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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:38:39 GMT
The club can neither force him to sign a new contract or make him move to another club if he does not want too. Players have all the power They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. as much as we've all taken the piss out of Delph recently: "Delph pleasantly surprised Villa fans by agreeing fresh terms in January, six months before his deal ran out, saying he could not have stomached leaving the club on a free transfer this summer. He felt a debt of loyalty." That is how you deal with it as a player! you respect the club selling you for what they have done for your career! he knew he'd be off in the summer but did what he could to ensure that Villa weren't shafted and would get a fair price when he went.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:40:29 GMT
They can't force him to sign a new deal but we could have worked our bollocks off to sell him once he turned us down before the World Cup. We were naive with him and got burned a touch. Lets hope we've learned and Muni and Arnie sign contracts asap. as much as we've all taken the piss out of Delph recently: "Delph pleasantly surprised Villa fans by agreeing fresh terms in January, six months before his deal ran out, saying he could not have stomached leaving the club on a free transfer this summer. He felt a debt of loyalty." That is how you deal with it as a player! you respect the club selling you for what they done for your career! Bego had 18 months left and we still got 8m and MVG on loan, it's completely different! Bego owed us fuck all.
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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 28, 2015 16:45:24 GMT
With the signing of afellay on a free,it could've released some funds which othererwised may have been budgeted for the purchase of 2 wingers. I.e we could've budgeted 20 mill for the purchase of two wingers after it went quiet on the freebie front (yarmo 15 adama 5). We now are in a more advantageous position that we can up our yarmo bid having used little of the budget for afellay. Just a thought . I had the exact same thoughts on this myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:49:21 GMT
as much as we've all taken the piss out of Delph recently: "Delph pleasantly surprised Villa fans by agreeing fresh terms in January, six months before his deal ran out, saying he could not have stomached leaving the club on a free transfer this summer. He felt a debt of loyalty." That is how you deal with it as a player! you respect the club selling you for what they done for your career! Bego had 18 months left and we still got 8m and MVG on loan, it's completely different! Bego owed us fuck all. he had a year left and, at the time we had no idea we'd get 8mill and a player did we so you can't say Bego didn't need to do anything to help because he knew we'd be ok? he had no idea we'd get 8mill and a player! He didn't owe us anything if you're judging him by what a lot of footballers are like nowadays, i prefer to judge him by what is genuinely decent and the right thing to do (especially when it would had no effect on him whatsoever and wouldn't impact him at all just to make that very simple gesture!)....i know most footballers don't act by the "Right thing to do" code nowadays but isn't that what they're usually slated for by us all? and now, you're basically saying this is the club's fault and fair play to him for not thinking about the club at all?????? Bizarre! you cannot go around slagging off footballers for being greedy, arrogant tossers then turn around and applaud one for thinking only of himself and giving no respect for what we did for him! of course he bloody owed us something!!! it was US that allowed him the opportunity to showcase his talent to get a move to a bigger club....now, if we hadn't someone else would (i'm guessing that's your next point) but the fact remains that if he had treated that other club this way it would still be equally as selfish and disrespectful to that club as well. my guess is that if this had been a Liverpool/Man Utd/Arsenal player intentionally running down his contract for a bigger signing on fee then pissing off to a club where he'd get no football you'd be slating him till the cows came home!
