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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:06:29 GMT
Just seen this appalling headline in the Mirror ( Left on the train ) written by John Cross of jcross@trinitymirror.com feel free to add to the note i have just sent but i really think we are at a stage where the club and supporters need to act
- mirror & trinity group should be banned from the ground
- supporters encouraged not to buy it etc
He is known on talkspot as " close to Arsenal " and candidly this is abuse of position that deserves bringing to book its disgusting
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Post by Gods on May 19, 2014 19:09:20 GMT
I believe I am right in saying that journalists do not write their own headings for their articles.
The headings are the job of the editor.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 19, 2014 19:16:59 GMT
It is a play on the words "Shawshank Redemption" - a fairly obvious one I would have thought - I'm sure I've seen it used before several times. To be honest I don't find it objectionable and I can't comment on the article it sits above, as I have no idea what it says. For the illiterate amongst our readers link |
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Post by jmst4 on May 19, 2014 19:18:20 GMT
I believe I am right in saying that journalists do not write their own headings for their articles. The headings are the job of the editor. You're bang on. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:29:11 GMT
I know its a pla on words i know its an editor but the owner is Mr Cross , and its a cheap shot so for info here is my reply
John
What a pathetic abuse of position ,to attempt to continue to slur a decent young man ,years after an accident because the adrenaline of an Arsenal win so long awaited by one of their biggest supporters made you lose all sense of decency and professional integrity
Hang your head in shame , it is a scandalous abuse of position , and disregard for the supposed impartiality of the media , let alone blatantly incendiary large print of fuelling the feeling between the two clubs , presumably you will reflect on that before making judgments next season when ill judged gestures from certain players or hostile responses make the news fuelled by your complete lack of judgement or disregard of the true nature of the original incident as judged by Hanson ,Shearer , Ferguson and Gerrard
Mr Ramsay may indeed be a favoured son and many wish him well , but to lose all site of your own duty of care and responsibility and to abuse the opportunity granted you in such a privileged position is contemptible and unforgivable , have you considered that on the other side of your myopic view are a family of a decent young man , father and son who has no right of reply accept on the pitch and who after having an apology denied , has chosen to conduct a dignified silence over a period of years other than outstanding displays on the field of play .
One does wonder if you would be so gun ho if the media reports are correct and he is wearing a top 4 shirt next season you and i both know the answer .
Your a man with a decent reputation , who wears his Arsenal badge with normally admirable frankness but in this case it has produced writing not fit for the lowest gutter journalism
I repeat hang your head in shame or seize the moment and apologise to the Shawcross family in similar bold print
Regards
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 19, 2014 19:30:11 GMT
What's the article about? Pegleg?
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Post by Olgrligm on May 19, 2014 19:31:07 GMT
John Cross usually has a great many unpleasant things to say about us. He's another of the London press corps who don't like football, but like to be seen at the same restaurants as Arsenal players. I'm not sure why he's in a job really. I certainly don't see what qualifies him to have his opinions put on a pedestal as if they are more worthy than those of any other sports fan. The same goes for Martin Samuel, Patrick Collins and all the other self styled celebrity journalists.
