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Post by silverdollar on May 13, 2014 14:05:21 GMT
When you have a good set of players it is the time to get even better players. This season's ninth place finish will make our club more attractive to the better foreign players. Even if the club decides to sign Assaidi I think we should consider trying to get Zaha. I think he is definitely yet to reach his full potential. Trying to get a quality striker who has pace is going to be expensive. I hope Hughes can unearth a gem. I would like to see Stoke sign a quality natural attacking right back. Cameron is not a natural but an excellent Utility player. Finally I would like to see a new centre half of international status. Top those signings off with two excellent loan players from top sides and I think we will kick on to seventh or eight place in the league.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 13, 2014 15:29:41 GMT
So, five signings and two loans, plus Assaidi. Good luck with that.
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Post by agingerstokie on May 13, 2014 15:32:45 GMT
Think 4 is what we'll get
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Post by arnieforpresident on May 13, 2014 17:20:03 GMT
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Diouf - Hannover Guidetti - all he needs is games, look at Assiadi when he first started to get games & look at him now Scott Parker - another for Whelan's position. Zaha - Up & Coming with tricks and pace. Victor Moses - should be looking for afresh start having not made an impact at Liverpool or Chelsea Jack Rodwell Assaidi
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Crouch Palacios
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Post by hoopty on May 13, 2014 17:48:03 GMT
Deadweights that need to go are: Palacios, Edu, Shea, Kightly, Shotton, Ness and Jerome.
Playing a 4-3-3 doesn't really suit JW so Hughes might ship him, but even if the front three are interchangeable (a bit) we probably need one striker and two wingers. We've lost Ethers, Pennant and (currently) Assaidi and really need to beef that area up.
I'd be happy if we keep the rest of the squad in all honesty so we should only be looking for replacements if players go. The bench is already filling with Muniesa (who I like more and more and can cover any of the back positions), Butland/Sorro and the two new signings.
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Post by arnieforpresident on May 14, 2014 12:59:43 GMT
Aleksandr Kerzhakov could be a good move for us looking for a goalscorer, Don't know how much he earns at Zenit but his contract is running low and he is 31, quick with a very good goal record.
Nick Powell, I'd like us to try to sign him if only to loan him back to the Championship for a couple of season like we have with Butland, definatly one for the future.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 14, 2014 13:01:48 GMT
Not getting all the fuss regarding Diouf. If we didn't sign him then it wouldn't bother me overly.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 13:05:31 GMT
Not getting all the fuss regarding Diouf. If we didn't sign him then it wouldn't bother me overly. The fuss is he has a great goal scoring record in one of the top leagues in the world and we could get him on a free transfer.
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Post by superscfc on May 14, 2014 13:36:56 GMT
Aleksandr Kerzhakov could be a good move for us looking for a goalscorer, Don't know how much he earns at Zenit but his contract is running low and he is 31, quick with a very good goal record. Nick Powell, I'd like us to try to sign him if only to loan him back to the Championship for a couple of season like we have with Butland, definatly one for the future. Always been a fan of Kerzhakov myself, would be an improvement on Crouch, he'd demand high wages I'd imagine so I'd be looking elsewhere
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 14, 2014 13:57:27 GMT
The fact that he hasn't tried Ryan Shotton at RB even when G-Cam's looked a bit knackered suggests he just doesn't fancy him. So I would like to see a young(ish) natural RB.
WD mentions a striker in the Lukaku/Bony mould. Both of those would be the best part of £20m, so I can't see that happening. I'm not sure we can match Diouf's wage demands. This is the key position. Maybe Guidetti will come good if he gets fit?
Other than that, try to keep Bego, and maybe have a look at Redmond.
I don't get the calls for Sidwell or another CB, and names like Moses, Zaha and Richards just sound pie in the sky to me.
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Post by ruts66 on May 14, 2014 14:19:06 GMT
There's more strikers in the Lukaku/Bony/Diouf mould out there in Euroland and I'd be staggered if the club hasn't already identified a few targets in France, Belgium, Holland, etc...
