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Post by salopstick on May 13, 2014 13:15:09 GMT
tone has deserved this, there are only a handful of PREM managers who come out of this season with any credit tone hughes rodgers martinez pelligrini pocchino (SP) based on the criteria of "in their opinion and regardless of the status of his club, has made the greatest use of the resources available to him in the current season." you could make an argument for any of them I am very happy for hughes to stay under the radar going about his business - we know how good he is This,although despite Hull's late form tailing off,i'd be inclined to include Steve Bruce as well. agreed
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 13:36:38 GMT
If Hull win the FA cup then Bruce probably would deserve it. Comfortably surviving and reaching the final with all the unrest about the name change going on is some achievement
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 13:43:37 GMT
Absolutely, mate. I've just said on Twitter that it seems strange now he's at a London club he is getting so much praise for basically doing exactly what he did here. i don't get why people still say this pretty much every pundit and journo (and plenty of neutrals including virtually everyone i know) who praises him nowadays has been asked this already and explained that they DIDN'T slag TP off in our first season at all, in fact most praised him for keeping us up. if he's still playing the same way at Palace in 2 or 3 years with no progression or seeming intent to adapt and change then these journos will have their knives out just as much as they did for the last 3 or 4 years with us as will the Palace fans (in fact some of them did half way through this season because of the football on show). it WASN'T the style he played that was the problem initially, it was the fact that he didn't do anything other than that for over 5 years despite having the financial resources to do so that pissed people off and rightly so in my opinion. not taking anything away from his accolade here; it's fully deserved and i'm glad he won but let's not carry on this paranoia when it's perfectly clear and obvious to everyone what the differences are. There were quite a lot of journalists and other clubs' supporters who were fair in our first season, but surely you must remember all the hate directed at us and Pulis, pub team, disgrace to the premier league etc. I've not seen or heard anything like that aimed at Palace. It isnt paranoia, Big Sam is a better example, he may be hated by the West Ham fans but he doesnt get much stick from the media compared to his Blackburn and Bolton days when he did far better.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 14:05:34 GMT
i don't get why people still say this pretty much every pundit and journo (and plenty of neutrals including virtually everyone i know) who praises him nowadays has been asked this already and explained that they DIDN'T slag TP off in our first season at all, in fact most praised him for keeping us up. if he's still playing the same way at Palace in 2 or 3 years with no progression or seeming intent to adapt and change then these journos will have their knives out just as much as they did for the last 3 or 4 years with us as will the Palace fans (in fact some of them did half way through this season because of the football on show). it WASN'T the style he played that was the problem initially, it was the fact that he didn't do anything other than that for over 5 years despite having the financial resources to do so that pissed people off and rightly so in my opinion. not taking anything away from his accolade here; it's fully deserved and i'm glad he won but let's not carry on this paranoia when it's perfectly clear and obvious to everyone what the differences are. There were quite a lot of journalists and other clubs' supporters who were fair in our first season, but surely you must remember all the hate directed at us and Pulis, pub team, disgrace to the premier league etc. I've not seen or heard anything like that aimed at Palace. It isnt paranoia, Big Sam is a better example, he may be hated by the West Ham fans but he doesnt get much stick from the media compared to his Blackburn and Bolton days when he did far better. so you missed the part where i said "if he's still playing the same way at Palace in 2 or 3 years with no progression or seeming intent to adapt and change then these journos will have their knives out just as much as they did for the last 3 or 4 years with us" then? THAT'S the difference....what he has done this year is remarkable as it was with us first season and he received plaudits then as well. it's not the fact that he played like that and kept us up the first year that ANYONE had a problem with. it's the fact that despite having plenty of money to evolve us and adapt us to the Prem he continued with that style for year after year with no intention of ever progressing. THAT'S why he DIDN'T get slagged off the first year with us and hasn't for Palace. if Palace are still doing this in 3 years then the media will slate just as much as he did when he was with us (sorry for having to re-type that but you obviously missed the 75% of my post that explained why it ISN'T some pathetic, small time minded conspiracy which, frankly is beyond tiresome now........) why look at facts and actual reasons when we can just make shit up to have a whinge eh? we just had a bloody brilliant season and people still seem to be far happier to dredge shit up like this so they can continue this bullshit instead...only on the fucking Oatcake!!! P.S. not aimed at you personally mate, just wish some could bloody lighten up a bit and actually concentrate on how WE did this year instead of finding reasons to bloody complain about everything else.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 13, 2014 14:44:29 GMT
It's a miracle and only one TP could have done.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on May 13, 2014 14:47:10 GMT
Pulis out
Hughes in
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 13, 2014 15:01:43 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on May 13, 2014 15:12:19 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so. ????
