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Post by clarkeda on May 12, 2014 5:33:36 GMT
Working out a way to play Charlie Adam would save us a lot of money for a start. He's best in the 'Gerrard' role, problem being he can't run or tackle.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on May 12, 2014 5:56:49 GMT
Out - Edu, Kightly, Ethers, Palacios, Shotton
Ins RB - Wisdom or Kelly from Liverpool could be a good loan option CM - Kevin Vogt AMR/L - Assaidi/Moses/Aaron Hunt/Pitropia ST - Diouf/Riviere
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Post by eddy on May 12, 2014 6:07:38 GMT
I really like the idea of Michy Batshuayi as the striker in a front 3. With Arnie and Assaidi alongside him I can see him scoring a hatful. He is quite well rated in Belgium, but I do think he would come here, a top 10 Prem side is certainly a step up from the Belgian league. Possible he may sneak into the Belgian side for the World Cup since Benteke is out, so if he performs there we may get gazumped.
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Post by clarkeda on May 12, 2014 6:07:54 GMT
Think Moses would be a decent option loan or to buy. Would add a little but of physicality.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2014 6:23:51 GMT
Working out a way to play Charlie Adam would save us a lot of money for a start. He's best in the 'Gerrard' role, problem being he can't run or tackle. The running thing is largely a lazy stereotype as any glimpse of post match stats on ground covered, number of sprints and even speed will tell you. The fact remains he can change games in a way no other midfielder and in particular Stephen Ireland could dream of and not finding a regular place for him is borderline negligent.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 6:42:08 GMT
Working out a way to play Charlie Adam would save us a lot of money for a start. Think Hughes has got that pretty spot on Ireland's interplay with the forwards is much better but he's not afraid to replace him with Adam who offers a greater goal threat. I think we'll see more from Ireland if we can sign a decent mobile striker to lead the line he already links very well with Arnie, Wingie and Ossie needs another forward who doesn't play at a snails pace.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 6:44:53 GMT
Think Moses would be a decent option loan or to buy. Would add a little but of physicality. Be very happy with him he's not featured much for the bin dippers. Is he their player or does he still belong to Chelsea?
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Post by clarkeda on May 12, 2014 7:14:49 GMT
Think Moses would be a decent option loan or to buy. Would add a little but of physicality. Be very happy with him he's not featured much for the bin dippers. Is he their player or does he still belong to Chelsea? On loan from chelsea, so could be a viable option
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 7:22:58 GMT
Be very happy with him he's not featured much for the bin dippers. Is he their player or does he still belong to Chelsea? On loan from chelsea, so could be a viable option Reasonable shout. Good age. Wouldn't want to go anywhere near what they paid for him though and god only knows what sort of wage he must be on.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 7:25:22 GMT
Quite fancy a shot at Rhodes although he would be a gamble and you may get a cheaper deal from shopping abroad. He has proven himself in the championship season after season.