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2014 19:36:37 GMT
Just seen this appalling headline in the Mirror ( Left on the train ) written by John Cross of jcross@trinitymirror.com feel free to add to the note i have just sent but i really think we are at a stage where the club and supporters need to act - mirror & trinity group should be banned from the ground - supporters encouraged not to buy it etc He is known on talkspot as " close to Arsenal " and candidly this is abuse of position that deserves bringing to book its disgusting We are not Liverpool Let it go, we know the truth |
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Post by partickpotter on May 19, 2014 19:37:37 GMT
I know its a pla on words i know its an editor but the owner is Mr Cross , and its a cheap shot so for info here is my reply John What a pathetic abuse of position ,to attempt to continue to slur a decent young man ,years after an accident because the adrenaline of an Arsenal win so long awaited by one of their biggest supporters made you lose all sense of decency and professional integrity Hang your head in shame , it is a scandalous abuse of position , and disregard for the supposed impartiality of the media , let alone blatantly incendiary large print of fuelling the feeling between the two clubs , presumably you will reflect on that before making judgments next season when ill judged gestures from certain players or hostile responses make the news fuelled by your complete lack of judgement or disregard of the true nature of the original incident as judged by Hanson ,Shearer , Ferguson and Gerrard Mr Ramsay may indeed be a favoured son and many wish him well , but to lose all site of your own duty of care and responsibility and to abuse the opportunity granted you in such a privileged position is contemptible and unforgivable , have you considered that on the other side of your myopic view are a family of a decent young man , father and son who has no right of reply accept on the pitch and who after having an apology denied , has chosen to conduct a dignified silence over a period of years other than outstanding displays on the field of play . One does wonder if you would be so gun ho if the media reports are correct and he is wearing a top 4 shirt next season you and i both know the answer . Your a man with a decent reputation , who wears his Arsenal badge with normally admirable frankness but in this case it has produced writing not fit for the lowest gutter journalism I repeat hang your head in shame or seize the moment and apologise to the Shawcross family in similar bold print Regards Don't bother - you're just feeding his ego. |
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Post by kevkj on May 19, 2014 19:40:01 GMT
tried to send this,but bounced back.
What a pathetic headline that was,it was four years ago for gods sake ,Scores of players have broken there legs since including two stoke players.
You should be ashamed,whilst what happened to Ramsey was unfortunate,you and your ilk would have destroyed a lesser man than Shawcross.
Looks like my Daily Mirror buying days are over until they get rid of scum like you.
Regards Kev
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 19, 2014 19:40:17 GMT
Cracking film mind - one of the best ever made me thinks
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Post by kevkj on May 19, 2014 19:46:09 GMT
j.cross@trinitymirror.com
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Post by dazzler on May 19, 2014 19:47:05 GMT
Shawcross and Ramsey..... Is there some history between these two? I can't seem to remember anything eventful and the media don't drag this up at every opportunity
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Post by unknown182 on May 19, 2014 19:48:41 GMT
He probably enjoys the attention when he gets hate mail.
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Post by kevkj on May 19, 2014 19:51:18 GMT
j.cross@trinitymirror.com
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 19, 2014 19:52:38 GMT
The article just referred to the challenge without the usual 'horror' prefixing it. The headline and obligatory picture though are typical weasley pathetic Mirror Sport tactics.
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Post by YounginStoke on May 19, 2014 19:54:12 GMT
I personally believe that our own fans actually contribute to the continual dragging up of the Shawcross/Ramsey, if a journalist writes about Ramsey and include the Shawcross incident in their report, then certain stoke fans on twitter just lambast them and they don't really give a positive impression of stoke fans as whole. Yes I understand the fact that journalists shouldn't really include the Shawcross incident in their reports anymore (and this mirror one is a poor one that goes into too much detail with the heading) but if stoke fans just left it alone and don't retaliate to certain newspaper reports on twitter and whatever else, this would certainly help to it being mentioned less within the press
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:55:47 GMT
Can do hate mail but hopefully a bit of coherent condemnation might draw him out .
Regardless i feel better for defending our man not that he needs it
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 19:57:45 GMT
Can do hate mail but hopefully a bit of coherent condemnation might draw him out .
Regardless i feel better for defending our man not that he needs it
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Post by wuzza on May 19, 2014 20:22:15 GMT
Whenever I have heard John Cross speak on the radio he has been nothing but complimentary about Stoke in general and TP in particular. For an Arsenal man he seems relatively sane.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 20:23:35 GMT
I blame Coates as much as anyone for not putting a stop to this shit years ago.
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Post by madasasnake on May 19, 2014 20:24:26 GMT
Hi Benjamin,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I couldn't agree more with you last contribution.
I know it won't be of any real consequence or assistance, but here was my effort:
Dear Sir,
The Headline for your Ramsey article was as ill considered as it was offensive.
Arsene Wenger, supported by the media, such as yourself, has already denied England the services of probably it's best current centre-half in Brazil.
How wonderful it must be, to continually blight the career and future of a hugely talented, respectable and honest footballer, from a position such as yours. If only we were all so fortunate to have such power to abuse.