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Post by nott1 on Jul 28, 2015 16:51:41 GMT
Apart from the fact that this is the Yarmo thread, why are we bothered how may games Bego gets? He's no longer interested in us so why do we care?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 16:52:15 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 16:57:30 GMT
Bego had 18 months left and we still got 8m and MVG on loan, it's completely different! Bego owed us fuck all. he had a year left and, at the time we had no idea we'd get 8mill and a player did we so you can't say Bego didn't need to do anything to help because he knew we'd be ok? he had no idea we'd get 8mill and a player! He didn't owe us anything if you're judging him by what a lot of footballers are like nowadays, i prefer to judge him by what is genuinely decent and the right thing to do (especially when it would had no effect on him whatsoever and wouldn't impact him at all just to make that very simply gesture!)....i know most footballers don't act by the "Right thing to do" code nowadays but isn't that what they're usually slated for by us all? and now, you're basically saying this is the club's fault and fair play to him for not thinking about the club at all?????? Bizarre! you cannot go around slagging off footballers for being greedy, arrogant tossers then turn around and applaud one for thinking only of himself and giving no respect for what we did for him! of course he bloody owed us something!!! it was US that allowed him the opportunity to showcase his talent to get a move to a bigger club....now, if we hadn't someone else would (i'm guessing that's your next point) but the fact remains that if he had treated that other club this way it would still be equally as selfish and disrespectful to that club as well. my guess is that if this had been a Liverpool/Man Utd/Arsenal player intentionally running down his contract for a bigger signing on fee then pissing off to a club where he'd get no football you'd be slating him till the cows came home! It wasn't 6 months though and we knew we'd been offering him up with a few clubs willing to dip their toes in the water. In the end we got more Bego than Villa did for Delph. I'd have left on a free, I wouldn't give a fuck club about the club, why should he? It does have an effect, he could have had a massive signing on fee at the end of his contract, that's a massive thing to give up however rich you are and easy to give up when it's not your x amount of pounds to do so! We bought a footballer and played him, he owes us nothing. That's football, he was doing his job and we bought a footballer, nothing more, nothing less. He's done nothing wrong and looked after himself, which is what most of us do in life. I don't slate them for it, I couldn't give a shit what others think on the matter quite frankly! That's bollocks Mick, I was sticking up for Sterling all through his saga, he was completely in the right. I think Bego has been too barring refusing not to play, that's cuntish but I've always thought he was a bit of cunt!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:58:53 GMT
Any news on Yarmo?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 17:02:15 GMT
The owner of Dynamo would rather sell him to Vladimir Putin for a pound than to us for 100 million quid. Other than that no, he still isn't signing and probably never will.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 28, 2015 17:46:06 GMT
The owner of Dynamo would rather sell him to Vladimir Putin for a pound than to us for 100 million quid. Other than that no, he still isn't signing and probably never will. The last 3 pages (except for the Bego-related sideshow), are seemingly based on a report in 'sport express'? Any reason we should believe this any more than we do The Sun or the Sentinel or the Daily Mail? A publication we know next to nothing about seems to have caused an unwarranted frenzy
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Post by IvKorzh on Jul 28, 2015 17:47:05 GMT
More news on Yarmo from my sources (not these cunts from FutbolUkraine) tonight/tomorrow morning or lunchtime.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 17:50:33 GMT
The owner of Dynamo would rather sell him to Vladimir Putin for a pound than to us for 100 million quid. Other than that no, he still isn't signing and probably never will. The last 3 pages (except for the Bego-related sideshow), are seemingly based on a report in 'sport express'? Any reason we should believe this any more than we do The Sun or the Sentinel or the Daily Mail? A publication we know next to nothing about seems to have caused an unwarranted frenzy Frenzy? What are you going on about? That's way ott. Just people discussing it really and they're direct quotes which always raises the game. The "frenzy" caused seems like a bit of a status quo, none of us thought he'd join before reading it and we don't now! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Express
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Post by IvKorzh on Jul 28, 2015 17:52:51 GMT
The last 3 pages (except for the Bego-related sideshow), are seemingly based on a report in 'sport express'? Any reason we should believe this any more than we do The Sun or the Sentinel or the Daily Mail? A publication we know next to nothing about seems to have caused an unwarranted frenzy Frenzy? What are you going on about? That's way ott. Just people discussing it really and they're direct quotes which always raises the game. The "frenzy" caused seems like a bit of a status quo, none of us thought he'd join before reading it and we don't now! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_ExpressSport Express is one of the best Russian sports papers as well as Sovetskiy Sport
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 28, 2015 17:53:21 GMT
More news on Yarmo from my sources (not these cunts from FutbolUkraine) tonight/tomorrow morning or lunchtime. What about tea time?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 18:05:04 GMT
Frenzy? What are you going on about? That's way ott. Just people discussing it really and they're direct quotes which always raises the game. The "frenzy" caused seems like a bit of a status quo, none of us thought he'd join before reading it and we don't now! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_ExpressSport Express is one of the best Russian sports papers as well as Sovetskiy Sport Cheers! There we go!
