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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 29, 2014 21:35:31 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 21:43:52 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. It's nothing against ryan, but a lot of people thought leighton baines would cut it at international level. Problem is i don't think ryan is good enough to cut it at internetional level, but he may be good enough to make the england team. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Jun 29, 2014 21:47:50 GMT
I don't want him anywhere near the England setup. Playing with crap players and coming back tired and with bad habits - no thanks
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Post by robstokie on Jun 29, 2014 21:56:00 GMT
Perhaps this is a bit off topic, but how did a big, slow pile of shite like Ron effing Vlaar, who starred for one of the worst defences in the prem, become first choice for the Holland team, whilst our Erik, who can also offer cover in the centre, is not even considered for the squad? To make it worse, it seems that Van Gaal would rather play a right footed striker/winger at left wing back than choose someone who plays for Stoke.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jun 29, 2014 22:04:11 GMT
Ryan and Pieters both have reputations that make their national team coaches deem them, albeit wrongly, unworthy of selection. I don't think it is a Stoke thing in the case of Pieters as much as it was his injury followed by a red card followed by injury himself punching a window. Shawcross got a reputation from playing hoofball at Stoke, injuring the glass pariah Aaron Ramsey, and having a horrible appearance against Sweden. In my opinion they are good enough for their respective national squads, if not good enough to be first choice for both, but I also watch them perform well for Stoke week in and out, while their national team coaches probably haven't paid attention to either in quite some time because they've been written off as failures.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 29, 2014 22:05:07 GMT
Perhaps this is a bit off topic, but how did a big, slow pile of shite like Ron effing Vlaar, who starred for one of the worst defences in the prem, become first choice for the Holland team, whilst our Erik, who can also offer cover in the centre, is not even considered for the squad? To make it worse, it seems that Van Gaal would rather play a right footed striker/winger at left wing back than choose someone who plays for Stoke. hopefully Erik will show van Gaal his full repertoire when we play the shit next season. |
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 29, 2014 22:57:30 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. Had this debate with my stokie mate last night Vlaar is better than shawcross in my opinion I now await the abuse |
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 29, 2014 22:58:56 GMT
Perhaps this is a bit off topic, but how did a big, slow pile of shite like Ron effing Vlaar, who starred for one of the worst defences in the prem, become first choice for the Holland team, whilst our Erik, who can also offer cover in the centre, is not even considered for the squad? To make it worse, it seems that Van Gaal would rather play a right footed striker/winger at left wing back than choose someone who plays for Stoke. he played well last season, just was surrounded by crap defenders! |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 29, 2014 23:05:10 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. Had this debate with my stokie mate last night Vlaar is better than shawcross in my opinion I now await the abuse Not even a competition IMHO. Ryan is in a different league. It's difficult to be subjective, but would I swap Ryan for Vlaar? If you threw in Bentake I'd consider it. |
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Post by malteser68 on Jun 29, 2014 23:07:49 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. It's nothing against ryan, but a lot of people thought leighton baines would cut it at international level. Problem is i don't think ryan is good enough to cut it at internetional level, but he may be good enough to make the england team. [bry thoughts precisely |
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 29, 2014 23:08:31 GMT
Had this debate with my stokie mate last night Vlaar is better than shawcross in my opinion I now await the abuse Not even a competition IMHO. Ryan is in a different league. It's difficult to be subjective, but would I swap Ryan for Vlaar? If you threw in Bentake I'd consider it. Well theres no chance id swap Shawcross for Vlaar so there you go |
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Post by LDE76 on Jun 30, 2014 11:19:59 GMT
Ryan Shawcross eats Ron Vlaar for breakfast.
That's how you get Philippe Senderos.
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Post by brumstokie on Jun 30, 2014 11:34:42 GMT
Not even a competition IMHO. Ryan is in a different league. It's difficult to be subjective, but would I swap Ryan for Vlaar? If you threw in Bentake I'd consider it. Well theres no chance id swap Shawcross for Vlaar so there you go Nick - aren't there rumours that Van Gaal may be in for Vlaar at The Shit? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:37:02 GMT
That's hilarious big Nick. You need sympathy not abuse.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:41:35 GMT
Not even a competition IMHO. Ryan is in a different league. It's difficult to be subjective, but would I swap Ryan for Vlaar? If you threw in Bentake I'd consider it. Well theres no chance id swap Shawcross for Vlaar so there you go Everyone's a winner then. You don't want to swap, we don't want to swap, the clubs don't want to swap, the players don't want to swap. And the end result is we end up with a far superior Premier League defender. Job done..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:51:53 GMT
Well theres no chance id swap Shawcross for Vlaar so there you go Nick - aren't there rumours that Van Gaal may be in for Vlaar at The Shit? Just imagine the shock Van Gaal had when he realised he inherited Smalling, Jones and Evans |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 30, 2014 11:54:46 GMT
I don't know about Ryan, but if Johnson is said to be international class, so are all who use this board.
