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Post by mistergumby on Sept 26, 2014 23:21:49 GMT
Me and the posh Doris (lady barrister in the High Court) have just finished watching it. Had to pause it several times because even though she sees and hears stuff every day that would send most folks on one, this really got to her. A very intelligent lady who previously couldn't quite grasp my affinity to Stoke City, especially with me having lived 5000 miles away for 12 years. She's got it now, methinks. Thanks to everyone involved for this.
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Post by pyrus on Sept 26, 2014 23:25:55 GMT
I can't tell you the problems I've had getting into iPlayer from Grozny so that I could watch this, but I am so glad I did. I'm a 'very good friend' of Neil's, he showed me his clown faced egg at a drama workshop at Keele many years ago.
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Post by 58Potter on Sept 26, 2014 23:26:03 GMT
This programme provided the perfect antidote to the obscene greed & avarice of todays premiership players...people who, lets be honest, go wherever the money is. MARVELLOUS reminded us of why we watch Stoke City, because we are part of one big family..no matter who we are or where we come from. Some things in life are.more important than money and success Thats why this programme has struck a chord with so many people...it's as far removed from the over inflated egos of modern day footballers as it's possible to be. It's about us, the supporters, and what makes us tick and inside each and everyone one of us lies a Nello....That's why we connect so easily with him.. I JUST WANTED TO BE HAPPY Every word of this is spot on, Nello is way way above the vast majority of overpaid professional footballers
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Post by outspaced on Sept 26, 2014 23:31:30 GMT
Just a fantastic piece of TV and being a N-U-L resident loved the scenes coming from the town walking up Merrial Street towards the Council Offices then after Nello's mums funeral service they wander outside and head in the direction of the Wulstan Pub!
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Post by tracksuittony on Sept 26, 2014 23:49:06 GMT
Fellow expatriates and oatcakers PLEASE help!
I've been following the 'Marvellous' hype since the day it's been announced and knowing Nello personally from my days in Keele and following Stoke City I'm searching frantically for a way to be able to access it via I-Player. I even got all my friends over here to sit down and watch it, with avid reviews obviously, but I wasn't able to myself due to work commitments.
If anyone could help me I'd be eternally grateful!
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 27, 2014 0:05:01 GMT
Fellow expatriates and oatcakers PLEASE help! I've been following the 'Marvellous' hype since the day it's been announced and knowing Nello personally from my days in Keele and following Stoke City I'm searching frantically for a way to be able to access it via I-Player. I even got all my friends over here to sit down and watch it, with avid reviews obviously, but I wasn't able to myself due to work commitments. If anyone could help me I'd be eternally grateful! You could try hola.org/ (install it from an add-on to Chrome works well). All free. The you should be able to use a proxy so that you can watch from iPlayer. I'm sure some ex-pats can maybe tell you better ways.
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Post by tracksuittony on Sept 27, 2014 0:15:21 GMT
What a bloody gem, cheers buddy! As simple as that, and here I've been downloading virus after virus to my computer using these 'easy access' VPN and proxy websites. Now to battle through an hour and a half of pop-ups. I'm sure it's worth it!
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Post by mateybass on Sept 27, 2014 0:41:33 GMT
I've got a feeling that "Marvellous" could turn our season around at home if the players watched it and know who he is and what he means to us... and he could actually bring out the "twelfth man" feel that the Brit crowd is capable of...
and maybe get a chorus of this going on Monday night for him before kick off...
Look at the stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, You are Nello
We came along, We'll sing this song for you, for all the things you do, You are Nello
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Post by rbj on Sept 27, 2014 0:46:14 GMT
Everton fan here. I think you guys should be made aware of the huge waves this programme is making not just across football or across TV drama fans or even across Toby Jones fans - this show is transcendent. It just appeals to the honest good in everyone. A previous manager once afforded us the moniker 'The People's Club' but never has it been more obvious this is a tag that belongs wholly and solely to Stoke City Football Club. What other club would appoint such a man kit man? What club would give said man a run out in a testimonial? The story was truly heartwarming. It was incredible.
