of the most determined players around and he will do his utmost to do that. He's bettered himself easily than being our #1. I don't think it is, I get the feeling the owner would rather let him leave on a free than sell him to us for 100m. I wish we'd sign that horrorbag Lennon already! to be honest (and this is all based on personal opinions obviously) i think the Sterling thing was more a case of him and his agent knowing full well that a "Big club" (who would pay him more) were going to come in given the way the media built him up to be the next Maradona...i don't think it was much of a gamble to turn down the £100k at Liverpool because of that, he knew full well someone bigger would want him so i'm still not sure he did it specifically because of wanting to better himself. re: Bego...there's no hope he'll replace Courtois. he'll play cup games and nothing more than that at Chelsea. sitting on a bench at a big club and winning trophies simply because your name is on their list of players (i.e not because you actually contributed) isn't bettering yourself IMO. does anyone think Jack Rodwell bettered himself simply because technically he has a Premier League title under his belt or do people mock him specifically because of that and the fact he did feck all to deserve or warrant that medal? i just think the fact that he refuses to sit on the bench for us because all he wants is first team football then a few weeks later sods off to Chelsea to warm their bench for the rest of his career speaks volumes! But isn't the someone bigger also about bettering yourself? Of course it is! The bloke wants to win stuff, he's now in a position to do that. There probably isn't but he won't think that because like I said he's got a steely determination that will drive him to try and do it. His self belief is sky high. I wouldn't have turned it down either, it's an absolutely fantastic move for him.
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Post by themistocles on Jul 28, 2015 16:04:00 GMT
With the signing of afellay on a free,it could've released some funds which othererwised may have been budgeted for the purchase of 2 wingers.
I.e we could've budgeted 20 mill for the purchase of two wingers after it went quiet on the freebie front (yarmo 15 adama 5). We now are in a more advantageous position that we can up our yarmo bid having used little of the budget for afellay.
Just a thought .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:04:25 GMT
to be honest (and this is all based on personal opinions obviously) i think the Sterling thing was more a case of him and his agent knowing full well that a "Big club" (who would pay him more) were going to come in given the way the media built him up to be the next Maradona...i don't think it was much of a gamble to turn down the £100k at Liverpool because of that, he knew full well someone bigger would want him so i'm still not sure he did it specifically because of wanting to better himself. re: Bego...there's no hope he'll replace Courtois. he'll play cup games and nothing more than that at Chelsea. sitting on a bench at a big club and winning trophies simply because your name is on their list of players (i.e not because you actually contributed) isn't bettering yourself IMO. does anyone think Jack Rodwell bettered himself simply because technically he has a Premier League title under his belt or do people mock him specifically because of that and the fact he did feck all to deserve or warrant that medal? i just think the fact that he refuses to sit on the bench for us because all he wants is first team football then a few weeks later sods off to Chelsea to warm their bench for the rest of his career speaks volumes! But isn't the someone bigger also about bettering yourself? Of course it is! The bloke wants to win stuff, he's now in a position to do that. There probably isn't but he won't think that because like I said he's got a steely determination that will drive him to try and do it. His self belief is sky high. I wouldn't have turned it down either, it's an absolutely fantastic move for him. on paper it is because it's Chelsea (and i know me and you seem to be veering off the thread now ) but i think a move like that won't actually give him much real opportunity to better himself for the same reason, because it's Chelsea! he just won't play that often. i'd have preferred him to have sat it out a bit longer, particularly with the goalkeeping merry go round that is about to properly get underway (allegedly) and wait until he got a number 1 spot. even a club like Spurs could have been a good move and make his move up the ladder a bit slower but at least be getting regular first team run outs rather than just hear the name Chelsea and jump onboard. he's really running the risk of becoming another Rodwell who will end up going backwards simply because people will forget about him. in 3 or 4 years time he could end up being just another nearly man, not because of his lack of talent (he's got that in abundance) but because of his talent being hidden and forgotten by everyone. his choice though i suppose
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:07:08 GMT
But isn't the someone bigger also about bettering yourself? Of course it is! The bloke wants to win stuff, he's now in a position to do that. There probably isn't but he won't think that because like I said he's got a steely determination that will drive him to try and do it. His self belief is sky high. I wouldn't have turned it down either, it's an absolutely fantastic move for him. on paper it is because it's Chelsea (and i know me and you seem to be veering off the thread now ) but i think a move like that won't actually give him much real opportunity to better himself for the same reason, because it's Chelsea! he just won't play that often. i'd have preferred him to have sat it out a bit longer, particularly with the goalkeeping merry go round that is about to properly get underway (allegedly) and wait until he got a number 1 spot. even a club like Spurs could have been a good move and make his move up the ladder a bit slower but at least be getting regular first team run outs rather than just hear the name Chelsea and jump onboard. he's really running the risk of becoming another Rodwell who will end up going backwards simply because people will forget about him. in 3 or 4 years time he could end up being just another nearly man, not because of his lack of talent (he's got that in abundance) but because of his talent being hidden and forgotten by everyone. his choice though i suppose Fuck it, Yarmo isn't going to sign so meh! I'm not sure that will start tbh. I think DDG will leave next season now. I think he'll play 15-20 games and genuinely push Courtois because I do think he is this steely determined sort who won't have it any other way. I also think he'll gladly bail on them if needs be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:10:27 GMT
