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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 14:29:50 GMT
Ego? Our reputation? It'd look pretty bad on him to lose a player to us. If he skinned us for £15M and no else would pay that price, I think he could live with it. Clearly not. If he sees it as personal and it takes away from his ego, his manhood and that's important to him, why would he? I'd imagine he's already a very rich man, selling his star player to little old Stoke would look rather bad and not worth the embarrassment.... Maybe. I certainly don't think it's too far fetched especially in such a country and where the owner of one of the other big clubs in Ukraine has just poo pooed little old Stoke too. He's got to keep it up.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2015 14:31:03 GMT
Looks like the guy's ego just won't allow him to sell to Stoke. And got to be doubtful if Yarmo would be prepared to ruffle feathers to force the issue given the way he was talking last week? He cannot stop any sale if Stoke hit his release fee Well, looks pretty obvious now that's what it's going to take. And this summer looks like the only chance we'll get as there'll be a queue on a Bosman next summer. But presumably there's no point hitting the release fee unless we're 100% sure Yarmo's up for it. So either we're umming and arring about hitting the release fee or aren't sure about Yarmo being ready to move here? Given the way he was talking about the owner and Kiev last week, even then maybe he'd feel awkward about leaving against Igor's wishes?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
Looks like the guy's ego just won't allow him to sell to Stoke. And got to be doubtful if Yarmo would be prepared to ruffle feathers to force the issue given the way he was talking last week? He cannot stop any sale if Stoke hit his release fee AND if Yarmo then agrees to come! it's not as if it's a case of if we meet the fee and they then HAVE to sell him to us regardless of what the player wants i.e. if we hit the fee and Yarmo says "No ta, i want a bigger club" then they won't sell, simple as now, given the fact that all of that is obvious, does that mean that you are cleverly inferring that Yarmo would want to come if we met the fee?
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 28, 2015 14:33:16 GMT
He doesn't seem to be Russian to sign for anyone !
I'll get my coat.
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Post by spartanstokie on Jul 28, 2015 14:34:47 GMT
He cannot stop any sale if Stoke hit his release fee AND if Yarmo then agrees to come! it's not as if it's a case of if we meet the fee and they then HAVE to sell him to us regardless of what the player wants i.e. if we hit the fee and Yarmo says "No ta, i want a bigger club" then they won't sell, simple as now, given the fact that all of that is obvious, does that mean that you are cleverly inferring that Yarmo would want to come if we met the fee? Hasn't he been quoted in saying that he is after the best price possible for them, as he grew up as a fan and has been there since he was a kid ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:34:52 GMT
€20m seems like a hell of a lot for us to be spending on a player completely unproved in the Premier League, if (and that's a big IF) this one comes off it's only a matter of time before he's completely written off on here.
Personally I think this is far more than we should be spending on one player, things have been going well over the last few years without spending silly money so why rock the ship now.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 28, 2015 14:36:57 GMT
He cannot stop any sale if Stoke hit his release fee Well, looks pretty obvious now that's what it's going to take. And this summer looks like the only chance we'll get as there'll be a queue on a Bosman next summer. But presumably there's no point hitting the release fee unless we're 100% sure Yarmo's up for it. So either we're umming and arring about hitting the release fee or aren't sure about Yarmo being ready to move here? Given the way he was talking about the owner and Kiev last week, even then maybe he'd feel awkward about leaving against Igor's wishes? I would think that Yarmo has already given us the inclination that he would join us if we give him assurances he won't be stopped from joining a champions league club next year if one bids for him, (basically having a release clause in contract) but I would say he will wait to make sure none come in for him this window
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Post by PONTAFCE on Jul 28, 2015 14:37:04 GMT
Are they direct quotes from Igor? Yes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2015 14:50:21 GMT
If he skinned us for £15M and no else would pay that price, I think he could live with it. Clearly not. I f he sees it as personal and it takes away from his ego, his manhood and that's important to him, why would he?I'd imagine he's already a very rich man, selling his star player to little old Stoke would look rather bad and not worth the embarrassment.... Maybe. I certainly don't think it's too far fetched especially in such a country and where the owner of one of the other big clubs in Ukraine has just poo pooed little old Stoke too. He's got to keep it up. Yeah - that seems to be exactly the exactly the case with this guy. He seems to view Stoke like the s**t on the end of his expensive shoe If there is a release clause and Yarmo comes if we were to meet it, Yarmo runs the risk of making Igor look a cock. Would he do it given what he's been saying? And can't imagine we'd go much higher than £14-15m that we're supposedly currently at. If this clause is around €25m, would we really go there?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 28, 2015 14:50:17 GMT
Igor sounds like a right wanker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 14:57:49 GMT
Clearly not. I f he sees it as personal and it takes away from his ego, his manhood and that's important to him, why would he?I'd imagine he's already a very rich man, selling his star player to little old Stoke would look rather bad and not worth the embarrassment.... Maybe. I certainly don't think it's too far fetched especially in such a country and where the owner of one of the other big clubs in Ukraine has just poo pooed little old Stoke too. He's got to keep it up. Yeah - that seems to be exactly the exactly the case with this guy. He seems to view Stoke like the s**t on the end of his expensive shoe If there is a release clause and Yarmo comes if we were to meet it, Yarmo runs the risk of making Igor look a cock. Would he do it given what he's been saying? And can't imagine we'd go much higher than £14-15m that we're supposedly currently at. If this clause is around €25m, would we really go there? I'd imagine a matcho image is quite big over there now with the shit that's going on. The Dnipro owner seemingly got his own way, this bloke will have seen that and will want to keep up with him. It's all very annoying but like with the Kono bigger, more bullety aspects are at play here.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 28, 2015 14:58:41 GMT
If we don't sign him will it be a case of no Yarm done ??