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 13, 2014 20:23:02 GMT
Rogers got most votes from all 92 clubs. Pulis got most votes from all 20 PL clubs This is clearly what has happened. If you have a different electorate you are liable to get different results. Personally, I'm surprised that TP didn't win the overall award with Rogers winning the Prem award - but either way is fine. In their differing ways they probably both deserve a prize and that is what happened. No it isn't, John. Nobody on this thread has got it right, but I'm not at all surprised because it is very confusing, and the media hasn't explained it. First, there are the LMA awards - voted for by managers and no-one else. There is an award for each division and an overall award. Rogers won both the PL award and the overall award. All those awards are sponsored by Barclays, which is where the confusion partly comes in. They were all presented at the LMA dinner last night. Completely separately,but also presented at the LMA dinner last night, is the Barclays PL manager of the season. This is voted for by a panel of about 30, which each month awards the Player and Manager of the month for the PL, and then does the Player and Manager of the season. The panel is mostly football journalists/commentators but I am on it, as are a few other non-journos e.g reps of the LMA and the PFA. That panel gave the award to Pulis. So, in summary, the Managers gave it to Rogers, the journos and a few odds and sods like me, gave it to Pulis. I voted for TP, and for Suarez, so both my choices won it, which doesn't often happen. I toyed between TP and Rogers, and if Liverpool had won the title, I might have gone for Rogers, but they didn't, and I'm delighted TP won it.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 13, 2014 20:26:20 GMT
This is clearly what has happened. If you have a different electorate you are liable to get different results. Personally, I'm surprised that TP didn't win the overall award with Rogers winning the Prem award - but either way is fine. In their differing ways they probably both deserve a prize and that is what happened. No it isn't, John. Nobody on this thread has got it right, but I'm not at all surprised because it is very confusing, and the media hasn't explained it. First, there are the LMA awards - voted for by managers and no-one else. There is an award for each division and an overall award. Rogers won both the PL award and the overall award. All those awards are sponsored by Barclays, which is where the confusion partly comes in. They were all presented at the LMA dinner last night. Completely separately,but also presented at the LMA dinner last night, is the Barclays PL manager of the season. This is voted for by a panel of about 30, which each month awards the Player and Manager of the month for the PL, and then does the Player and Manager of the season. The panel is mostly football journalists/commentators but I am on it, as are a few other non-journos e.g reps of the LMA and the PFA. That panel gave the award to Pulis. So, in summary, the Managers gave it to Rogers, the journos and a few odds and sods like me, gave it to Pulis. I voted for TP, and for Suarez, so both my choices won it, which doesn't often happen. I toyed between TP and Rogers, and if Liverpool had won the title, I might have gone for Rogers, but they didn't, and I'm delighted TP won it. Incredibly, I think that may be contrary to every single post and article I've read on the matter!