on paper it is because it's Chelsea (and i know me and you seem to be veering off the thread now ) but i think a move like that won't actually give him much real opportunity to better himself for the same reason, because it's Chelsea! he just won't play that often. i'd have preferred him to have sat it out a bit longer, particularly with the goalkeeping merry go round that is about to properly get underway (allegedly) and wait until he got a number 1 spot. even a club like Spurs could have been a good move and make his move up the ladder a bit slower but at least be getting regular first team run outs rather than just hear the name Chelsea and jump onboard. he's really running the risk of becoming another Rodwell who will end up going backwards simply because people will forget about him. in 3 or 4 years time he could end up being just another nearly man, not because of his lack of talent (he's got that in abundance) but because of his talent being hidden and forgotten by everyone. his choice though i suppose Fuck it, Yarmo isn't going to sign so meh! I'm not sure that will start tbh. I think DDG will leave next season now. I think he'll play 15-20 games and genuinely push Courtois because I do think he is this steely determined sort who won't have it any other way. I also think he'll gladly bail on them if needs be. hope so for his sake mate. still a bit aggrieved that he didn't extend so we could have at least got a really good fee (although 8mill for a keeper with 1 year left is pretty decent...just could have been more with a longer contract) but would hate to see such a great talent rot away on a bench!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:13:50 GMT
Fuck it, Yarmo isn't going to sign so meh! I'm not sure that will start tbh. I think DDG will leave next season now. I think he'll play 15-20 games and genuinely push Courtois because I do think he is this steely determined sort who won't have it any other way. I also think he'll gladly bail on them if needs be. hope so for his sake mate. still a bit aggrieved that he didn't extend so we could have at least got a really good fee (although 8mill for a keeper with 1 year left is pretty decent...just could have been more with a longer contract) but would hate to see such a great talent rot away on a bench! Why should he though? That's the club's fuck up for not doing it or selling him sooner. He owes us nothing.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 28, 2015 16:17:26 GMT
hope so for his sake mate. still a bit aggrieved that he didn't extend so we could have at least got a really good fee (although 8mill for a keeper with 1 year left is pretty decent...just could have been more with a longer contract) but would hate to see such a great talent rot away on a bench! Why should he though? That's the club's fuck up for not doing it or selling him sooner. He owes us nothing. The club can neither force him to sign a new contract or make him move to another club if he does not want too. Players have all the power
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:19:28 GMT
Why should he though? That's the club's fuck up for not doing it or selling him sooner. He owes us nothing. The club can neither force him to sign a new contract or make him move to another club if he does not want too. Players have all the power They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 28, 2015 16:33:19 GMT
Did we run over a Ukranian cat?
What have they all got against Stoke?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:34:28 GMT
The club can neither force him to sign a new contract or make him move to another club if he does not want too. Players have all the power They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. the problem is though bayern, if you try to get a player to extend and they refuse to then you can't just sell up there and then as every other club will wait and bide their time so their contract runs down and you get them at a cut price. if you go to clubs trying to sell players then it's a buyers market anyway (as they know you want rid). it's not like we'd have got 15mill for him last year after he initially turned us down (especially given the fact that no-one ever bid for him or approached about his availability in the first place) personally i think that if a club has given you your proper route into decent shop window like we did with Begs then it's only right he does what he can to ensure we get a good price; it's just courtesy, respect and thanks for us giving him the opportunity we did. him extending doesn't mean he has to stay or is tied down. everyone knows extending your contract nowadays means sod all other than you ensure the selling club gets a decent price....as far as i'm concerned that's the decent way to handle yourself. what he did is at the very least disrespecting a club that gave him the shop window to get a move to a team like Chelsea in the first place
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 28, 2015 16:34:39 GMT
The club can neither force him to sign a new contract or make him move to another club if he does not want too. Players have all the power They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. Who says we didn't, we can accept as many bids for him as we want but he can say no to every club and run his current contract down
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 28, 2015 16:35:20 GMT
has someone been interviewing Bojan Mackey to get that viewpoint? Because he is, the fucking epiglottis.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:37:41 GMT
They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. the problem is though bayern, if you try to get a player to extend and they refuse to then you can't just sell up there and then as every other club will wait and bide their time so their contract runs down and you get them at a cut price. if you go to clubs trying to sell players then it's a buyers market anyway (as they know you want rid). it's not like we'd have got 15mill for him last year after he initially turned us down (especially given the fact that no-one ever bid for him or approached about his availability in the first place) personally i think that if a club has given you your proper route into decent shop window like we did with Begs then it's only right he does what he can to ensure we get a good price; it's just courtesy, respect and thanks for us giving him the opportunity we did. him extending doesn't mean he has to stay or is tied down. everyone knows extending your contract nowadays means sod all other than you ensure the selling club gets a decent price....as far as i'm concerned that's the decent way to handle yourself. what he did is at the very least disrespecting a club that gave him the shop window to get a move to a team like Chelsea in the first place He had 2 years left and we managed to get him gone once he had a year left so it should (emphasis on the should) have been ok. True but then you have more bidders and drum up an auction. We bought him and played him, I don't buy any of this loyalty bollocks, it's why I wouldn't have given Wilko a contract last year or Wingie one this year.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:38:30 GMT
They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. Who says we didn't, we can accept as many bids for him as we want but he can say no to every club and run his current contract down The fact that he's now a Chelsea player suggests that wouldn't have been an issue....
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