P.S.
i) Who was that awful c*nt that called him a '****'? Bet there are a couple of hundred thousand people who would love to fill that player in ii) Who was that even worse bastard who stole his chance in the testimonial? Been looking it up, someone called Tony Kelly? He's the worst. THE WORST! How could he deny him a goal?!
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Post by pinoypotter on Sept 27, 2014 2:55:06 GMT
Would love to see it. Living abroad means I couldn't and BBC i-player doesn't work overseas either. Would someone please find a way of posting it on Youtube? Google "hola better internet" and install the plugin for Google Chrome. BBC iPlayer is your oyster. Thanks for info potterlog. Still struggling. Aaaargh!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 3:35:59 GMT
Everton fan here. I think you guys should be made aware of the huge waves this programme is making not just across football or across TV drama fans or even across Toby Jones fans - this show is transcendent. It just appeals to the honest good in everyone. A previous manager once afforded us the moniker 'The People's Club' but never has it been more obvious this is a tag that belongs wholly and solely to  Stoke City Football Club. What other club would appoint such a man kit man? What club would give said man a run out in a testimonial? The story was truly heartwarming. It was incredible. P.S. i) Who was that awful c*nt that called him a '****'? Bet there are a couple of hundred thousand people who would love to fill that player in ii) Who was that even worse bastard who stole his chance in the testimonial? Been looking it up, someone called Tony Kelly? He's the worst. THE WORST! How could he deny him a goal?! I hope Stoke give him a chance to knock a goal in at the Brit. I think it'd mean more to him at home anyway.
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Post by scottzbj on Sept 27, 2014 5:52:59 GMT
Fellow expatriates and oatcakers PLEASE help! I've been following the 'Marvellous' hype since the day it's been announced and knowing Nello personally from my days in Keele and following Stoke City I'm searching frantically for a way to be able to access it via I-Player. I even got all my friends over here to sit down and watch it, with avid reviews obviously, but I wasn't able to myself due to work commitments. If anyone could help me I'd be eternally grateful! I just downloaded it from www.tvchaosuk.com You'll need the bit-torrent software (I use utorrent). I'm based in China and get all my UK TV from here. Good luck.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 27, 2014 6:32:57 GMT
I only have one problem with it. ..... it was on BBC 2 instead of BBC 1.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 27, 2014 6:36:09 GMT
I only have one problem with it. ..... it was on BBC 2 instead of BBC 1. The approval ratings seem so high that I'm sure it will get an airing on BBC 1 before long.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 6:48:49 GMT
Everton fan here. I think you guys should be made aware of the huge waves this programme is making not just across football or across TV drama fans or even across Toby Jones fans - this show is transcendent. It just appeals to the honest good in everyone. A previous manager once afforded us the moniker 'The People's Club' but never has it been more obvious this is a tag that belongs wholly and solely to Stoke City Football Club. What other club would appoint such a man kit man? What club would give said man a run out in a testimonial? The story was truly heartwarming. It was incredible. P.S. i) Who was that awful c*nt that called him a '****'? Bet there are a couple of hundred thousand people who would love to fill that player in ii) Who was that even worse bastard who stole his chance in the testimonial? Been looking it up, someone called Tony Kelly? He's the worst. THE WORST! How could he deny him a goal?! They didn't show it in the movie, and I don't remember it personally as I'm 25 so was very young when Neil was kitman, but he told me that Lou Macari actually got rid of the player who abused him and he said the incident involved said player ordering Neil to make him a cup of tea which is consistent with the moment from the movie. I have an idea of the player's name but I'm not going to guess at it because if I've got it wrong then it unfairly tarnishes a reputation. edit: love your post btw bro!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 27, 2014 7:31:54 GMT