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 30, 2014 12:02:13 GMT
Well theres no chance id swap Shawcross for Vlaar so there you go Nick - aren't there rumours that Van Gaal may be in for Vlaar at The Shit? well there were rumours but we'll see what happens Got Okore back this season who is meant to be a great young cb |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 30, 2014 12:14:48 GMT
It's a difficult call to make because Shawcross was playing in a very good defence whereas Vlaar was playing in a seriously wank one. I've never been over impressed with him but my Villa supporting mate raves about him. Either way he's not that much better that I'd swap them and it does make you think that Ryan should at least have been in our squad. It does until you consider that the same gibbering, insane splash of horse wank who left Ryan out thought Glenn Johnson was the one and only choice at right back for our entire world cup campaign (all 2 games of it) Then it all becomes clear.  |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 30, 2014 12:21:56 GMT
The one thing I will say about Vlaar is that he is a 'proper' defender. He's picked because of his defensive abilities not that he's "comfortable on the ball". Show's how wrong we've got it IMHO.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 30, 2014 12:26:52 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. It's nothing against ryan, but a lot of people thought leighton baines would cut it at international level. Problem is i don't think ryan is good enough to cut it at internetional level, but he may be good enough to make the england team. ...but Leighton Baines isn't actually very good defensively is he? That's why he's been shown up at international level as a defender. Ryan's strength is clearly his defending. That's why he may make it as an international defender. |
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Post by ihaveadream on Jun 30, 2014 12:42:15 GMT
He would never get in the England squad now, after we did so well in Rio.
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Post by brumstokie on Jun 30, 2014 13:54:09 GMT
Nick - aren't there rumours that Van Gaal may be in for Vlaar at The Shit? well there were rumours but we'll see what happens Got Okore back this season who is meant to be a great young cb I hope he is because I was less than impressed by Senderos last season. I hope you get things sorted re the ownership soon - otherwise in financial limbo you could be in for another dire season. |
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 30, 2014 19:26:12 GMT
well there were rumours but we'll see what happens Got Okore back this season who is meant to be a great young cb I hope he is because I was less than impressed by Senderos last season. I hope you get things sorted re the ownership soon - otherwise in financial limbo you could be in for another dire season. yea your spot on there, will just have to wait and see what happens |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 30, 2014 19:31:06 GMT
Thing with Ryan is he takes time to find his feet at a new level - remember the very first Prem game, at Bolton, when he was like a ribbit caught in the headlights? By Christmas he was doing ok in the Prem, by the end of season he was excellent and with only small blips he's gone from strength to strength ever since. If only Woy or his successor would take the risk and give Ryan a 5 game run to really settle in, he'd be just fine. Whether Woy would have the balls to do that, hmm...
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jun 30, 2014 19:37:57 GMT
You don't get a five game trial for internationals or should you need them
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Post by jonah77 on Jun 30, 2014 19:38:02 GMT
Ron Vlaar in the World Cup Quarter Final. Had this debate with my stokie mate last night Vlaar is better than shawcross in my opinion I now await the abuse Would you like a hot,milky cup of a tea and a blanket wrapped around your shoulders? |
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 30, 2014 19:42:26 GMT
You don't get a five game trial for internationals or should you need them Gary Cahill is 27 games into his trial, and he failed it 4 fucking years ago  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 30, 2014 19:45:38 GMT
Had this debate with my stokie mate last night Vlaar is better than shawcross in my opinion I now await the abuse Would you like a hot,milky cup of a tea and a blanket wrapped around your shoulders? Nah just strap him into the jacket and wheel him back into the sanitorium. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2014 8:00:46 GMT
The simple fact is that Ryan Shawcross would stroll into many of the international teams who have featured in this world cup.
He would also stroll into several teams that are clearly so much better than England.
On that basis, Ryan Shawcross would easily cut it at international level and more importantly, he would cut it easily in an England shirt if our halfwit national coach picked players on merit rather than via the media or what clubs they play for.
Gary Cahill, Phil Jagielka, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, John Stones, Stephen Caulker...none of those are better than Ryan whilst several are far worse yet all are seemingly ahead of him in the pecking order for an England cap.
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