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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jul 8, 2014 12:41:55 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2014 15:36:49 GMT
This article is well worth a read. Many excellent points including the following comments on Gerard
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 8, 2014 16:07:36 GMT
I like Mike Pejics comment as well, If you are continually planning for the future,it sounds very much like passing the buck. To right Mike.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 8, 2014 16:15:46 GMT
The problem with the future......it's always in the future!
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Post by onionman on Jul 8, 2014 16:36:08 GMT
This article is well worth a read. Many excellent points including the following comments on Gerard Great read, and I was about to pick out the Gerrard comments as well. That guy's footballing intelligence has never progressed beyond if in doubt, kick it as hard as you can. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 8, 2014 22:37:41 GMT
England were undoubtedly the worst coached and worst organised team at this World Cup.
Hodgson should resign, however he is smart enough to know there is no chance of him ever getting a big job again ( certainly not a £3M job).
My 6 year old neice could have got 1 point from England's 3 games in Brazil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 22:38:05 GMT
Cant be arsed reading about our bunch of overrated, overpaid losers
fuck them all off and use the money saved, to help the 72 other clubs in our league system
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Post by metalhead on Jul 8, 2014 23:38:26 GMT
England were undoubtedly the worst coached and worst organised team at this World Cup. Hodgson should resign, however he is smart enough to know there is no chance of him ever getting a big job again ( certainly not a £3M job). My 6 year old neice could have got 1 point from England's 3 games in Brazil. Agreed. I had this conversation with a friend the other day and I was trying to think of a coach worse than Hodgson at this world cup. I couldn't. I genuinely couldn't. Even Iran had Carlos Queiroz who was able to make a bunch of League 1/2 players hold Argentina for 90 minutes and get a point from Nigeria. Not one other manager comes close to the ineptitude of Hodgson. Well done FA. You fucking idiots. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 1:05:51 GMT
Off with his ugly fucking head! Bring in a man with the balls to pick squads based on form, not reputation!
(inb4 we stick with Hodgson and Rooney/Gerrard play all three games at Euro 2016...)
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 9, 2014 5:24:44 GMT
Off with his ugly fucking head! Bring in a man with the balls to pick squads based on form, not reputation! (inb4 we stick with Hodgson and Rooney/Gerrard play all three games at Euro 2016...)Whoa fella! Getting a bit ahead of yourself there, we still need to negotiate a tricky qualifying group against the likes of Lithuania, Slovenia and San Marino before we start counting any chickens |
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Post by kristoff on Jul 9, 2014 7:04:38 GMT
Off with his ugly fucking head! Bring in a man with the balls to pick squads based on form, not reputation! (inb4 we stick with Hodgson and Rooney/Gerrard play all three games at Euro 2016...)Whoa fella! Getting a bit ahead of yourself there, we still need to negotiate a tricky qualifying group against the likes of Lithuania, Slovenia and San Marino before we start counting any chickens Never thought id say it but im hping we struggle massively during qualifying which will hopefully lead to a change at the top. As much as id like to see us reach a final or a semi, id be happy just being proud of our team, see our players play hald as well as they do for their clubs |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 9, 2014 7:22:31 GMT
Very well written and honest article. We need a manager with bottle who's in total control and not a puppet for the FA.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 9, 2014 8:57:28 GMT
It's a very good read. Woy is ok at jobs where there is little or no expectation. When there is, he ain't up to the job. We saw it at Liverpool and on that basis alone he should never have been given the job in the first place. I don't care that he's a nice guy he simply isn't good enough.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 9, 2014 11:44:02 GMT
Good points. I think Hodgson was right man for the job and at this stage don't think he should be sacked. Looking back more at our campaign though I'm much less congenial than I was at the time. But he won't survive a stuttery start to the Euro qualifiers.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jul 9, 2014 12:10:33 GMT
On the positive side, England looked better than 4 years ago and also 2 years ago at the Euros. We kept the ball better and had a bit of pace and some new players.
But, we don't create many chances, we have no patience, intelligence or tactical awareness or discipline. This team is defensively weak. We have a "celebrity footballer" culture which doesn't lend itself to the team ethic and, similar to the Premier League, we try to score with every attack every time we get the ball. We were in a tough group to start with (2 top 10 ranked teams ahead of us) and Costa Rica surprised everyone.
What worries me about Roy is that he got the balance of the team badly wrong. He did not plan for the weaknesses of our defence. In hindsight, not taking Cole was a mistake, and it was clear that neither Gerrard nor Henderson are anything like international holding midfield players. Barry would have been better in this role.