Everton fan here. I think you guys should be made aware of the huge waves this programme is making not just across football or across TV drama fans or even across Toby Jones fans - this show is transcendent. It just appeals to the honest good in everyone. A previous manager once afforded us the moniker 'The People's Club' but never has it been more obvious this is a tag that belongs wholly and solely to Stoke City Football Club. What other club would appoint such a man kit man? What club would give said man a run out in a testimonial? The story was truly heartwarming. It was incredible. P.S. i) Who was that awful c*nt that called him a '****'? Bet there are a couple of hundred thousand people who would love to fill that player in ii) Who was that even worse bastard who stole his chance in the testimonial? Been looking it up, someone called Tony Kelly? He's the worst. THE WORST! How could he deny him a goal?! They didn't show it in the movie, and I don't remember it personally as I'm 25 so was very young when Neil was kitman, but he told me that Lou Macari actually got rid of the player who abused him and he said the incident involved said player ordering Neil to make him a cup of tea which is consistent with the moment from the movie. I have an idea of the player's name but I'm not going to guess at it because if I've got it wrong then it unfairly tarnishes a reputation. edit: love your post btw bro! You have to be very, very careful here, because of the laws of libel etc. This is a public message Board. That is the reason, on legal advice and the insistence of the BBC, why the players in the film all have fictious names. The only thing you can say, because it is in Lou's book, is that the player with the expensive boxers was Martin Carruthers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 7:37:54 GMT
You have to be very, very careful here, because of the laws of libel etc. This is a public message Board. That is the reason, on legal advice and the insistence of the BBC, why the players in the film all have fictious names. The only thing you can say, because it is in Lou's book, is that the player with the expensive boxers was Martin Carruthers. I've removed the revealing part of my post (which could've been the wrong player anyway ) so could you please do the same edits Malcolm, cheers.
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Post by trigger on Sept 27, 2014 8:23:11 GMT
Viewing figures 1.5m
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 27, 2014 10:12:27 GMT
Another thing about this film... they carried off the social aspects of it faultlessly. Never, at any time did they portray Nello as anything other than a human being with personal difficulties. They were honest, and even threw in the odd human frailty to denigrate him. And Gemma Jones was inspirational as a 'proper mum'. What 'proper mum' wouldn't have been terrified at opening that leccy bill? What 'proper mum' wouldn't have spent her life worrying about the son she adored? The most moving part about the film to me was how, as Neil's life unfolded, and as each part of his life evolved in a positive way, it would have given her some respite. I'm glad this film was aired right now. In this world when all we hear is the appalling behaviour of the human race, this gem of the goodness of humanity is uplifting. I know I feel so much better for seeing it... don't you? OS.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 27, 2014 10:20:52 GMT
The BBC are currently doing a documentary on Neil and are following him everywhere - including to Monday's match! Has anybody volunteered to chaperone Zigger while the cameras are roaming free?
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Post by trigger on Sept 27, 2014 10:37:39 GMT
Still got a smile on my face from Thursday.
Within my working role I come across countless people with varying degrees of "needs" and "wants".
The needs I can mostly achieve and its really appreciated, its when I can't provide the wants I run into the abuse and conflict.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 27, 2014 11:10:26 GMT
Everton fan here. I think you guys should be made aware of the huge waves this programme is making not just across football or across TV drama fans or even across Toby Jones fans - this show is transcendent. It just appeals to the honest good in everyone. A previous manager once afforded us the moniker 'The People's Club' but never has it been more obvious this is a tag that belongs wholly and solely to Stoke City Football Club. What other club would appoint such a man kit man? What club would give said man a run out in a testimonial? The story was truly heartwarming. It was incredible. P.S. i) Who was that awful c*nt that called him a '****'? Bet there are a couple of hundred thousand people who would love to fill that player in ii) Who was that even worse bastard who stole his chance in the testimonial? Been looking it up, someone called Tony Kelly? He's the worst. THE WORST! How could he deny him a goal?! That just about sums up the effect that this film has had. Gouranga.
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Post by podolipotter on Sept 27, 2014 11:50:08 GMT
"Marvellous" says it all. Proud to be a Stokie and little Lou Macari is now a giant in my mind.