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Post by MuddyWoody on May 12, 2014 7:28:42 GMT
He's best in the 'Gerrard' role, problem being he can't run or tackle. The running thing is largely a lazy stereotype as any glimpse of post match stats on ground covered, number of sprints and even speed will tell you. The fact remains he can change games in a way no other midfielder and in particular Stephen Ireland could dream of and not finding a regular place for him is borderline negligent. Totally agree momo. I said to my mate when Adam came on yesterday that I'd start him every week over Ireland. Five minutes later he scores a blinder and wins us the game.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 12, 2014 7:33:46 GMT
He's best in the 'Gerrard' role, problem being he can't run or tackle. The running thing is largely a lazy stereotype as any glimpse of post match stats on ground covered, number of sprints and even speed will tell you. The fact remains he can change games in a way no other midfielder and in particular Stephen Ireland could dream of and not finding a regular place for him is borderline negligent. Absolutely agree. There is something about Adam that is worth trying to solve. On his day he could be that game changer in the midfield we need. I hope Sparky and co can find the best way to utilise him.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 7:44:29 GMT
If Adam could cut out the playground stuff he'd be a world beater.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 7:45:02 GMT
The running thing is largely a lazy stereotype as any glimpse of post match stats on ground covered, number of sprints and even speed will tell you. The fact remains he can change games in a way no other midfielder and in particular Stephen Ireland could dream of and not finding a regular place for him is borderline negligent. Totally agree momo. I said to my mate when Adam came on yesterday that I'd start him every week over Ireland. Five minutes later he scores a blinder and wins us the game. Different sort of player to Ireland will always get more goals but is not as adept when it comes to quick interplay with the forwards in and around the box. Much better sitting deeper and spraying it around but then his awful tackling and suspect stamina drag him down. Definitely a conundrum how or if to play him or whether its right to keep him on the bench as a game changer for when plan A isn't working. I'm happy with how Hughes has played it.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 7:55:12 GMT
If Adam could cut out the playground stuff he'd be a world beater. Not sure about world beater but if he cut out the snidey element of his game and worked even harder on his fitness maybe he could get regular starts either here or at another Prem club.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 7:58:17 GMT
If Adam could cut out the playground stuff he'd be a world beater. Not sure about world beater but if he cut out the snidey element of his game and worked even harder on his fitness maybe he could get regular starts either here or at another Prem club. Not just the snidey element but some of the Hollywood stuff. Thinking a five yard pass to an open team mate is beneath him, not bothering tracking his man in his own half. His ability to conjure something from nothing is top drawer but without those nuts and bolts it's hard to hang your hat on him.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2014 8:09:33 GMT
Not sure about world beater but if he cut out the snidey element of his game and worked even harder on his fitness maybe he could get regular starts either here or at another Prem club. Not just the snidey element but some of the Hollywood stuff. Thinking a five yard pass to an open team mate is beneath him, not bothering tracking his man in his own half. His ability to conjure something from nothing is top drawer but without those nuts and bolts it's hard to hang your hat on him. Totally agree rob that's what I've been trying to say maybe not that eloquently. Its those quick little link up passes of Ireland that Hughes prefers over Charlie's champagne balls. Without change from the player I think what we're describing is an impact sub not a starter.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:19:31 GMT
Not just the snidey element but some of the Hollywood stuff. Thinking a five yard pass to an open team mate is beneath him, not bothering tracking his man in his own half. His ability to conjure something from nothing is top drawer but without those nuts and bolts it's hard to hang your hat on him. Totally agree rob that's what I've been trying to say maybe not that eloquently. Its those quick little link up passes of Ireland that Hughes prefers over Charlie's champagne balls. Without change from the player I think what we're describing is an impact sub not a starter. Yeah Ireland's a more subtle player but keeps things ticking over more effectively for me - a lot of the good moves we put together, especially on the break, come from him and/or Nzonzi coming forward, laying it off to someone like Arnie quite quickly and keeping us moving. It's not as eye catching, but it's important.
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Post by kurt on May 12, 2014 8:25:58 GMT
Josip DrmicMame Diouf RB CB CM Kightly Shea Crouch Palacios Walters Wilko This is a great one!
A new striker is necessary, i think. Please hold Assaidi and Bego if possible....apart from that we have a very good squad, which could be better than 9th next season.
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Post by nott1 on May 12, 2014 8:38:35 GMT
Don't forget we are getting Cameron Jerome back! Wow!
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2014 12:01:27 GMT
Josip DrmicMame Diouf RB CB CM Kightly Shea Crouch Palacios Walters Wilko This is a great one!
A new striker is necessary, i think. Please hold Assaidi and Bego if possible....apart from that we have a very good squad, which could be better than 9th next season.
Drmic apparently has a £3m (Or is that Euros?) get out clause now that Nuremburg have been relegated ticks lots of boxes quick good player scores goals cheap
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Post by kurt on May 12, 2014 12:08:51 GMT
This is a great one!
A new striker is necessary, i think. Please hold Assaidi and Bego if possible....apart from that we have a very good squad, which could be better than 9th next season.
