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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 12:16:05 GMT
What the fuck are you on about? Too much Brazilian sunshine or are getting through some of the 'product' you may have brought back with you? Lukaku is the 1/4s? But Lukaku has had a woeful tournament .....you are giving mixed messages Merk Well, he did more than any England player. He came on and helped set one up and then scored last night in 30 minutes. As much as Rooney did in 2+ games. Overall, England were wank and there were no positives whatsoever.... not fucking one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:16:10 GMT
i think you'll find that that COMPLETELY ignores the agenda mate! i mean Nasri and Negeredo are so shit they didn't even make their respective squads! if they wore Stoke shirts though then we'd all be told how glad we were they weren't on display as everyone at the WC are just overpaid cheats and scum who we wouldn't want o be associated with. pathetic some of the shit people come up with on here really.... but to sum up....4 players of ours that did ok but nothing special or remarkable at all are now "Heroes" to a man (including one who most on here say is shit on almost a daily basis and want rid of!). glad we've got that sorted Agenda???? I'm bothered about Stoke and England and I'm much more bothered about the former. The bottom line is, that even though I don't really want any Stoke player risking injury out there, I can still can much pleasure from the way that Odem and Cameron have performed. As for England, given the supposed quality of players that we have from Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U etc then we performed like a fucking bunch of half hearted twats. That's it - that is all there is to it. i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 2, 2014 12:18:32 GMT
so Bosnia went out in the group stages, Honduras went out in the group stages and the USA and Nigeria went out at the next available opportunity and can all hold their heads high....but England are just a bunch of lazy, primadonna, overpaid wankers who we all hate???? inconsistency much?????
Yep, about right.
England spend £650million on football. How much do these other nations spend? A fraction and yet they can do as well if not better.
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Post by werrington on Jul 2, 2014 12:18:35 GMT
But Lukaku has had a woeful tournament .....you are giving mixed messages Merk Well, he did more than any England player. He came on and helped set one up and then scored last night in 30 minutes. As much as Rooney did in 2+ games. Overall, England were wank and there were no positives whatsoever.... not fucking one. I'm not arguing with you......just pointing out how hypocritical many on here are and how they seem to see the same thing with different agendas Heroes .....nah
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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 12:20:34 GMT
Agenda???? I'm bothered about Stoke and England and I'm much more bothered about the former. The bottom line is, that even though I don't really want any Stoke player risking injury out there, I can still can much pleasure from the way that Odem and Cameron have performed. As for England, given the supposed quality of players that we have from Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U etc then we performed like a fucking bunch of half hearted twats. That's it - that is all there is to it. i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it. Maybe...but at least we can be fairly proud that at least 2 of our players peformed very well. They were on the world stage long after our bunch of wankers had fucked off home and then seen scratching their bollocks around hotel pools.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:21:25 GMT
But Lukaku has had a woeful tournament .....you are giving mixed messages Merk Well, he did more than any England player. He came on and helped set one up and then scored last night in 30 minutes. As much as Rooney did in 2+ games. Overall, England were wank and there were no positives whatsoever.... not fucking one. so which is it merk.....are we talking about the players individually or the teams? you seem to indicate it's down to the teams (Lukaku is in the 1/4s for fucks sake!) which is irrelevant really. the team you happen to play for is merely a circumstance of location when you're born. Lukaku did well last night but has been utterly pointless in the previous games he's played. Di Maria was utterly shit the other night (until his goal) the simple point is that just because a big name player doesn't perform that doesn't make him shit as a player at all....in the same way that to label all the English team as shit is just as daft as labelling our players who were out there as "Heroes". but let's face it, hyperbole is always the order of the day on here and if you try to inject some facts or reality into it you just get abuse from people. sad but true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:21:51 GMT
so Bosnia went out in the group stages, Honduras went out in the group stages and the USA and Nigeria went out at the next available opportunity and can all hold their heads high....but England are just a bunch of lazy, primadonna, overpaid wankers who we all hate???? inconsistency much?????
Yep, about right.
England spend £650million on football. How much do these other nations spend? A fraction and yet they can do as well if not better.
