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Post by homer32 on Jun 15, 2014 7:54:27 GMT
I think not,he made the goal but besides that not a lot else.He had 2 great chances which he should have buried.I would play Barkley unless Roy decides to play Rooney & Sturridge up top in a 4-4-2. If he plays a 4-2-3-1 I'd play Sterling Barkley & Wellbeck behind Sturridge and I think that is Roy's preferred set up.Our defence is suspect and Wellbeck will play for his tackling ability.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 7:55:43 GMT
Wot thought he had a great game so it's a dead duck.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2014 8:01:04 GMT
There's a bigger question - what formation does Hodgson play.
Our full backs look terribly exposed in his current system. Note the second goal came after Rooney and Wellbeck switched over.
What Hodgson has done is pack the side with players who play through the middle and don't have the instincts to provide the wide cover full backs need.
He needs to figure out pronto what is his best team rather than pick his best (or favourite) players.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 15, 2014 8:05:52 GMT
There's a bigger question - what formation does Hodgson play. Our full backs look terribly exposed in his current system. Note the second goal came after Rooney and Wellbeck switched over. What Hodgson has done is pack the side with players who play through the middle and don't have the instincts to provide the wide cover full backs need. He needs to figure out pronto what is his best team rather than pick his best (or favourite) players. Milner on the wing then? |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2014 8:12:57 GMT
There's a bigger question - what formation does Hodgson play. Our full backs look terribly exposed in his current system. Note the second goal came after Rooney and Wellbeck switched over. What Hodgson has done is pack the side with players who play through the middle and don't have the instincts to provide the wide cover full backs need. He needs to figure out pronto what is his best team rather than pick his best (or favourite) players. Milner on the wing then? That would seem to be one obvious selection. It's also a change I would have made last night at half time to help Baines out. Football is not just about gung-ho heads down mindless boogie - it's also about adjusting tactics during the game. Something I don't think Hodgson has the bottle to do. Someone like Mourinho would have made a change after 20-30 minutes yesterday when he saw Italy had a vital tactical advantage over us. |
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 8:28:28 GMT
Id have liked to have seen a 433 leading up to the tournament. henderson milner and possibly Lallana with milner covering our Baines when he bombs forward and the 3 up top a bit narrower than usual so its more like 4-1-2-1.
As said in another thread, people are saying Rooneys being mad to accomidate others, to me its the other way round, except his miss ( i dont recall 2 sitters, even the main one was hardly a sitter) he had a good touch but was defensively poor (forward cant defend shocker). Barring Sturridges goal i again dont see what he brings to the team. People are saying Rooney missed a sitter, 2 or 3 times the ball was played right across their goal and Sturridge was on the edge of the box. But once again its easier to blame the scapegoat.
As for Barkley, im torn whether to play him or not, for me its either him or Sterling not both.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 15, 2014 8:44:53 GMT
I'd be tempted to play this up top for the remaining games
-----------------Sturridge-------------------
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Sterling---------Barklay --------Oxladie chamberlain
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 8:49:47 GMT
I'd be tempted to play this up top for the remaining games -----------------Sturridge------------------- --------------------------------------------- Sterling---------Barklay --------Oxladie chamberlain id go -----------------Rooney------------------- --------------------------------------------- Wellbeck---------Sturridge --------Sterling |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jun 15, 2014 8:51:15 GMT
Someone mentioned on another thread yesterday that they thought Rooney should be dropped and I disagreed at the time. Having seen yet another disappointing display from him last night I have to say that he was right. Either Rooney can't play in Hodgson's system or he just can't do it on the big stage, but either way we need to get all of the old guard out and bring in the new.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 15, 2014 8:53:49 GMT
Moving Sterling to the wing and putting Rooney centrally in the second half was a mistake.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 15, 2014 9:07:00 GMT
I'd be tempted to play this up top for the remaining games -----------------Sturridge------------------- --------------------------------------------- Sterling---------Barklay --------Oxladie chamberlain id go -----------------Rooney------------------- --------------------------------------------- Wellbeck---------Sturridge --------Sterling Sturridge imo deserves to keep his place on merit, good finish last night & that classy goal in the world cup warm up, doesn't deserve to be dropped. If Rooney can't pull his weight anymore in his given position then stick him on the bench & dent his ego he might be better from the bench. He's got no given right to start when others are doing better in his preferred position. |
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 9:10:53 GMT
After the Peru game i thought the same. Honduras i will let all the players off as that was just a wierd match.