Spain, Germany and Italy probably too inflated for us unless it's an Arnie-style gamble...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 14:26:02 GMT
The fact that he hasn't tried Ryan Shotton at RB even when G-Cam's looked a bit knackered suggests he just doesn't fancy him. So I would like to see a young(ish) natural RB. WD mentions a striker in the Lukaku/Bony mould. Both of those would be the best part of £20m, so I can't see that happening. I'm not sure we can match Diouf's wage demands. This is the key position. Maybe Guidetti will come good if he gets fit? Other than that, try to keep Bego, and maybe have a look at Redmond. I don't get the calls for Sidwell or another CB, and names like Moses, Zaha and Richards just sound pie in the sky to me. Neither Benteke not Bony were anywhere near £20m were they? Guidetti has done nothing to be worth a contract.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on May 14, 2014 14:33:21 GMT
An option at RB would be to bring through Kevin Gomez-Nieto from the U21s, we made a big fuss to get him from PSV two years ago. Surely with Wilko and Shotton not being good enough, we can bring a couple of kids through and spend a bigger amount on a couple of players rather than that amount on 5-6 potentially
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 14, 2014 15:53:14 GMT
The fact that he hasn't tried Ryan Shotton at RB even when G-Cam's looked a bit knackered suggests he just doesn't fancy him. So I would like to see a young(ish) natural RB. WD mentions a striker in the Lukaku/Bony mould. Both of those would be the best part of £20m, so I can't see that happening. I'm not sure we can match Diouf's wage demands. This is the key position. Maybe Guidetti will come good if he gets fit? Other than that, try to keep Bego, and maybe have a look at Redmond. I don't get the calls for Sidwell or another CB, and names like Moses, Zaha and Richards just sound pie in the sky to me. Neither Benteke not Bony were anywhere near £20m were they? Guidetti has done nothing to be worth a contract. Yep, but I guess the trick is finding them before they make it in The Prem. Are we relying on Hughesy to do that or Cartwright and the Beswicks boys?
For every Benteke and Bony, presumably there is a Cornelius and Zigic.
I'm also with you on Guidetti, but MH must have seen something in him. He went to a lot of trouble to push through the Ireland deal to take him on loan.
Still going to be the hardest and most high risk position to fill. Get that one right and we've got a decent side.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 14, 2014 16:08:54 GMT
Benteke was £7 million and Bony either £12 or £14 million.
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Post by unknown182 on May 14, 2014 16:39:10 GMT
I rate Jonathan Williams from Palace. He's been on loan at Ipswich this season but i think he's got great potential.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 16:55:13 GMT
Neither Benteke not Bony were anywhere near £20m were they? Guidetti has done nothing to be worth a contract. Yep, but I guess the trick is finding them before they make it in The Prem. Are we relying on Hughesy to do that or Cartwright and the Beswicks boys?
For every Benteke and Bony, presumably there is a Cornelius and Zigic.
I'm also with you on Guidetti, but MH must have seen something in him. He went to a lot of trouble to push through the Ireland deal to take him on loan.
Still going to be the hardest and most high risk position to fill. Get that one right and we've got a decent side.
I think they all have an input. I'm sure Arnie and Muniesa were Sparky buys. Pieters seems to have been a Carto job. Yeah we're going to have to take a punt on someone from abroad, it's a gamble, but the aforementioned players shows they do come off. What's the alternative?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 14, 2014 20:19:28 GMT
Yep, but I guess the trick is finding them before they make it in The Prem. Are we relying on Hughesy to do that or Cartwright and the Beswicks boys?
For every Benteke and Bony, presumably there is a Cornelius and Zigic.
I'm also with you on Guidetti, but MH must have seen something in him. He went to a lot of trouble to push through the Ireland deal to take him on loan.
Still going to be the hardest and most high risk position to fill. Get that one right and we've got a decent side.
I think they all have an input. I'm sure Arnie and Muniesa were Sparky buys. Pieters seems to have been a Carto job. Yeah we're going to have to take a punt on someone from abroad, it's a gamble, but the aforementioned players shows they do come off. What's the alternative? Another gamble that costs about £15m and £50k a week more.
Realistically the days of signing a proven Prem striker are gone. We're out on fee and salary.
I think the Guidetti loan is a good indicator of where we are. Taking a chance on a lower cost hope with potential. And that is fair enough. Arnie and Muni have shown that this policy can bear fruit.