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Post by stokie25 on Sept 27, 2014 12:45:26 GMT
Watched it last night, laughed and cried in equal proportions. I don't think a film has ever had such an effect on me. It was moving and funny and I can only repeat what has been said on the last 17 pages. My Vale supporting father in law even commented on how good it was and how his view of Macari has been changed because of it.
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Post by teagles05 on Sept 27, 2014 12:48:48 GMT
An absolute joy to watch from start to finish, lots of laughs, lots of tears...not seen something that's given me that sort of reaction in a long time..marvellous
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 27, 2014 13:15:41 GMT
Another thing about this film... they carried off the social aspects of it faultlessly. Never, at any time did they portray Nello as anything other than a human being with personal difficulties. They were honest, and even threw in the odd human frailty to denigrate him. And Gemma Jones was inspirational as a 'proper mum'. What 'proper mum' wouldn't have been terrified at opening that leccy bill? What 'proper mum' wouldn't have spent her life worrying about the son she adored? The most moving part about the film to me was how, as Neil's life unfolded, and as each part of his life evolved in a positive way, it would have given her some respite. I'm glad this film was aired right now. In this world when all we hear is the appalling behaviour of the human race, this gem of the goodness of humanity is uplifting. I know I feel so much better for seeing it... don't you? OS. I completely endorse all that, Mick. I attended the read-through when the actors met each other for the first time. Before it started I was chatting to Gemma Jones about Mary. She said she was tired and jet-lagged, having just flown in from New York, and would I mind if she sat down. I thought to myself that she's not likely to be very inspiring in the read-through. But when it started, she just came alive, and captured Mary so well it was almost disconcerting. It was like having Mary back with us. She even looks a bit like her. Some of those facial expressions of worry, love, exasperation, pride in the film are brilliant. Of course it's also down to Pete Bowker's brilliant script. He spent a long time talking to people who knew Mary about what she was like. Between them they captured her perfectly. Over the last few days I have been thinking a lot about what Mary would have made of all this. I can hear her saying with pride in her voice but perhaps with just a little bit of concern about what it might mean "Our Neil. Who'd have thought it ?" Who would ?
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Post by superpej on Sept 27, 2014 14:07:03 GMT
Sticking my head above the parapet I think the film had some good points and not so good points.
Good points
(1) It was made at all and as a quality production. The lives of the Nellos of this world are rarely told and this film had strong actor performances and was technically interesting with the merging past and present, the use of inter-titles and real individuals (not too convinced about Gary Lineker or Uriah rennie.
(2) Nello is clearly an inspirational individual and his story is an uplifting one in terms of the over coming of adversary, having a 100% positive attitude to life, always looking for the best in people having a clear set of religious beliefs etc etc.
(3) the film gives us a sense of assurance that other people like Nello can be supported to achieve fulfilling lives through the care of their loving families, supportive friends, institutions which are open to their needs (Churches SCFC, Keele University) and a safety net of a strong welfare state.
(4) And that although much of the film was set in the past those conditions still exist today - having Neil himself in the film, the Church Choir, the degree ceremony at Keele etc.
OK the not so good aspects of the film could be summarised in the idea that it gives a romanticised and nostalgic view of the lives of people with disabilities since:-
(1) Aspects of discrimination are treated as largely the work of bad people not endemic throughout society and its institutions - the school teacher, the circus ring master, the stoke player's abuse and the unhelpful shop assistant are examples.
(2) The ease of access that Nello and his mother find to social housing and care home support was probably unrealistic even in the nineties but at the same time any support he did get from Social Services is almost entirely overlooked in comparison with the help he gets from individuals and the church.
(3) Today is a much colder place towards the Nello's of this world than it was even when most of the film was set. Lou Macari argued in his interview that football had changed for the worse in recent years but beyond the game and without being too political here - Mary would not have the same smooth passage to care home whether or not her son knew the consultant, social housing for Nello would be unavailable. Following his interview at the job centre he would have been sent for an ATOS test and probably have had his benefits sanctioned. See the other BBC flims about Stoke "When the Town Hall Shrank".
This is without considering Keele University's "safeguarding policy", duty of care to students and campus security.