Last night Sturridge bar the goal was far too deep far too often. If thats where he wants to play, let him play there. Personally i hate this system full stop, but i have to agree with 1 thing, if Rooney isnt up top, then he shouldnt be on the pitch. so in that reguard i suppose Sturridge has the shirt and its up to Rooney to get it off him.
As much as i like Barkley, i just dont think he's the right player to start. Give it 2 years however and if he progresses well him and sterling will be rather good
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Post by slother on Jun 15, 2014 9:12:54 GMT
Another option would be to go full-Pulis and play Jones-Cahill-Smalling-Jagielka across the back. With our pacey dribbly wingers we don't need overlapping fullbacks as well. That won't happen though, and any defence with Jones and Smalling in it is probably as leaky the one last night was. With fullbacks: Hart
Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines
Milner Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Barkley
Sturridge Without fullbacks: Hart
Jones Cahill Smalling Jagielka
Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Barkley Lallana
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Post by adamsson on Jun 15, 2014 9:16:43 GMT
Rooney will play doesn't matter how badly
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 9:17:54 GMT
Rooney will play doesn't matter how badly To be honest, im more bothered about Gerrard playing than Rooney. Even playing poorly he doesnt kill the tempo like Gerrard does. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 15, 2014 9:22:23 GMT
I still feel Lambert has a big part to play yet.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 9:24:58 GMT
I still feel Lambert has a big part to play yet. last night was crying out for him. Idve taken sturridge off (he looked hurt to me) and put him up top, give people like Gerrard an co someone to aim for |
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Post by slother on Jun 15, 2014 9:28:10 GMT
Rooney will play doesn't matter how badly To be honest, im more bothered about Gerrard playing than Rooney. Even playing poorly he doesnt kill the tempo like Gerrard does. What was great about our first goal - and hasn't really been mentioned - was how when the ball came to Sterling in centre midfield he took a touch, then turned to face the opposition, saw the pass to Rooney and executed it to perfection. So many England midfielders of the last 20 years would have laid off a responsibility-shrugging square ball without even looking at goal or thinking "how can I hurt the opposition?" |
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 15, 2014 9:29:38 GMT
I still feel Lambert has a big part to play yet. lambert should have been used last night rather than wilshire |
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 9:31:17 GMT
To be honest, im more bothered about Gerrard playing than Rooney. Even playing poorly he doesnt kill the tempo like Gerrard does. What was great about our first goal - and hasn't really been mentioned - was how when the ball came to Sterling in centre midfield he took a touch, then turned to face the opposition, saw the pass to Rooney and executed it to perfection. So many England midfielders of the last 20 years would have laid off a responsibility-shrugging square ball without even looking at goal or thinking "how can I hurt the opposition?" Spot on, Sterling did it, Rooney wanted it and Sturridge saw it all going on. I think those 3 floating aroung all over up top could be a very good front 3. Finally got Stoke to stop putting players out of position, now its time for roy to do the same. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 15, 2014 9:32:27 GMT
the formation against uruguay will depend on the fitness of suarez . unless hodgson make special provision for him he could drag a poor side over the line
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Post by serpico on Jun 15, 2014 9:40:40 GMT
It's been a decade since rooney played well in a tournament, since then he has looked like a league 1 player who has somehow managed to wrangle himself a spot in the team, he looks slow, his touch is terrible and that cross is the only positive thing he's done in 3 tournaments worth of football, he was very average last night and was upstaged by the younger players.
