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Post by blamey on Jun 7, 2014 16:39:54 GMT
I’m currently conducting a research project regarding safe standing. The aim is to better understand the pros and cons of safe standing within football, public perception of safe standing and its practicality within the English game from a change management point of view. If you could take a couple of minutes to complete the survey that would be much appreciated. Thanks www.surveymonkey.com/s/8NLGBRH
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Post by luke45 on Jun 7, 2014 16:45:10 GMT
Done - good luck.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 7, 2014 17:07:52 GMT
For those with piles!
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Post by knuttonj24 on Jun 7, 2014 17:13:16 GMT
Done hope it goes well
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Post by stokietony on Jun 7, 2014 17:13:48 GMT
Done :-)
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Post by Gods on Jun 7, 2014 18:12:57 GMT
Must admit I'm not keen on the term 'safe standing'.
Words matter and it starts with the presumptive close that standing of itself is not safe.
Yet most of us can struggle up to the vertical and back down again without incident.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 7, 2014 18:18:18 GMT
Must admit I'm not keen on the term 'safe standing'. Words matter and it starts with the presumption that standing of itself is not safe. Yet most of us can struggle up to the vertical and back down again without incident. Exactly and worse than that it could be interpreted an attempt to cover over the real problem that has led to people loosing their lives by attending a football match. I know full well the people proposing this do not mean that to be the case but it is still irresponsible.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 7, 2014 18:21:38 GMT
I'm getting a "survey closed" message when I click on the link! It is a pity that everyone can't agree to use the name "rail seats" in place of safe standing. If we all used "rail seats" all the time then it would not be long before everyone knew what was meant. In a sense, "safe standing" has become too successful a phrase for its own good.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 7, 2014 18:28:44 GMT
I'm getting a "survey closed" message when I click on the link! It is a pity that everyone can't agree to use the name "rail seats" in place of safe standing. If we all used "rail seats" all the time then it would not be long before everyone knew what was meant. In a sense, "safe standing" has become too successful a phrase for its own good. Agree entirely, John.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 7, 2014 18:32:19 GMT
I'm getting a "survey closed" message when I click on the link! It is a pity that everyone can't agree to use the name "rail seats" in place of safe standing. If we all used "rail seats" all the time then it would not be long before everyone knew what was meant. In a sense, "safe standing" has become too successful a phrase for its own good. Agree entirely, John. Ok Mark, now you agree with me sort out the link so it works again!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 7, 2014 18:37:29 GMT
Link works fine. The survey has simple been closed by the author.
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Post by march4 on Jun 7, 2014 18:44:38 GMT
Link works fine. The survey has simple been closed by the author. Quite!
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 7, 2014 20:03:43 GMT
I'm all for safe standing areas, but only certain areas and obviously not the whole ground.
For me, football is too tense to be sitting down and much prefer standing at games.
Each to their own of course.
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Post by blamey on Jun 8, 2014 14:51:39 GMT
Thanks to everyone that participated, unfortunately Survey Monkey only allows 100 responses per survey. I have made another one if anyone else wishes to participate. Thanks James www.surveymonkey.com/s/L2JPWRC
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Post by blamey on Jun 8, 2014 14:55:33 GMT
Must admit I'm not keen on the term 'safe standing'. Words matter and it starts with the presumption that standing of itself is not safe. Yet most of us can struggle up to the vertical and back down again without incident. Exactly and worse than that it could be interpreted an attempt to cover over the real problem that has led to people loosing their lives by attending a football match. I know full well the people proposing this do not mean that to be the case but it is still irresponsible. I agree completely and it's part of the reason I'm doing the project, an element is dedicated to defining exactly what "Safe Standing" means. I was shocked to learn Bayern Munich's definition is to simply let people stand in seated areas without any railings or standing configurations, accident waiting to happen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 8, 2014 15:07:21 GMT
Exactly and worse than that it could be interpreted an attempt to cover over the real problem that has led to people loosing their lives by attending a football match. I know full well the people proposing this do not mean that to be the case but it is still irresponsible. I agree completely and it's part of the reason I'm doing the project, an element is dedicated to defining exactly what "Safe Standing" means. I was shocked to learn Bayern Munich's definition is to simply let people stand in seated areas without any railings or standing configurations, accident waiting to happen. Dunnit. You should really widen some of the questions a bit. For example, I much prefer to stand at away games - the atmosphere is better and I'd love continuous rails to make the experience safer. But I'm happy to have my home season ticket in a seated area - even if I had the choice. At 68 I don't know for how many years I will be able to stand all game and I would not want to move if/when I can no longer stand. You could also ask what people's ideas are of what would a reasonable price be for standing areas. How much cheaper (if any) should it be than a seat with a comparable view. For example, if the area behind one goal was standing - should it be cheaper (and if so by how much) than seats at the opposite end of the ground?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 8, 2014 15:17:24 GMT
I think a big argument for 'safe standing' is that it should bring the price of 'PL' football within reach of the working and non working classes. The middle classiseation of football has always been wrong and has been indicative and symptomatic of a society dominated by the middle class. I spent most of my young days standing in the wind and rain at 'The Stoke End' because dad wouldn't contemplate spending good money going in 'The Butler Street Stand'. Never did me any harm and never needed a shampoo for months!
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