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Post by pyrus on Jul 28, 2015 18:24:56 GMT
The last 3 pages (except for the Bego-related sideshow), are seemingly based on a report in 'sport express'? Any reason we should believe this any more than we do The Sun or the Sentinel or the Daily Mail? A publication we know next to nothing about seems to have caused an unwarranted frenzy Frenzy? What are you going on about? That's way ott. Just people discussing it really and they're direct quotes which always raises the game. The "frenzy" caused seems like a bit of a status quo, none of us thought he'd join before reading it and we don't now! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_ExpressHaving read the article, what I get from between the lines is the manager of Kiev, talking to his player through the papers and saying "Stoke! You don't want to sign for them, they're shit. Money! Bollocks to money, you want to play Champions League ...just like we are" which is manager speak for 'please don't leave, I'll tell you any shit, just don't leave'. I haven't seen a single quote from him or his agents in any of this. I don't doubt that, all things being equal (i.e. Transfer fee and wages), he would go to a club playing in Europe. But it looks like this year, Stoke are making sure that all things are a little better stacked in our favour when it comes to transfer fees and wages. As the end of the transfer window draws closer and these sorts of players" options are running out and budgets are being spent elsewhere, we may find some of the owners, managers and players become a little less principled than Kiev's manager is right now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 18:37:18 GMT
Frenzy? What are you going on about? That's way ott. Just people discussing it really and they're direct quotes which always raises the game. The "frenzy" caused seems like a bit of a status quo, none of us thought he'd join before reading it and we don't now! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_ExpressHaving read the article, what I get from between the lines is the manager of Kiev, talking to his player through the papers and saying "Stoke! You don't want to sign for them, they're shit. Money! Bollocks to money, you want to play Champions League ...just like we are" which is manager speak for 'please don't leave, I'll tell you any shit, just don't leave'. I haven't seen a single quote from him or his agents in any of this. I don't doubt that, all things being equal (i.e. Transfer fee and wages), he would go to a club playing in Europe. But it looks like this year, Stoke are making sure that all things are a little better stacked in our favour when it comes to transfer fees and wages. As the end of the transfer window draws closer and these sorts of players" options are running out and budgets are being spent elsewhere, we may find some of the owners, managers and players become a little less principled than Kiev's manager is right now. It's the owner..... We've got previous with Ukranian owners. Murky, murky world.
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Post by pyrus on Jul 28, 2015 18:41:30 GMT
Having read the article, what I get from between the lines is the manager of Kiev, talking to his player through the papers and saying "Stoke! You don't want to sign for them, they're shit. Money! Bollocks to money, you want to play Champions League ...just like we are" which is manager speak for 'please don't leave, I'll tell you any shit, just don't leave'. I haven't seen a single quote from him or his agents in any of this. I don't doubt that, all things being equal (i.e. Transfer fee and wages), he would go to a club playing in Europe. But it looks like this year, Stoke are making sure that all things are a little better stacked in our favour when it comes to transfer fees and wages. As the end of the transfer window draws closer and these sorts of players" options are running out and budgets are being spent elsewhere, we may find some of the owners, managers and players become a little less principled than Kiev's manager is right now. It's the owner..... We've got previous with Ukranian owners. Murky, murky world. I stand corrected. But in essence, I think he is being disingenuous. If the player is going and the options start timing out, Stoke is going to start looking a whole lot more appealing as time goes on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 18:44:25 GMT
It's the owner..... We've got previous with Ukranian owners. Murky, murky world. I stand corrected. But in essence, I think he is being disingenuous. If the player is going and the options start timing out, Stoke is going to start looking a whole lot more appealing as time goes on. If he gets a bid that doesn't meet the buy out clause I genuinely think he'll massively reluctant to accept it. Not arsed in the slightest mind!
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 28, 2015 18:44:51 GMT
It's the owner..... We've got previous with Ukranian owners. Murky, murky world. I stand corrected. But in essence, I think he is being disingenuous. If the player is going and the options start timing out, Stoke is going to start looking a whole lot more appealing as time goes on. We will sign Yarmolenko, or a player of his stature, on 30th/31st August if we are the last option left for them.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2015 18:47:18 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if Igor felt losing Yarmo on a Bosman this time next summer is preferable to the blow to his ego that'd be involved in selling him to little old Stoke this summer.
He's said more than once that he's rich enough for the money not to be an issue. Ego trumps it!
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Post by scfc25 on Jul 28, 2015 19:08:53 GMT
Aaron Ramsey?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:08:40 GMT
I'm fairly sure I read a quote from Yarmalenko a few months ago where he said he'd promised to stay at Kiev for one more season to help them win the title (which they did), and he now expected them to honour their promise to let him go.
I'd imagine that part of that promise would be for the club to let him go for a set fee, being the buy-out clause, and you'd have to think that Kiev won't let him go for a rouble less.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 28, 2015 19:14:52 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if Igor felt losing Yarmo on a Bosman this time next summer is preferable to the blow to his ego that'd be involved in selling him to little old Stoke this summer. He's said more than once that he's rich enough for the money not to be an issue. Ego trumps it! Be ironic would it not IF, this time next summer, he lost Yarmo on a Bosman to 'little old Stoke' (Yarmo having had no other offers, of course )
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 19:15:19 GMT
Aaron Ramsey? Bayern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 19:17:40 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 19:18:25 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 19:19:43 GMT
You what?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 19:21:36 GMT
You what?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:21:50 GMT
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