Playing in the position he played in last night he was becoming a real liability, he needs dropping.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:45:47 GMT
He shouldn't but probably will. Gerrard reckons Rooney got us through qualification. I'd argue that getting through a 6-team group against the likes of Estonia, with hardly a goal conceded, isn't really World Class football. More regional minnow-whipping.
Get him on the big stage however....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:50:46 GMT
I'd forgotten saviour jack had come on until i heard him mentioned half hour after coming on.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 15, 2014 9:52:48 GMT
Yes, he'll look great against a weaker nation, then everyone will fall for the World Class bollocks again.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jun 15, 2014 10:08:22 GMT
I really cant understand the criticism at times. We didnt lose the game becaue of Rooney. Personally his cross to Sturridge on his weaker foot was the pass of the game for me, & our other best chance was from him,because he put himself in that position. There right back was outstanding all game, Henderson/Gerrard were so worried about Pirlo that they offer no protection to the back four or rooney down that left side. Apart from the goal last night what did Sturridge really do? Tried to be the hero to much.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 10:18:36 GMT
I really cant understand the criticism at times. We didnt lose the game becaue of Rooney. Personally his cross to Sturridge on his weaker foot was the pass of the game for me, & our other best chance was from him,because he put himself in that position. There right back was outstanding all game, Henderson/Gerrard were so worried about Pirlo that they offer no protection to the back four or rooney down that left side. Apart from the goal last night what did Sturridge really do? Tried to be the hero to much. Yup, I think anyone couldve predicted where the criticism would be thrown if we lost. Rooney, the back 4, then Hodgson. The fact that Gerrard did fuck all except slow everything to a pace that even pirlo couldve physically kept up with, Henderson for not noticing how much help Baines needed (a forward cannot be expected to be anything more than poor when marking players by his own box whilst still being far enough up the pitch to make a difference). Sturridge got a goal and made some runs into nowhere but apparantly is great. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jun 15, 2014 10:24:16 GMT
I really cant understand the criticism at times. We didnt lose the game becaue of Rooney. Personally his cross to Sturridge on his weaker foot was the pass of the game for me, & our other best chance was from him,because he put himself in that position. There right back was outstanding all game, Henderson/Gerrard were so worried about Pirlo that they offer no protection to the back four or rooney down that left side. Apart from the goal last night what did Sturridge really do? Tried to be the hero to much. Yup, I think anyone couldve predicted where the criticism would be thrown if we lost. Rooney, the back 4, then Hodgson. The fact that Gerrard did fuck all except slow everything to a pace that even pirlo couldve physically kept up with, Henderson for not noticing how much help Baines needed (a forward cannot be expected to be anything more than poor when marking players by his own box whilst still being far enough up the pitch to make a difference). Sturridge got a goal and made some runs into nowhere but apparantly is great. Yep Henderson should of offered Baines protection especially with his energy, apart from one or two balls , Gerrard was awful. Very harf for Rooney last night on that left wing but even Welbeck struggled when he came across. Sturridge took his goal well but doesnt pick his head up enough & look for better options. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 15, 2014 10:27:19 GMT
The only position I wold pick Rooney in is the central striker. However, he's not got Sturridge's energy, pace or eye-for-goal, therefore he should be back up for that position and not shoehorned in for the sake of it.
The front four for the Uruguay game has to be:
-------------Sturridge-------------
Welbeck------Barkley---------Sterling
Its a shame to move Sterling from the No.10 role, as he looks great there. Whichever combination of players you pick though, someone has to play on the right hand side.
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Post by craig67 on Jun 15, 2014 10:27:30 GMT
I'd forgotten saviour jack had come on until i heard him mentioned half hour after coming on. I'm not his greatest fan,but he only came on in the 73rd minute.  |
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