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2015 14:59:43 GMT
The football player, apparently shared the view of the president.
Dunno what this line is supposed to mean? If it's accurate, on face value, it apparently rules us out? But it could be crap.
That FutbolUkraine chancer is, of course, loving it.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Jul 28, 2015 15:04:53 GMT
The football player, apparently shared the view of the president.Dunno what this line is supposed to mean? If it's accurate, on face value, it apparently rules us out? But it could be crap. That FutbolUkraine chancer is, of course, loving it. This guy knows fuck all hes been taking snips from twitter and been all over the show with this and the Kono saga.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 28, 2015 15:07:48 GMT
€20m seems like a hell of a lot for us to be spending on a player completely unproved in the Premier League, if (and that's a big IF) this one comes off it's only a matter of time before he's completely written off on here. Personally I think this is far more than we should be spending on one player, things have been going well over the last few years without spending silly money so why rock the ship now. I don't think we need worry about him being good enough for this league, he's played well at top international level.He's a top player in any company.
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 28, 2015 15:21:35 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:22:51 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2015 15:26:46 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is Don't know if it's about trophies, or ego of player and club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:27:22 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is It's a big if though, money talks in all walks of life unfortunately
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 15:28:16 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is We're on about the owner here....
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 28, 2015 15:30:12 GMT
So let me get this straight. We could offer €50mill and be dismissed then 10 minutes later Juve or Sevilla or Liverpool for eg could offer €10mill and it'll be accepted? That's what he's saying? Excellent fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is But it won't be his decision, it'll be his clubs decision to take a €40mill loss on the deal (if it were that obviously). Big call that, can't see it myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:30:37 GMT
fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is We're on about the owner here.... but that's just based on a couple of tweets...the same tweets that indicate that the player himself agrees with the owner
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 28, 2015 15:31:39 GMT
Just going from what Hughes himself said re Shaqiri, and our conversations with him, I would say that we would have at least sounded out Yarmo recently as to his ultimate opinion on whether he would sign for us.
You would also have to think that our favourite agents aren't completely devoid of being able to gauge this situation on our behalf????
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 15:32:31 GMT
We're on about the owner here.... but that's just based on a couple of tweets...the same tweets that indicate that the player himself agrees with the owner It's based on quotes....see FullerMagic's posts above.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:32:44 GMT
fair enough if that happens, will make a change for a footballer to have his head turned by wanting to win trophies and play at the top level his talent deserves instead of what his bank balance is But it won't be his decision, it'll be his clubs decision to take a €40mill loss on the deal (if it were that obviously). Big call that, can't see it myself. but it would be his decision....if he didn't want to come here for 40mill then he wouldn't even if the club wanted to sell him. anyway, that particular poser you put up is massively hypothetical so nothing for any of us to get worried about i'm sure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:33:40 GMT
but that's just based on a couple of tweets...the same tweets that indicate that the player himself agrees with the owner It's based on quotes....see FullerMagic's posts above. ....which indicate that the player agrees with the owner (as i said)
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Post by LphPotter on Jul 28, 2015 15:34:22 GMT
That Football Ukraine guy is now on a rant about us
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Post by joeyscfc on Jul 28, 2015 15:35:19 GMT
He cannot stop any sale if Stoke hit his release fee Well, looks pretty obvious now that's what it's going to take. And this summer looks like the only chance we'll get as there'll be a queue on a Bosman next summer. But presumably there's no point hitting the release fee unless we're 100% sure Yarmo's up for it. So either we're umming and arring about hitting the release fee or aren't sure about Yarmo being ready to move here? Given the way he was talking about the owner and Kiev last week, even then maybe he'd feel awkward about leaving against Igor's wishes? Another issue is that IF this saga reaches January, the race for a pre-contract agreement for when his contract expires will become a horrific bidding war. CL clubs will be a lot more willing to gamble on Yarmo when there's no fee involved, we'll well and truly be at the back of that queue. It's now or never for Stoke because we're the only club willing to gamble on him. We'll push this to deadline day to see what Igor prefers, seeing Yarmo playing at "the level he deserves" on a free in 12 months time, or giving Yarmo his blessing by accepting the £15mil from a club like Stoke on deadline day. Me thinks the £15mil will win in the next 4 weeks, but that's just a guess!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 15:36:28 GMT
It's based on quotes....see FullerMagic's posts above. ....which indicate that the player agrees with the owner (as i said) True but I don't know why it comes as a shock... We've seen Bego, Fonzy, Kono and Sterling all move for similar reasons. It's nothing new. And the player part does seem more throw away than the quotes from the owner which are definite. I still don't think he'll sign mind!
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2015 15:37:05 GMT
To be fair if you we're Dynamo chairman & you wanted the best price possible wouldn't you say something similar?
Not really fussed what is said in public
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