Exactly. We put up less fight than Iran, played with less pride than America and had far less skill on the ball than Algeria. Shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:25:02 GMT
i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it. Maybe...but at least we can be fairly proud that at least 2 of our players peformed very well. They were on the world stage long after our bunch of wankers had fucked off home and then seen scratching their bollocks around hotel pools. completely agree mate i just think the over-exaggerations are tiresome really. if they had been 2 players for Liverpool then all we'd have focussed on is "Odemwingie couldn't even get a starting place regularly for a shit country" and "Cameron, is he the one that fucked up royally for that goal against them?" it's just the red and white tinted specs blacking out all perspective and common sense and anyone seen disagreeing is a "Miserable prick" apparently for merely looking at the realistic aspect of it all. as werrington says, not an attack on you mate just some of the muppets on here that can't see how inconsistent some of the shit they spout on here is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:27:29 GMT
so Bosnia went out in the group stages, Honduras went out in the group stages and the USA and Nigeria went out at the next available opportunity and can all hold their heads high....but England are just a bunch of lazy, primadonna, overpaid wankers who we all hate???? inconsistency much?????
Yep, about right.
England spend £650million on football. How much do these other nations spend? A fraction and yet they can do as well if not better.
??? so the players who were at the tournament are directly responsible now for the amount of money that the FA spend? didn't realise that! so all is good with the English FA then obviously, it's obviously just the first 11 of the team on the pitch that waste all that money.
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Post by onionman on Jul 2, 2014 12:29:56 GMT
Was a very proud man watching our boys ply their trade in Brazil, how far we have have come is astonishing to say the least. And every player can walk back into training with their heads held high. Very proud today. Well done lads! Seems like a very reasonable comment to me. All right Palacios was crap, but the rest did themselves proud, and did Stoke City proud. We cheer for these players every week during the winter, they are Stoke City employees, so what's wrong with us feeling a sense of pride when they achieve a personal milestone that, a year ago, none of them probably thought they'd ever achieve?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:32:10 GMT
I was proud to see Stoke City players at the World Cup finals. I think Odemwingie probably came out of it with the most credit. Bego suffered from a really weak defence, GC got dropped and then moved to midfield and Palacios got the wrong idea about stamping his authority on the game. Regardless, that they play for Stoke City makes me proud. That they are there, as representatives of their country is a mark of great achievement, and 3 of our players most certainly showed that on the pitch. As a Stokie, I would have loved to have Shawcross line up for England. I used to have many an argument with shit fans who supported the withdrawal of their players from England yet it seems that plenty of Stoke fans have the same attitude with our players. Also as a Stokie, this picture for me will be my 'memory' of the world cup...
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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 12:32:30 GMT
Well, he did more than any England player. He came on and helped set one up and then scored last night in 30 minutes. As much as Rooney did in 2+ games. Overall, England were wank and there were no positives whatsoever.... not fucking one. so which is it merk.....are we talking about the players individually or the teams? you seem to indicate it's down to the teams (Lukaku is in the 1/4s for fucks sake!) which is irrelevant really. the team you happen to play for is merely a circumstance of location when you're born. Lukaku did well last night but has been utterly pointless in the previous games he's played. Di Maria was utterly shit the other night (until his goal) the simple point is that just because a big name player doesn't perform that doesn't make him shit as a player at all....in the same way that to label all the English team as shit is just as daft as labelling our players who were out there as "Heroes". but let's face it, hyperbole is always the order of the day on here and if you try to inject some facts or reality into it you just get abuse from people. sad but true. Lukaku is a young lad that was sent out on loan by Jose and not deemed good enough for Chelsea. He then did well for Everton. During this he scored in a few qualifiers, had a tough time in the group stages and then came good in the last 16. He is not my concern though, he doesn't play for Stoke. 2 of the Stoke players have done pretty well and beyond what I thought they were capable of. England as whole were fucking useless. Given they didn't pick Shawcross then I don't have any great regard for any single individual player. All I can say it that not one stood out and most were fucking inept at this very high level. If a top 4 club has the same pride in any of their England players as we do in Cameron or Odem based on their World Cup performances then I'd be amazed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:33:51 GMT
