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Post by Vestan Pance on May 7, 2014 11:42:14 GMT
I have been thinking about this over the past few days and wondered if I was missing something.
On Saturday, we witnessed one of the most inept performances I think I have ever witnessed, in any league, by a central defender so abjectly il-equipped to deal with Assaidi it was embarrassing. Dan Burn was completely out of his depth, was being skinned for fun by a winger at the peak of his powers and at best, this has hampered his confidence and development by being put there by a manager who had clearly been watching videos of the Pulis era.
My question is this; if this were to happen on a Sunday morning, the back 4 would have a re-shuffle to accommodate this imbalance after a short amount of time. This was always standard practice in any level of football I played at (and in fairness I was pretty good when I was younger) so why didn't Heitinga and Hangeland, two international central defenders, put him out of his misery? Heitinga would have been far better positioned to deal with Assaidi and it would have circumvented the need to put Parker there for the second half.
Do Premier League footballers just utterly absolve themselves from what is actually happening on the pitch by claiming to be only following orders?
Thoughts?
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Post by salopstick on May 7, 2014 11:58:37 GMT
dont think vestan it makes my dick itch
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 12:01:05 GMT
I have been thinking about this over the past few days and wondered if I was missing something. On Saturday, we witnessed one of the most inept performances I think I have ever witnessed, in any league, by a central defender so abjectly il-equipped to deal with Assaidi it was embarrassing. Dan Burn was completely out of his depth, was being skinned for fun by a winger at the peak of his powers and at best, this has hampered his confidence and development by being put there by a manager who had clearly been watching videos of the Pulis era. My question is this; if this were to happen on a Sunday morning, the back 4 would have a re-shuffle to accommodate this imbalance after a short amount of time. This was always standard practice in any level of football I played at (and in fairness I was pretty good when I was younger) so why didn't Heitinga and Hangeland, two international central defenders, put him out of his misery? Heitinga would have been far better positioned to deal with Assaidi and it would have circumvented the need to put Parker there for the second half. Do Premier League footballers just utterly absolve themselves from what is actually happening on the pitch by claiming to be only following orders? Thoughts? When Ryan got his chance with England he entered the pitch as a second half sub, immediately to face a free kick in an attacking position for Sweden. Cahill allowed Ryan the job of marking one of the best centre forwards in the world whilst he acted as the spare defender, looking to sweep up. Talk about shirking responsibility! Whether it's the players responsibility or the managers, I'm not sure. They probably all should be held accountable to some degree. Burn was having an absolute torrid time on Saturday and none of his team mates or Manager looked to help him out and switch it. If they had changed it though I'd like to think Hughes/Assaidi would make the decision to switch too!  Like you say, some of it is basics from grass roots level. Ultimately, Fulham just didn't looked arsed. That's the most concerning thing. Most of them probably had their minds on their summer holiday, safe in the knowledge they've got a contract that guarantees their pay or assuming another premier league team will take them on next year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 12:12:07 GMT
Everytime Assaidi had the ball it looked like there were two men marking him anyway after the first 10 minutes. Didn't seem to make much difference though.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 7, 2014 12:18:37 GMT
Of course they don't they're trained drones taking no responsibility for anything. Every club failure is the managers fault. Only following orders boss.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 7, 2014 13:28:43 GMT
I have been thinking about this over the past few days and wondered if I was missing something. On Saturday, we witnessed one of the most inept performances I think I have ever witnessed, in any league, by a central defender so abjectly il-equipped to deal with Assaidi it was embarrassing. Dan Burn was completely out of his depth, was being skinned for fun by a winger at the peak of his powers and at best, this has hampered his confidence and development by being put there by a manager who had clearly been watching videos of the Pulis era. My question is this; if this were to happen on a Sunday morning, the back 4 would have a re-shuffle to accommodate this imbalance after a short amount of time. This was always standard practice in any level of football I played at (and in fairness I was pretty good when I was younger) so why didn't Heitinga and Hangeland, two international central defenders, put him out of his misery? Heitinga would have been far better positioned to deal with Assaidi and it would have circumvented the need to put Parker there for the second half. Do Premier League footballers just utterly absolve themselves from what is actually happening on the pitch by claiming to be only following orders? Thoughts? When Ryan got his chance