Churches are around to help mostly by providing food banks where Nello might have ended up.
So yes it is an uplifting and inspiring tale which makes us feel good about people like Nello the club and our community but there is a wider picture which also needs to be thought about.
I keep think about what a ken Loach version would have been like.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 14:27:01 GMT
Another thing about this film... they carried off the social aspects of it faultlessly. Never, at any time did they portray Nello as anything other than a human being with personal difficulties. They were honest, and even threw in the odd human frailty to denigrate him. And Gemma Jones was inspirational as a 'proper mum'. What 'proper mum' wouldn't have been terrified at opening that leccy bill? What 'proper mum' wouldn't have spent her life worrying about the son she adored? The most moving part about the film to me was how, as Neil's life unfolded, and as each part of his life evolved in a positive way, it would have given her some respite. I'm glad this film was aired right now. In this world when all we hear is the appalling behaviour of the human race, this gem of the goodness of humanity is uplifting. I know I feel so much better for seeing it... don't you? OS. We had it on Thursday. Such a fine example of the opposite ends of the scale of modern day humanity. First we were treated to this wonderful film about a wonderful man then straight after the film it cut to the BBC news about the current troubles in the middle east. It hit me hard, I have to say.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 27, 2014 14:34:26 GMT
Sticking my head above the parapet I think the film had some good points and not so good points. Good points (1) It was made at all and as a quality production. The lives of the Nellos of this world are rarely told and this film had strong actor performances and was technically interesting with the merging past and present, the use of inter-titles and real individuals (not too convinced about Gary Lineker or Uriah rennie. (2) Nello is clearly an inspirational individual and his story is an uplifting one in terms of the over coming of adversary, having a 100% positive attitude to life, always looking for the best in people having a clear set of religious beliefs etc etc. (3) the film gives us a sense of assurance that other people like Nello can be supported to achieve fulfilling lives through the care of their loving families, supportive friends, institutions which are open to their needs (Churches SCFC, Keele University) and a safety net of a strong welfare state. (4) And that although much of the film was set in the past those conditions still exist today - having Neil himself in the film, the Church Choir, the degree ceremony at Keele etc. OK the not so good aspects of the film could be summarised in the idea that it gives a romanticised and nostalgic view of the lives of people with disabilities since:- (1) Aspects of discrimination are treated as largely the work of bad people not endemic throughout society and its institutions - the school teacher, the circus ring master, the stoke player's abuse and the unhelpful shop assistant are examples. (2) The ease of access that Nello and his mother find to social housing and care home support was probably unrealistic even in the nineties but at the same time any support he did get from Social Services is almost entirely overlooked in comparison with the help he gets from individuals and the church. (3) Today is a much colder place towards the Nello's of this world than it was even when most of the film was set. Lou Macari argued in his interview that football had changed for the worse in recent years but beyond the game and without being too political here - Mary would not have the same smooth passage to care home whether or not her son knew the consultant, social housing for Nello would be unavailable. Following his interview at the job centre he would have been sent for an ATOS test and probably have had his benefits sanctioned. See the other BBC flims about Stoke "When the Town Hall Shrank". This is without considering Keele University's "safeguarding policy", duty of care to students and campus security. Churches are around to help mostly by providing food banks where Nello might have ended up. So yes it is an uplifting and inspiring tale which makes us feel good about people like Nello the club and our community but there is a wider picture which also needs to be thought about. I keep think about what a ken Loach version would have been like. I think you make some thoughtful and very valid points in the second half of your post, and to a considerable extent I agree with them, but I'm not sure they are fairly described as " not so good" points about the film. I can't speak for Pete Bowker, the writer, but I would guess he might agree with you too, as he worked for years in the field of learning disability before he became a writer. But I think he would say that the film is a first and foremost a story - a true story - about Neil and what he has achieved and his relationship with those around him, is not intended to be any sort of social or political analysis or statement, perhaps unlike a Ken Loach version ?
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Post by salopstick on Sept 27, 2014 16:35:52 GMT
What was the game last year where we were asked to to the one Neil Baldwin chant for the film
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