Was a very proud man watching our boys ply their trade in Brazil, how far we have have come is astonishing to say the least. And every player can walk back into training with their heads held high. Very proud today. Well done lads! Seems like a very reasonable comment to me. All right Palacios was crap, but the rest did themselves proud, and did Stoke City proud. We cheer for these players every week during the winter, they are Stoke City employees, so what's wrong with us feeling a sense of pride when they achieve a personal milestone that, a year ago, none of them probably thought they'd ever achieve? firstly.....3 of them pretty much probably knew for sure they'd achieve this (Honduras automatically get a bye to the 3rd round of their qualifiers and played Cuba, Panama and Canada so unsurprisingly topped their group) and therefore all 3 of Bego, Cameron and Palacios would have fully expected to play in this years WC barring injury. secondly....no-one has said we don't feel proud have we? THIS is the problem on here......me and werrington simply say that doing ok doesn't justified being called "Heroes" (which quite simply it doesn't) and that now apparently equates to not being proud at all of what they have done Association fallacy at it's best!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:34:23 GMT
Pathetic for getting slightly carried away by the fact that some of our players represented us in the biggest tournament in the world?? An exaggeration I admit but no more than your response. I'm sure it's your message board persona and you're a real loveable fella and all but on here you just come accross as a miserable prick to be fair.. so how was my response an exaggeration???? i pointed out that the Stoke players representing their countries did nothing to make them "heroes" didn't i? is that over-exaggerating things or simply telling the truth? did i even slag off any Stoke players or are you just having a knee jerk reaction and equating calling out some hypocrites on here with slagging off our own players and their accomplishments? unlike some i am simply pointing out people's own complete hypocrisies and inconsistencies without needing to resort to petty, childish name calling simply because people don't agree with my point of view. i could call you a pathetic fuckwit of a troll who insults people who disagree with his viewpoint but i'm not as pathetically childish as some on here. P.S. i don't have a "Persona" for messageboards mate...not all of us feel the need to take on a different character for effectjust to try to impress people. and, do i give a flying fuck whether you like my "persona" or not? absolutely not mate...you may want to start realising that lots of people have lots of different opinions and if you think that calling someone else a "Miserable prick" simply for pointing out how hypocritical some on here are and for disagreeing with your own opinion, then you really have missed your own irony there haven't you? A perfectly innocent post praising the Stoke players who've represented their country (and club) at the World Cup and you don't think calling people hypocrites and pathetic is an over exaggeration? I take the "prick" bit back it was meant to be accompanied by a smiley face, but get down of your high horse it's a message board FFS, no ones out to impress anyone it's not real life if people want to be a bit hypocritical so fucking what......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:34:34 GMT
Pathetic for getting slightly carried away by the fact that some of our players represented us in the biggest tournament in the world?? An exaggeration I admit but no more than your response. I'm sure it's your message board persona and you're a real loveable fella and all but on here you just come accross as a miserable prick to be fair.. so how was my response an exaggeration???? i pointed out that the Stoke players representing their countries did nothing to make them "heroes" didn't i? is that over-exaggerating things or simply telling the truth? did i even slag off any Stoke players or are you just having a knee jerk reaction and equating calling out some hypocrites on here with slagging off our own players and their accomplishments? unlike some i am simply pointing out people's own complete hypocrisies and inconsistencies without needing to resort to petty, childish name calling simply because people don't agree with my point of view. i could call you a pathetic fuckwit of a troll who insults people who disagree with his viewpoint but i'm not as pathetically childish as some on here. P.S. i don't have a "Persona" for messageboards mate...not all of us feel the need to take on a different character for effectjust to try to impress people. and, do i give a flying fuck whether you like my "persona" or not? absolutely not mate...you may want to start realising that lots of people have lots of different opinions and if you think that calling someone else a "Miserable prick" simply for pointing out how hypocritical some on here are and for disagreeing with your own opinion, then you really have missed your own irony there haven't you? A perfectly innocent post praising the Stoke players who've represented their country (and club) at the World Cup and you don't think calling people hypocrites and pathetic is an over exaggeration? I take the "prick" bit back it was meant to be accompanied by a smiley face, but get down of your high horse it's a message board FFS, no ones out to impress anyone it's not real life if people want to be a bit hypocritical so fucking what......
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 2, 2014 12:35:28 GMT
Yep, about right.
England spend £650million on football. How much do these other nations spend? A fraction and yet they can do as well if not better.
??? so the players who were at the tournament are directly responsible now for the amount of money that the FA spend? didn't realise that! so all is good with the English FA then obviously, it's obviously just the first 11 of the team on the pitch that waste all that money.