And that's the problem. Until somebody like Ramsey has the courage to pick the most suitable players for the team, even if they're not the best "media Celebrity" players the papers recognise, we will always have 11 individuals that produce less than the sum of their parts. Contrast this with Costa Rica, who have 11 "lesser" players who deliver way more than the sum of their parts.
We don't need to copy anybody else's system. We would improve if we simply picked a "team" instead of trying to get our 11 so called best "star players" onto the pitch at the same time.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 9, 2014 16:00:57 GMT
I think Baines was always going to be first choice given the season he'd had and Cole's lack of action. I personally still thought Cole was the better suited for a World Cup but he was never going to start. If he had have gone then Hodgson would have had to drop Baines after the Italy game when he looked a bit nervous. This would have meant he'd made a mistake in the first place. I think Shaw will be our first choice easily in two years if we make it through our qualifying group. God knows what sort of team we'll have though. And to suggest Barry as the holding midfielder, at his age and after so long out of the England fold, just shows the dearth of talent we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 17:14:44 GMT
Is this thread still on here ?
did England even play in the world cup ?
frankly I dont remember
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jul 10, 2014 9:02:12 GMT
I think Baines was always going to be first choice given the season he'd had and Cole's lack of action. I personally still thought Cole was the better suited for a World Cup but he was never going to start. If he had have gone then Hodgson would have had to drop Baines after the Italy game when he looked a bit nervous. This would have meant he'd made a mistake in the first place. I think Shaw will be our first choice easily in two years if we make it through our qualifying group. God knows what sort of team we'll have though. And to suggest Barry as the holding midfielder, at his age and after so long out of the England fold, just shows the dearth of talent we have. You're right about dearth of talent Jimmy. Whether it's the small number of English players in the Prem or poor coaching, we are desperately short of intelligent defensive players. Right across the back line and defensive midfielders. I'm not convinced about Hart either. He had a poor tournament and there are questions about his temperament. I watch the game waiting for his mistake. If I've no confidence, how do the defenders feel?
Baines could have been helped by Hodgson if he had got the balance of the team right. Lallana would have been a better bet on the left.
Against Italy maybe a midfield diamond would have been better. Gerrard (or even Jones) holding and staying put to protect the dynamic duo of Cahill/Jagielka, Lallana and Milner wide to protect the full backs with either Sterling or Barkley behind Rooney and Sturridge.
Might have made us a bit more solid with a bit more threat.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 10, 2014 9:20:42 GMT
I think Baines was always going to be first choice given the season he'd had and Cole's lack of action. I personally still thought Cole was the better suited for a World Cup but he was never going to start. If he had have gone then Hodgson would have had to drop Baines after the Italy game when he looked a bit nervous. This would have meant he'd made a mistake in the first place. I think Shaw will be our first choice easily in two years if we make it through our qualifying group. God knows what sort of team we'll have though. And to suggest Barry as the holding midfielder, at his age and after so long out of the England fold, just shows the dearth of talent we have. You're right about dearth of talent Jimmy. Whether it's the small number of English players in the Prem or poor coaching, we are desperately short of intelligent defensive players. Right across the back line and defensive midfielders. I'm not convinced about Hart either. He had a poor tournament and there are questions about his temperament. I watch the game waiting for his mistake. If I've no confidence, how do the defenders feel?
Baines could have been helped by Hodgson if he had got the balance of the team right. Lallana would have been a better bet on the left.
Against Italy maybe a midfield diamond would have been better. Gerrard (or even Jones) holding and staying put to protect the dynamic duo of Cahill/Jagielka, Lallana and Milner wide to protect the full backs with either Sterling or Barkley behind Rooney and Sturridge.
Might have made us a bit more solid with a bit more threat.
Too late for that now mate!  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2014 9:27:55 GMT
England were undoubtedly the worst coached and worst organised team at this World Cup. Hodgson should resign, however he is smart enough to know there is no chance of him ever getting a big job again ( certainly not a £3M job). My 6 year old neice could have got 1 point from England's 3 games in Brazil. Hard to disagree. The way we set-up was bonkers. Conservative Woy suddenly tried to play a game he had no idea how to coach and made a complete unbalanced Horlicks of it The talent gap between the bulk of the teams was absolutely negligible this time 'round - but we didn't give ourselves much of a chance. Having said that, we are desperately short of midfielders with a bit of nous. In hindsight, even Gareth Barry may have done a job. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jul 10, 2014 9:35:50 GMT
I agree and the job's a hell of a lot easier with 20/20 hindsight!
My hope is that some lessons have been learned, or we could get another painful lesson from the might of Switzerland in the Autumn.
Could be worse. Our Scottish cousins are playing Germany away in their Euro qualifiers...
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