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Post by bassmaster on May 13, 2014 20:30:11 GMT
Voted for Suarez? Fuck me, disgusting.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 13, 2014 20:40:01 GMT
Voted for Suarez? Fuck me, disgusting. I think that's a little strong bassmaster. The award is for the best player, nothing else, and I think he has been the best player in the PL this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 20:41:19 GMT
The Legend. Only word I can think of. It's actually two words mate.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 13, 2014 20:50:19 GMT
Voted for Suarez? Fuck me, disgusting. I think that's a little strong bassmaster. The award is for the best player, nothing else, and I think he has been the best player in the PL this season. Mmmm - I'm obviously not cut out to be a judge on a football panel. Given Suarez and his past history (of racist remarks and diving) I could never bring myself to vote for him to get player of the year - even though I accept that he has been the best player. You are obviously made of sterner stuff than me, Malcolm! PS - technically, I was right - there was a different constituency and electorate for the two votes - even though I was not aware of what the electorate actually was for the vote TP won.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 13, 2014 20:55:32 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so. When it comes to fools being proved wrong you have some expertise. Putting that to one side it is indeed a well deserved recognition for the job done at Palarse. It stands comparison with the excellent work done here in the first season of his first spell.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 13, 2014 21:01:03 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so. When it comes to fools being proved wrong you have some expertise. Putting that to one side it is indeed a well deserved recognition for the job done at Palarse. It stands comparison with the excellent work done here in the first season of his first spell. As I have said many times, I am very happy that Hughes has proved me wrong. He has done a very good job in the 2nd half of the season. I will give him credit for that no matter what I might think of him. At least I am prepared to admit I was wrong (for now) which is more than the phw who still give Mr Pulis shit on this very thread. Very sad indeed.
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Post by march4 on May 13, 2014 21:03:34 GMT
Well done TP.
Let's hope LMH wins it next year!
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Post by jonnynico on May 13, 2014 21:08:46 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so. and some do the same to hughes after best position in prem and most points, funny old world aint it
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Post by march4 on May 13, 2014 21:09:09 GMT
Well done TP.
Let's hope LMH wins it next year!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 13, 2014 21:10:26 GMT
I find it funny and sad in equal measure when some just can't help but to have a dig at the bloke. Tony Pulis. Proving fools wrong since joining Stoke City FC and continuing to do so. and some do the same to hughes after best position in prem and most points, funny old world aint it I've not had a dig at him mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 21:13:01 GMT
Hughes did a better job here. Agreed 100%
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 13, 2014 21:14:51 GMT
I think that's a little strong bassmaster. The award is for the best player, nothing else, and I think he has been the best player in the PL this season. Mmmm - I'm obviously not cut out to be a judge on a football panel. Given Suarez and his past history (of racist remarks and diving) I could never bring myself to vote for him to get player of the year - even though I accept that he has been the best player. You are obviously made of sterner stuff than me, Malcolm! PS - technically, I was right - there was a different constituency and electorate for the two votes - even though I was not aware of what the electorate actually was for the vote TP won. Half way through the season we had our first ever FSF awards evening and had our player of the year ( not season) voted for by members on our website. Suarez won that, so I could mount a defence of representing our members He showed up with his wife to receive it in person, which many didn't expect; agreed to sign autographs and pose in photos so there was a queue at his table which must have meant he hardly had time to eat his meal and was charming and modest in his acceptance speech. You are of course right about his past history, but hopefully it will remain as history and I get the impression that he has been trying to rehabilitate himself.
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Post by Bombus on May 13, 2014 23:24:36 GMT
The Legend. Only word I can think of. It's actually two words mate. Math, and everything that comes with it, has always fucked me over, Sid.
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Post by countofmontecristo on May 14, 2014 5:56:03 GMT
tone has deserved this, there are only a handful of PREM managers who come out of this season with any credit tone hughes rodgers martinez pelligrini pocchino (SP) based on the criteria of "in their opinion and regardless of the status of his club, has made the greatest use of the resources available to him in the current season." you could make an argument for any of them I am very happy for hughes to stay under the radar going about his business - we know how good he is What about Poyet ? Took over as big a basket-case as TP from an even bigger fruitloop, saving them from relegation, despite being rock bottom at Christmas (only the second time that's happened) and in the same season guiding them to one major cup final and a quarter-final.......yet barely gets a mention come awards time! (Across the media in general - not having a pop at you Salop) Strange .....or am I missing something?!