The lads who represented the likes of the USA are heroes compared to the coin worshipping rabble that we put out. And I've said on other threads that the FA are to blame for the culture of failure we have.
cue mealy mouthed pedantic comments...
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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 12:38:03 GMT
I was proud to see Stoke City players at the World Cup finals. I think Odemwingie probably came out of it with the most credit. Bego suffered from a really weak defence, GC got dropped and then moved to midfield and Palacios got the wrong idea about stamping his authority on the game. Regardless, that they play for Stoke City makes me proud. That they are there, as representatives of their country is a mark of great achievement, and 3 of our players most certainly showed that on the pitch. As a Stokie, I would have loved to have Shawcross line up for England. I used to have many an argument with shit fans who supported the withdrawal of their players from England yet it seems that plenty of Stoke fans have the same attitude with our players. Also as a Stokie, this picture for me will be my 'memory' of the world cup... Bang on stan. One of the fringe benefits of Stoke's rise over the last few years has been the international scence. Having a good core in the Ireland group was the start and then we had 4 players at an actual world cup. Good job as well otherwise any special interest would have been over long before last night. Yop, top moment and picture with Odem and Bego.
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Post by onionman on Jul 2, 2014 12:38:25 GMT
Agenda???? I'm bothered about Stoke and England and I'm much more bothered about the former. The bottom line is, that even though I don't really want any Stoke player risking injury out there, I can still can much pleasure from the way that Odem and Cameron have performed. As for England, given the supposed quality of players that we have from Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U etc then we performed like a fucking bunch of half hearted twats. That's it - that is all there is to it. i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it. Right. People moan about England players underperforming - Mick Mills condescendingly condemns them for being too miserable. People praise Stoke players for playing surprisingly well - Mick Mills condescendingly call them ludicrous for being too easy to please. The irony here Mick Mills is that it's you who is claiming other people are hypocrites.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:41:22 GMT
so how was my response an exaggeration???? i pointed out that the Stoke players representing their countries did nothing to make them "heroes" didn't i? is that over-exaggerating things or simply telling the truth? did i even slag off any Stoke players or are you just having a knee jerk reaction and equating calling out some hypocrites on here with slagging off our own players and their accomplishments? unlike some i am simply pointing out people's own complete hypocrisies and inconsistencies without needing to resort to petty, childish name calling simply because people don't agree with my point of view. i could call you a pathetic fuckwit of a troll who insults people who disagree with his viewpoint but i'm not as pathetically childish as some on here. P.S. i don't have a "Persona" for messageboards mate...not all of us feel the need to take on a different character for effectjust to try to impress people. and, do i give a flying fuck whether you like my "persona" or not? absolutely not mate...you may want to start realising that lots of people have lots of different opinions and if you think that calling someone else a "Miserable prick" simply for pointing out how hypocritical some on here are and for disagreeing with your own opinion, then you really have missed your own irony there haven't you? A perfectly innocent post praising the Stoke players who've represented their country (and club) at the World Cup and you don't think calling people hypocrites and pathetic is an over exaggeration? I take the "prick" bit back it was meant to be accompanied by a smiley face, but get down of your high horse it's a message board FFS, no ones out to impress anyone it's not real life if people want to be a bit hypocritical so fucking what...... so if they're hypocRItical then so what but if i want to look at things with a bit more perspective then i'm on a moral high horse????? you say it's just a messageboard FFS then get all arsey because of my comments??? you may want to take your own advice here chap! staggering! it's fine to have point of view but if you have another then you're not entitled to it, you're just being on a moral high horse????? no offence mate but that's fucking bizarre logic! AND FOR THE HARD OF FUCKING THINKING......NO-ONE I REPEAT NO-ONE HAS SAID THE STOKE PLAYERS ARE SHIT OR DON'T DESERVE PLAUDITS OR THAT WE'RE NOT PROUD OF THEM,THEY SIMPLY SAID THAT CALLING THEM HEROES WAS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-STATING IT!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:44:42 GMT
i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it. Right. People moan about England players underperforming - Mick Mills condescendingly condemns them for being too miserable. People praise Stoke players for playing surprisingly well - Mick Mills condescendingly call them ludicrous for being too easy to please. The irony here Mick Mills is that it's you who is claiming other people are hypocrites. when have i said people are too miserable for complaining about england players underperforming? i haven't i simply put reasons out as to why they couldn't have been realistically expected to do particularly well..people countered that with their opinions, i then came back with other reasons. that's not condemning anyone mate, in a condescending fashion or otherwise. when have i said people are to please? i haven't, all i've said from the start is that "Heroes" is overstating it and given reasons why. that's not condemning anyone mate. the ONLY people i've condemned are some for their complete hypocrisy whenever red and white stripes are involved and those that think "Not calling them heroes = calling them shit" (a mistake i think you've fallen into and got all defensive about consequently) in other words, i haven't contradicted myself at all here mate but thanks anyway....nothing to see here just yet another poster who thinks that because o don't see them as "Heroes" then i'm therefore slagging them off. can people on this board not fucking read anymore or are they too intent on seeing things that aren't actually there so they can jump on it regardless as if it were?