with England he entered the pitch as a second half sub, immediately to face a free kick in an attacking position for Sweden. Cahill allowed Ryan the job of marking one of the best centre forwards in the world whilst he acted as the spare defender, looking to sweep up. Talk about shirking responsibility! Whether it's the players responsibility or the managers, I'm not sure. They probably all should be held accountable to some degree. Burn was having an absolute torrid time on Saturday and none of his team mates or Manager looked to help him out and switch it. If they had changed it though I'd like to think Hughes/Assaidi would make the decision to switch too! Like you say, some of it is basics from grass roots level. Ultimately, Fulham just didn't looked arsed. That's the most concerning thing. Most of them probably had their minds on their summer holiday, safe in the knowledge they've got a contract that guarantees their pay or assuming another premier league team will take them on next year. Lost count of the amount of times i've said this to people about Cahill. Not only that but he left Caulker in the shit twice in the first half, at times he appeared to be literally running away from Zlatan. To my mind he showed exactly what he is, a coward, he should be nowhere near the England team. As much as i loathe John Terry, he certainly would not have allowed that to happen. |
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Post by onionman on May 7, 2014 15:12:02 GMT
When Ryan got his chance with England he entered the pitch as a second half sub, immediately to face a free kick in an attacking position for Sweden. Cahill allowed Ryan the job of marking one of the best centre forwards in the world whilst he acted as the spare defender, looking to sweep up. Talk about shirking responsibility! Whether it's the players responsibility or the managers, I'm not sure. They probably all should be held accountable to some degree. Burn was having an absolute torrid time on Saturday and none of his team mates or Manager looked to help him out and switch it. If they had changed it though I'd like to think Hughes/Assaidi would make the decision to switch too! Like you say, some of it is basics from grass roots level. Ultimately, Fulham just didn't looked arsed. That's the most concerning thing. Most of them probably had their minds on their summer holiday, safe in the knowledge they've got a contract that guarantees their pay or assuming another premier league team will take them on next year. Lost count of the amount of times i've said this to people about Cahill. Not only that but he left Caulker in the shit twice in the first half, at times he appeared to be literally running away from Zlatan. To my mind he showed exactly what he is, a coward, he should be nowhere near the England team. As much as i loathe John Terry, he certainly would not have allowed that to happen. You're correct about Cahill, but it's also exactly what Terry did when faced with Ibra in the Euros two years ago: he got skinned by him in the first few minutes, then spent the rest of the game hiding from him and leaving Lescott to deal with it, while just sweeping up and diving around like Jamie Carragher. |
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Post by harryburrows on May 7, 2014 15:23:38 GMT
collective responsibility is a culture that we have always had since our return to the prem . pulis often said when recruiting players its as much about character as it is about talent . higgy, rory , salif ,ryan , huthy, ric to name but a few ,dragged us over the line many times to snatch a point or 3. fulhams experienced and highly paid senior players need to look at themselves in the mirror after what i saw on saturday .
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Post by knuttonj24 on May 7, 2014 15:51:05 GMT
Cahill showed his true colours when ossie bagged the winner against chelski. He stood right in front of him and ducked out the way of the shot and it went in - any defender worth his salt at any level of the game would have put their body on the line to block the shot, if it takes a deflection and goes in at least you attempted to prevent a goal.
He's over rated and always has been!!
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Post by gothicstokelover on May 7, 2014 16:25:09 GMT
Think he struggled so much because he was played completely out of position....But I'm guessing if team players do that rare thing and take initiative the club would most likely punish the player for trying improve the situation.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 7, 2014 16:39:57 GMT
If a team loses a game, it's often the referee's fault and he is demoted for a week or two.
If a team loses a series a games, it's the managers fault and he is sacked.
Yet players are often paid ten times as much as the two above and defended to the hilt by clubs even when they don't deserve it.
It's not hard to see why they lack any responsibility - they're practically untouchable at the moment.
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Post by march4 on May 7, 2014 18:25:10 GMT
It depends on the manager (and the player). BT used to cover in all sorts of positions without being told when players were otherwise engaged. I doubt TP told him to do it, but BT had a good footballing brain.
Sometimes if the boss is overbearing then workers become robots, rarely thinking for themselves and afraid to question instructions. I understand Fulham's manager has a reputation for being overbearing.
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