Drmic apparently has a £3m (Or is that Euros?) get out clause now that Nuremburg have been relegated ticks lots of boxes quick good player scores goals cheap .....but it's too late.....has been signed today by Leverkusen
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Post by warringtonstokie on May 12, 2014 13:14:33 GMT
Drmic apparently has a £3m (Or is that Euros?) get out clause now that Nuremburg have been relegated ticks lots of boxes quick good player scores goals cheap .....but it's too late.....has been signed today by Leverkusen That's a big shame, I'm a massive fan, I think he's everything we need.
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Post by interestedobserver on May 12, 2014 13:24:18 GMT
If we can keep this spine we're laughing; Bego
? Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Whelan N'Zonzi
? Ireland/Adam Arnie
? Sorro/Another Huth Wilson Cameron Assaidi Odemwingie Walters Coincidentally, Ryan Shotton has been deployed at all of the positions where you have a '?'.
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Post by george2again on May 12, 2014 13:36:25 GMT
If we can keep this spine we're laughing; Bego
? Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Whelan N'Zonzi
? Ireland/Adam Arnie
? Sorro/Another Huth Wilson Cameron Assaidi Odemwingie Walters Coincidentally, Ryan Shotton has been deployed at all of the positions where you have a '?'. Just a question, would you play Muniesa at centre half V Andy Carrol? He will get mauled by a lot of forwards in the Prem.
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Post by interestedobserver on May 12, 2014 13:56:26 GMT
Not going to bother with some of the deadwood as its obvious the club will do with it what it can to reduce the wage bill. Some of them will be impossible to sell.
As for the core of the club that finished the season + Jerome, I wouldn't be in a huge hurry to make drastic changes.
RB: Net spend 2 million I would have one of two strategies both of which involve selling Cameron at some point (he's no world beater by I think we'd find a buyer for him): Either make a Pieters type signing from another league and hold onto Cameron for six months to a year as cover in case it doesn't work out. Alternatively, I would buy a Prem-proven RB under the age of 27 and sell Cameron in the same window. In an ideal world we would have all kinds of cover for the back line. But in the end its a question of resource allocation.
So realistically I think having New RB, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters, Muniesa and Wilson on the books gives us enough on the back line. Maybe a cheap CB as a squad player or retain Shotton as emergency cover if we can't loan him out.
Attacking wing (or whatever you call it)/Striker: Net spend 8 million I view this as one pool for three players (one of whom is definitely a striker and one of whom is definitely an attacking wing). Rather than going in with a mindset of one of this and two of that, it's more a matter of what you can sell and what you can buy. We have Walters who I guess fits the attacking wing role and we have Jerome and Crouch who I guess fit the striker role. Those are all assets I would be looking to move and then bring in the three best players I can find in these positions for the allowable budget. If I have to keep one of Walters, Crouch, Jerome for cover I'm OK with it. I think Odemwingie is definitely in with a shout to be starting in these positions next year but some competition for places is needed and at his age you just can't bank on him lasting an entire season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2014 17:23:37 GMT
Coincidentally, Ryan Shotton has been deployed at all of the positions where you have a '?'. Just a question, would you play Muniesa at centre half V Andy Carrol? He will get mauled by a lot of forwards in the Prem. Muniesa was the first of our defenders to win a header against Carroll when we played West Ham the other month! He's had Adebayor and Darren Bent in his back pocket too!
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Post by agingerstokie on May 13, 2014 10:58:12 GMT
Muniesa is so underrated on this board in my opinion. Considering how he played against Everton to how he plays now you can tell a massive difference. Only going to get better.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 11:17:47 GMT
There's plenty of deadwood that needs shifting on - Edu, Shea, Kightly, Shotton, Palacios etc.
In terms of new signings, I'd hope the club make a big effort to make the Assaidi deal permanent. Beyond that, the big priorty has to be a striker. Somebody in the mould of Bony or Lukaku.
Perhaps a midfielder and a full back too.
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2014 12:25:19 GMT
Drmic apparently has a £3m (Or is that Euros?) get out clause now that Nuremburg have been relegated ticks lots of boxes quick good player scores goals cheap .....but it's too late.....has been signed today by Leverkusen bugger!
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