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Post by werrington on Jul 2, 2014 12:46:11 GMT
i actually stated that our players have done ok...but nothing special which is true. to see them lauded as "Heroes" for that is ludicrous. That's it - that is all there is to it. Right. People moan about England players underperforming - Mick Mills condescendingly condemns them for being too miserable. People praise Stoke players for playing surprisingly well - Mick Mills condescendingly call them ludicrous for being too easy to please. The irony here Mick Mills is that it's you who is claiming other people are hypocrites. That's just so wrong mate We are both asking why they are regarded as heroes for doing nothing overly special ( played well at times granted ) other than the the fact they play for SCFC ? This mb is full of folk whose minds were made up before a ball was kicked
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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 12:46:29 GMT
A perfectly innocent post praising the Stoke players who've represented their country (and club) at the World Cup and you don't think calling people hypocrites and pathetic is an over exaggeration? I take the "prick" bit back it was meant to be accompanied by a smiley face, but get down of your high horse it's a message board FFS, no ones out to impress anyone it's not real life if people want to be a bit hypocritical so fucking what...... so if they're hypocRItical then so what but if i want to look at things with a bit more perspective then i'm on a moral high horse????? you say it's just a messageboard FFS then get all arsey because of my comments??? you may want to take your own advice here chap! staggering! it's fine to have point of view but if you have another then you're not entitled to it, you're just being on a moral high horse????? no offence mate but that's fucking bizarre logic! AND FOR THE HARD OF FUCKING THINKING......NO-ONE I REPEAT NO-ONE HAS SAID THE STOKE PLAYERS ARE SHIT OR DON'T DESERVE PLAUDITS OR THAT WE'RE NOT PROUD OF THEM,THEY SIMPLY SAID THAT CALLING THEM HEROES WAS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-STATING IT!!!!!!!!!! This board is partly held together by anti Cameron veins and that is what made his performance last night so heroic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:48:55 GMT
so if they're hypocRItical then so what but if i want to look at things with a bit more perspective then i'm on a moral high horse????? you say it's just a messageboard FFS then get all arsey because of my comments??? you may want to take your own advice here chap! staggering! it's fine to have point of view but if you have another then you're not entitled to it, you're just being on a moral high horse????? no offence mate but that's fucking bizarre logic! AND FOR THE HARD OF FUCKING THINKING......NO-ONE I REPEAT NO-ONE HAS SAID THE STOKE PLAYERS ARE SHIT OR DON'T DESERVE PLAUDITS OR THAT WE'RE NOT PROUD OF THEM,THEY SIMPLY SAID THAT CALLING THEM HEROES WAS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-STATING IT!!!!!!!!!! This board is partly held together by anti Cameron veins and that is what made his performance last night so heroic and almost entirely made up of anti Palacios veins but now suddenly he's a hero for playing shit and getting sent off...only on the Oatcake
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:49:00 GMT
A perfectly innocent post praising the Stoke players who've represented their country (and club) at the World Cup and you don't think calling people hypocrites and pathetic is an over exaggeration? I take the "prick" bit back it was meant to be accompanied by a smiley face, but get down of your high horse it's a message board FFS, no ones out to impress anyone it's not real life if people want to be a bit hypocritical so fucking what...... so if they're hypocRItical then so what but if i want to look at things with a bit more perspective then i'm on a moral high horse????? you say it's just a messageboard FFS then get all arsey because of my comments??? you may want to take your own advice here chap! staggering! it's fine to have point of view but if you have another then you're not entitled to it, you're just being on a moral high horse????? no offence mate but that's fucking bizarre logic! AND FOR THE HARD OF FUCKING THINKING......NO-ONE I REPEAT NO-ONE HAS SAID THE STOKE PLAYERS ARE SHIT OR DON'T DESERVE PLAUDITS OR THAT WE'RE NOT PROUD OF THEM,THEY SIMPLY SAID THAT CALLING THEM HEROES WAS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-STATING IT!!!!!!!!!! Not getting arsey in the slightest, sitting here happily watching the tennis and my mood hasn't changed one iota. The high horse bit referred to your last two paragraphs about "not resorting to petty childish name calling.....you want to start realising people ave opinions etc etc" Chill out a bit, you clearly get annoyed by hypocrisy that much is clear. It's not real life so doesn't really bother me that much....