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Post by elystokie on May 14, 2014 6:11:47 GMT
tone has deserved this, there are only a handful of PREM managers who come out of this season with any credit tone hughes rodgers martinez pelligrini pocchino (SP) based on the criteria of "in their opinion and regardless of the status of his club, has made the greatest use of the resources available to him in the current season." you could make an argument for any of them I am very happy for hughes to stay under the radar going about his business - we know how good he is What about Poyet ? Took over as big a basket-case as TP from an even bigger fruitloop, saving them from relegation, despite being rock bottom at Christmas (only the second time that's happened) and in the same season guiding them to one major cup final and a quarter-final.......yet barely gets a mention come awards time! (Across the board - not having a pop at you Salop) Strange .....or am I missing something?! If you're missing it then I am too. Sunderland were dead and buried, 11/1 ON to get relegated at one point, gobsmacked he's been completely ignored.
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Post by bassmaster on May 14, 2014 7:36:02 GMT
Voted for Suarez? Fuck me, disgusting. I think that's a little strong bassmaster. The award is for the best player, nothing else, and I think he has been the best player in the PL this season. Supporting racist cheats? You are out of touch mate.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 14, 2014 7:54:29 GMT
This is clearly what has happened. If you have a different electorate you are liable to get different results. Personally, I'm surprised that TP didn't win the overall award with Rogers winning the Prem award - but either way is fine. In their differing ways they probably both deserve a prize and that is what happened. No it isn't, John. Nobody on this thread has got it right, but I'm not at all surprised because it is very confusing, and the media hasn't explained it. First, there are the LMA awards - voted for by managers and no-one else. There is an award for each division and an overall award. Rogers won both the PL award and the overall award. All those awards are sponsored by Barclays, which is where the confusion partly comes in. They were all presented at the LMA dinner last night. Completely separately,but also presented at the LMA dinner last night, is the Barclays PL manager of the season. This is voted for by a panel of about 30, which each month awards the Player and Manager of the month for the PL, and then does the Player and Manager of the season. The panel is mostly football journalists/commentators but I am on it, as are a few other non-journos e.g reps of the LMA and the PFA. That panel gave the award to Pulis. So, in summary, the Managers gave it to Rogers, the journos and a few odds and sods like me, gave it to Pulis. I voted for TP, and for Suarez, so both my choices won it, which doesn't often happen. I toyed between TP and Rogers, and if Liverpool had won the title, I might have gone for Rogers, but they didn't, and I'm delighted TP won it. so Hughes didn't help Pulis win anything and the sentinel story is misinformed bunkum
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 14, 2014 7:57:10 GMT
Do we know who came second and third in the PL vote by the managers - or was there never an announcement on that?
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Post by Kjones9 on May 14, 2014 7:58:13 GMT
Well done Mr Pulis. He should have had it much earlier than he has. "He will never get another job in the prem"! Lol. Mark Hughes will fail and we'll all want him out, mega lulz, lmao, and other mindless text phrases. Well done Tony.
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Post by salopstick on May 14, 2014 8:25:11 GMT
i dont think poyet has done anything really
he took over a team of some really good players who were in a false position due to the last idiot in charge.
he benefitted from an amazing mini run at the end and three teams who were absolute dog shite, the fact he finished 5 points above relegation is all meaningless after norwich were relegated. Norwich banked on sacking hughton and benefitting from new manager syndrome to beat fulham, had they done this sunderland would have been cut adrift and that mini run probably would not have happened not have happened
the final day fixtures which bump sunderland up the table and make their position look better than what they are the obligatory stoke win at brom, and a hull team preparing for the cup final and the norwich team effectively relegated.
to be fair to poyet he has kept them up but it is more circumstances elsewhere than his genius
i expect his sunderland team next year to have a similar season to hull or villa - not pulling up trees but just about keeping heads above water
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