If not, its another loan for a promising youngster at one of the big clubs.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 14, 2014 20:56:59 GMT
A striker and a winger are most important! If these two are of good quality I would get rid of both Crouch (£2M) and Jerome (£2M). I would also get rid of Shea (if possible?), Kights (has he gone?), Ethers (will go), Edu (will go), Ness (if possible), Shotton and even Wilko (got a new contract I presume?). If we bring in Sidwell or any other central midfielder I would sell Palacios too (£2M).
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 20:59:13 GMT
Iknow specualtion is fun - BUT - Im happy to let our manager sort this one out - plainly, he knows what he is doing
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Post by mrcoke on May 14, 2014 22:22:26 GMT
I know speculation is fun - BUT - I'm happy to let our manager sort this one out - plainly, he knows what he is doing I'm with you.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 6:41:59 GMT
I think they all have an input. I'm sure Arnie and Muniesa were Sparky buys. Pieters seems to have been a Carto job. Yeah we're going to have to take a punt on someone from abroad, it's a gamble, but the aforementioned players shows they do come off. What's the alternative? Another gamble that costs about £15m and £50k a week more.
Realistically the days of signing a proven Prem striker are gone. We're out on fee and salary.
I think the Guidetti loan is a good indicator of where we are. Taking a chance on a lower cost hope with potential. And that is fair enough. Arnie and Muni have shown that this policy can bear fruit.
If not, its another loan for a promising youngster at one of the big clubs.
Arnie and Muni who both came from overseas...where we're plainly looking for a new striker. You very, very rarely sign a good one of those for Arnie money. I think we can find a good one for £7-10m. If Guidetti is the kind of thing we're looking at I think I'd rather spend the money and take the risk.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 15, 2014 7:20:45 GMT
Not getting all the fuss regarding Diouf. If we didn't sign him then it wouldn't bother me overly. The fuss is he has a great goal scoring record in one of the top leagues in the world and we could get him on a free transfer. Ok fair enough. However, it still doesn't overly excite me. Fair play he's done well in the bundesliga but the premier League is a Different matter.
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Post by foster on May 15, 2014 7:26:09 GMT
As said previously I'd be happy with all the deadwood out (listed above in this thread) and bringing in 2 or 3 quality players.
Anyone know what the situation is with that McManaman player from Wigan. He was pretty good last season if I recall.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 15, 2014 8:50:49 GMT
Are we still going on about Diouf? Last I heard he was in talks with Wolfsburg who had offered him £60k a week and Champions League football. I'd be astounded if he came here.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 15, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
As said previously I'd be happy with all the deadwood out (listed above in this thread) and bringing in 2 or 3 quality players. Anyone know what the situation is with that McManaman player from Wigan. He was pretty good last season if I recall. McManaman is a good shout. Strange how no-one seemingly went after him following his displays in the Prem. I've no idea how he's done this season but you'd have thought he'd have to move on now they're in the Championship still. He's an alternative to Assaidi and physically stronger. What would his fee be? Probably the same as Assaidi's I guess.
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Post by lagwafis on May 15, 2014 9:39:46 GMT
I can't see us making eight figure signings again to be honest so the likes of Bony and Benteke (even with his falling stock) would be out of the question.
Hughes has a decent track record and seemingly plenty of contacts when it comes to getting high quality players on the cheap from Europe. I'd imagine part of the appeal for Coates / Bet365 was seeing him bring the likes of Benni McCarthy (Porto, £2.5 million) and Roque Santa Cruz (Bayern Munich, £3.5 million) to a club like Blackburn. Looking at other players like Ryan Nelson (free), Christopher Samba (£400k), David Bentley (a couple of million) and he's a proven manager more than capable of pulling off some real bargains under £4-5 million.
Getting in Assaidi for a couple of million would be a good start for me, he might not be 100% the finished article just yet but that's where a good manager will coach and develop him to the next level. Potential wise he's a similar age to what Etherington was when West Ham signed him from Spurs reserves and he went on to become a very good player.
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Post by arnieforpresident on May 15, 2014 12:09:41 GMT
Wouldn't mind Robert Snodgrass in the squad
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