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Post by onionman on Jul 2, 2014 13:16:17 GMT
Right. People moan about England players underperforming - Mick Mills condescendingly condemns them for being too miserable. People praise Stoke players for playing surprisingly well - Mick Mills condescendingly call them ludicrous for being too easy to please. The irony here Mick Mills is that it's you who is claiming other people are hypocrites. when have i said people are too miserable for complaining about england players underperforming? i haven't i simply put reasons out as to why they couldn't have been realistically expected to do particularly well..people countered that with their opinions, i then came back with other reasons. that's not condemning anyone mate, in a condescending fashion or otherwise. when have i said people are to please? i haven't, all i've said from the start is that "Heroes" is overstating it and given reasons why. that's not condemning anyone mate. the ONLY people i've condemned are some for their complete hypocrisy whenever red and white stripes are involved and those that think "Not calling them heroes = calling them shit" (a mistake i think you've fallen into and got all defensive about consequently) in other words, i haven't contradicted myself at all here mate but thanks anyway....nothing to see here just yet another poster who thinks that because o don't see them as "Heroes" then i'm therefore slagging them off. can people on this board not fucking read anymore or are they too intent on seeing things that aren't actually there so they can jump on it regardless as if it were? It's hardly a crime to be disappointed with England's self-appointed superstars failing to win a single match, and at the same time thinking it's heroic for a low profile, comparatively limited player like Geoff Cameron to play his part in a team of underdogs nearly reaching the quarter-final. Mick, at one point fairly recently you claimed that Stoke fans were simply complaining about England because they're not happy unless they've got something to be miserable about. So yes, you did accuse them of being miserable. Today, you patronised a guy for saying Stoke's boys were heroes in the World Cup. At worst, he could be accused of getting a little carried away - but you could also easily argue that Wingie, Bego and Geoff's achievements this summer have been heroic, compared to what Stoke players normally achieve during a World Cup summer. He didn't deserve to have his opinion dismissed as ludicrous. Who's miserable now eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 14:27:48 GMT
when have i said people are too miserable for complaining about england players underperforming? i haven't i simply put reasons out as to why they couldn't have been realistically expected to do particularly well..people countered that with their opinions, i then came back with other reasons. that's not condemning anyone mate, in a condescending fashion or otherwise. when have i said people are to please? i haven't, all i've said from the start is that "Heroes" is overstating it and given reasons why. that's not condemning anyone mate. the ONLY people i've condemned are some for their complete hypocrisy whenever red and white stripes are involved and those that think "Not calling them heroes = calling them shit" (a mistake i think you've fallen into and got all defensive about consequently) in other words, i haven't contradicted myself at all here mate but thanks anyway....nothing to see here just yet another poster who thinks that because o don't see them as "Heroes" then i'm therefore slagging them off. can people on this board not fucking read anymore or are they too intent on seeing things that aren't actually there so they can jump on it regardless as if it were? It's hardly a crime to be disappointed with England's self-appointed superstars failing to win a single match, and at the same time thinking it's heroic for a low profile, comparatively limited player like Geoff Cameron to play his part in a team of underdogs nearly reaching the quarter-final. Mick, at one point fairly recently you claimed that Stoke fans were simply complaining about England because they're not happy unless they've got something to be miserable about. So yes, you did accuse them of being