Arsene Wenger has perpetuated this myth for years in the hope of persuading referees to fall more readily for the antics that he virtually single-handedly introduced into the Premier League; namely feigning injury and cheating, as it used to be called. I appreciate that it is now so widespread that we have such expressions as "He was entitled to go down" and "He won a penalty", but those of us who are old enough remember where that started. Most football fans expect such comments from Managers these days and generally ignore it, which in itself is a sad indictment of the state of the game in England. But to see it echoed in the Press is both astonishing and outrageous.
There was not a single professional pundit who criticised Shawcross at the time and you probably don't recall because although you are a self-confessed Arsenal fan, like most who are vocal on this subject, I doubt you were there, that the referee did not even give a foul until a few minutes after the incident. Shawcross was sent off because of the injury, not because of the foul. If you have any desire for facts, which as a Daily Mirror journalist, I doubt, you might like to watch the video again. Ramsey was completely out of control and in the air in the seconds before impact. If Shawcross had suffered the injury, Ramsey would have been sent off. That might have been better for all concerned, because Shawcross would have got on with it and he would not have been instructed by Tony Pulis not to accept the inevitable apology, as Ramsey was by Wenger. In other words, it would now be forgotten.
Arsenal have finally won something and congratulations to them and you, but to still feel the need to malign Shawcross whenever Ramsey achieves something is pathetic in the extreme.
It won't matter to you but he is a young man, who many of out current crop of professionals could learn a great deal from. He has two young children, who by the time of your next headline, will probably be at a school, no doubt inhabited by a number of glory hunting fans who, assisted by articles like yours, will probably abuse them.
I don't imagine that you will read this email, let alone take any notice of it, but it would be nice to think that if you do, you might at least want to congratulate Ramsey on his next inevitable success, without reference to Shawcross.
It is articles and headlines like yours that have completely rewritten history insofar as this incident is concerned.
I can't honestly say that I will stop buying the Daily Mirror because of your article; I never have read it and I never would.
I prefer to read something written by somebody who understands the subject that they are writing about.
Yours faithfully
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 20:26:08 GMT
Some of our fans just make things 10x worse..
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2014 20:47:12 GMT
I agree that it is Stoke fans who are culpable here too
Mindless booing of Ramsey just aggravates this situation and keeps the story running.
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 19, 2014 20:48:35 GMT
I've just had the misfortune to read the full headline,
"Ramsey: The Shawcross Redemption"
"Nobody deserved FA cup success more than
brave Welsh wonder after his slow, painful
but ultimately glorious recovery from
THAT career threatening injury"
Like my Arse, Daily Mirror. Like my fat hairy arse.
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Post by ST5-POTTER on May 19, 2014 20:55:17 GMT
Stoke should just take a hard line and ban them from the Brit full stop. This isn't this first time this shit rag if a paper had whipped up Ramsey / Shawcross shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 20:59:18 GMT
Top effort mad as a snake
Each to their own for those who think we make or worse , by objecting .
I shall however confine to make my feeling a know when the fa cup winners visit the Britannia in afar more vociferous less pleasant manner and feel entirely justified. In doing so
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Post by Olgrligm on May 19, 2014 21:00:06 GMT
I agree that it is Stoke fans who are culpable here too Mindless booing of Ramsey just aggravates this situation and keeps the story running. Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Which mindless booing was this? Was it when he got a standing ovation as he left the pitch with a broken leg? Was it when Arsenal played at the Brit and he took exactly as much jeering as everything single other Arsenal player? It's another silly media myth. |
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on May 19, 2014 21:06:36 GMT
shawshank redemption is on itv2 now
superb film you must watch
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Post by jmst4 on May 19, 2014 21:12:44 GMT
Free country, free press. They want to sell papers and so they tact on a 'witty' headline. Don't buy, don't read it and don't take it to heart.
The Daily Mirror, and they aren't alone, frequently underestimate the mental capacity of their readership with shoddy journalism and lazy feature musings. This is on a daily basis and on all fronts.
Its just another footnote in the Premier League pantomime.
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