miserable. Today, you patronised a guy for saying Stoke's boys were heroes in the World Cup. At worst, he could be accused of getting a little carried away - but you could also easily argue that Wingie, Bego and Geoff's achievements this summer have been heroic, compared to what Stoke players normally achieve during a World Cup summer. He didn't deserve to have his opinion dismissed as ludicrous. Who's miserable now eh? Stoke and how high profile they are or aren't (which is basically what determines Cameron's profile) is completely irrelevant.origi isn't exactly high profile yet he's making a name for himself this year and people are talking about the "Belgian origi" not "Origi the player from Lille" and therefore expecting every Lille fan to jump up and down and try to claim credit for it.this isn't about how they play for us, the WC has nothing to do with SCFC at all..that's the point i'm making really, no-one would be claiming their antics to be heroic id they DIDN'T play for Stoke. them being heroes on here is far more to do with the fact that they're Stoke players than anything else (hence the reason apparently ALL of them are heroes despite WP being absolute shit in the WC). i said some were miserable because they're not happy unless they are BEFORE the WC started....i think it's pretty fair to say that when people were slagging us off before a ball had even been kicked! Luke Shaw played for Southampton whilst at the WC (a team who finished just one place above us and like us are not a big team either). he also played in an international team that no-one with any kind of sense of perspective expected anything of this tournament yet he apparently is just an "overpaid wanker" whilst our players are "heroes" i have no problem with people bigging up "Our" players when it's justified but for the last few weeks they have not been "our" players they have been the players of their international teams. the personnel and style of those teams is completely different to ours and so they have fuck all to do with us whilst over there. Bego is one of the best keepers in the Prem but because he plays for a shit country he went out as early as the England players....that doesn't make him anymore of a hero than it does Joe Hart. Palacios was absolute crap and went out in the group stages so he's no different to anyone else that did yet they all get slagged off as shit and awful countries (and some even said a while back that those kind of countries shouldn't even be allowed in the tournament!).. Cameron DID play ok yesterday (and in all honesty i saw nothing that singled him out from any of the other US players last night, in fact there were players last night that were far better than he was). all i said from the start is that they DID do ok but absolutely nothing special whatsoever so it's inconsistent that some dismiss some players as overpaid wankers for certain sides yet call others heroes despite them achieving the same thing and despite the fact that the quality of the international teams they represent being roughly the same at the moment. it's fairly straightforward and clear really, the problem is that far too many people seem to think that ANYTHING a player who is contracted to Stoke does (even if not in any way related to SCFC as in this WC) must be amazing and superb and far better than what other players of the same calibre achieve and if anyone disagrees or doesn't go as far in his praise then he's apparently slagging him off and saying he has no pride in the players in the red and white. it's hypocritical, inconsistent and utter garbage to just label people with that tag simply because they want to keep at least a modicum of perspective and realism. by the way, when did the England team appoint themselves as superstars exactly??? they get paid what clubs are willing to pay them (not their fault blame the clubs) and become household names because of the shitty media celebrity culture we have over here (not their fault, blame the media). i don't remember any of them coming out saying we should win it or that our players are better than anyone else at all.....hardly self-appointed superstars in any way, simply the fault of and built up by the same media that months ago were telling us how poor our squad looked and the idiots that swallow it all up.
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Post by werrington on Jul 2, 2014 14:50:49 GMT
It's hardly a crime to be disappointed with England's self-appointed superstars failing to win a single match, and at the same time thinking it's heroic for a low profile, comparatively limited player like Geoff Cameron to play his part in a team of underdogs nearly reaching the quarter-final. Mick, at one point fairly recently you claimed that Stoke fans were simply complaining about England because they're not happy unless they've got something to be miserable about. So yes, you did accuse them of being miserable. Today, you patronised a guy for saying Stoke's boys were heroes in the World Cup. At worst, he could be accused of getting a little carried away - but you could also easily argue that Wingie, Bego and Geoff's achievements this summer have been heroic, compared to what Stoke players normally achieve during a World Cup summer. He didn't deserve to have his opinion dismissed as ludicrous. Who's miserable now eh? Stoke and how high profile they are or aren't (which is basically what determines Cameron's profile) is completely irrelevant.origi isn't exactly high profile yet he's making a name for himself this year and people are talking about the "Belgian origi" not "Origi the player from Lille" and therefore expecting every Lille fan to jump up and down and try to claim credit for it.this isn't about how they play for us, the WC has nothing to do with SCFC at all..that's the point i'm making really, no-one would be claiming their antics to be heroic id they DIDN'T play for Stoke. them being heroes on here is far more to do with the fact that they're Stoke players than anything else (hence the reason apparently ALL of them are heroes despite WP being absolute shit in the WC). i said some were miserable because they're not happy unless they are BEFORE the WC started....i think it's pretty fair to say that when people were slagging us off before a ball had even been kicked! Luke Shaw played for Southampton whilst at the WC (a team who finished just one place above us and like us are not a big team either). he also played in an international team that no-one with any kind of sense of perspective expected anything of this tournament yet he apparently is just an "overpaid wanker" whilst our players are "heroes" i have no problem with people bigging up "Our" players when it's justified but for the last few weeks they have not been "our" players they have been the players of their international teams. the personnel and style of those teams is completely different to ours and so they have fuck all to do with us whilst over there. Bego is one of the best keepers in the Prem but because he plays for a shit country he went out as early as the England players....that doesn't make him anymore of a hero than it does Joe Hart. Palacios was absolute crap and went out in the group stages so he's no different to anyone else that did yet they all get slagged off as shit and awful countries (and some even said a while back that those kind of countries shouldn't even be allowed in the tournament!).. Cameron DID play ok yesterday (and in all honesty i saw nothing that singled him out from any of the other US players last night, in fact there were players last night that were far better than he was). all i said from the start is that they DID do ok but absolutely nothing special whatsoever so it's inconsistent that some dismiss some players as overpaid wankers for certain sides yet call others heroes despite them achieving the same thing and despite the fact that the quality of the international teams they represent being roughly the same at the moment. it's fairly straightforward and clear really, the problem is that far too many people seem to think that ANYTHING a player who is contracted to Stoke does (even if not in any way related to SCFC as in this WC) must be amazing and superb and far better than what other players of the same calibre achieve and if anyone disagrees or doesn't go as far in his praise then he's apparently slagging him off and saying he has no pride in the players in the red and white. it's hypocritical, inconsistent and utter garbage to just label people with that tag simply because they want to keep at least a modicum of perspective and realism. by the way, when did the England team appoint themselves as superstars exactly??? they get paid what clubs are willing to pay them (not their fault blame the clubs) and become household names because of the shitty media celebrity culture we have over here (not their fault, blame the media). i don't remember any of them coming out saying we should win it or that our players are better than anyone else at all.....hardly self-appointed superstars in any way, simply the fault of and built up by the same media that months ago were telling us how poor our squad looked and the idiots that swallow it all up. A superb post mate Take a bow
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Post by mcf on Jul 2, 2014 15:02:26 GMT
Toss post Get back up again The big difference is that Luke Shaw was being touted for a big money move....so was Lallana. The media has been covered in Everton's Barclay jizz for sometime. Odem was ridiculed for the QPR fiasco and only started getting back on track with us. No one probably gives Geoffrey a second thought yet last night he was Stoke City's Geoff Cameron. Whether it's nice, heroic, lob on inducing or whatever, I'm certain that the world cup players will get a special ovation from Stoke fans as they represented us in a very great way. Even Pally's contribution is quite funny. Just get your fucking head around the fact that England were wank and that favoring and being biased towards Stoke is perfectly acceptable.
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Post by coates on Jul 2, 2014 15:10:41 GMT
England crashing out in the group stages wasn't anything out of the blue, everyone knew before hand that this was just a chance to play a younger side and give them some experience.
Tbh I didn't expect to lose to Uruguay a draw maybe but never lose. The problem is England will piss the qualifying for the euros then we will have the same hysteria when England get knocked out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 15:13:10 GMT
Toss post Get back up again The big difference is that Luke Shaw was being touted for a big money move....so was Lallana. The media has been covered in Everton's Barclay jizz for sometime. Odem was ridiculed for the QPR fiasco and only started getting back on track with us. No one probably gives Geoffrey a second thought yet last night he was Stoke City's Geoff Cameron. Whether it's nice, heroic, lob on inducing or whatever, I'm certain that the world cup players will get a special ovation from Stoke fans as they represented us in a very great way. Even Pally's contribution is quite funny. Just get your fucking head around the fact that England were wank and that favoring and being biased towards Stoke is perfectly acceptable. just to let you know my "Like" of your comment was merely for the first 2 lines....gave me a giggle
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