Martin53
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Post by Martin53 on May 1, 2014 19:00:23 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points.
The formula would be this:
Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points.
So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points.
We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop.
When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders.
What do people think?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 19:03:58 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points. The formula would be this: Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points. So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points. We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop. When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders. What do people think? time you concentrated on your work  |
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Post by Billy the kid on May 1, 2014 19:07:49 GMT
Far too complicated, a simple 1 point a game would be much easier to administer. It is not as if we sell our allocation to many away games.
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Post by heisenberg88 on May 1, 2014 19:15:46 GMT
First come first served. Stuff loyalty bollocks.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 1, 2014 19:19:09 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points. The formula would be this: Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points. So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points. We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop. When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders. What do people think?
I agree with the principle that you should get (a lot) more points added to your account for buying a ticket for Sunderland on a Monday night when it's on the telly, compared to buying a ticket for a match at the Hawthornes kicking-off at 3pm on a Saturday and in my opinion it should be a fundamental cornerstone of the scheme.
I'm not sure the method that you are suggesting is perfect and personally think that there are better ways to achieve it.
We have category A, B and C games at the Brit, I think (when it comes to awarding points) we should have category A, B and C games for away matches and you should know exactly how many points you're going to get added to your account when you purchase your ticket.
When it comes to making tickets available for purchase, yes I agree entirely with staggering the sale, dependent on your current points total.
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Post by heisenberg88 on May 1, 2014 19:21:47 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points. The formula would be this: Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points. So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points. We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop. When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders. What do people think?
I agree with the principle that you should get (a lot) more points added to your account for buying a ticket for Sunderland on a Monday night when it's on the telly, compared to buying a ticket for a match at the Hawthornes kicking-off at 3pm on a Saturday and in my opinion it should be a fundamental cornerstone of the scheme.
I'm not sure the method that you are suggesting is perfect and personally think that there are better ways to achieve it.
We have category A, B and C games at the Brit, I think (when it comes to awarding points) we should have category A, B and C games for away matches and you should know exactly how many points you're going to get added to your account when you purchase your ticket.
When it comes to making tickets available for purchase, yes I agree entirely with staggering the sale, dependent on your current points total.
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If people want to travel far on a Monday night ten they do it because they want to. Don't see why they should be given priority just because they travel silly places at silly times. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 1, 2014 19:30:18 GMT
I agree with the principle that you should get (a lot) more points added to your account for buying a ticket for Sunderland on a Monday night when it's on the telly, compared to buying a ticket for a match at the Hawthornes kicking-off at 3pm on a Saturday and in my opinion it should be a fundamental cornerstone of the scheme.
I'm not sure the method that you are suggesting is perfect and personally think that there are better ways to achieve it.
We have category A, B and C games at the Brit, I think (when it comes to awarding points) we should have category A, B and C games for away matches and you should know exactly how many points you're going to get added to your account when you purchase your ticket.
When it comes to making tickets available for purchase, yes I agree entirely with staggering the sale, dependent on your current points total.
If people want to travel far on a Monday night ten they do it because they want to. Don't see why they should be given priority just because they travel silly places at silly times.
It might be 'silly' to you but to some people it means a hellluva lot to be able to support their team at every opportunity.
And in my humble opinion, if they're prepared/want to do it for the less glamorous games, then they should be able to do so for the other games also.
It's rewarding loyalty.
England, ManU, Man Citeh, Liverpool (clubs who always sell out) all run similar schemes because it is unquestionably the fairest (and that's the important bit) way of doing things and likewise fans of Stoke City who travel to all or the majority of our away games, should be rewarded in the same way for games where our allocation is likely to sell out.
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2014 19:35:04 GMT
I think you are trying to fix a problem which doesn't really exist.
We sell out away about once a season.
Must admit apart from the above fact I'm a "first come/first served" man too myself like someone said above.
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Post by f1rew0rks on May 1, 2014 19:36:18 GMT
If people want to travel far on a Monday night ten they do it because they want to. Don't see why they should be given priority just because they travel silly places at silly times.
It might be 'silly' to you but to some people it means a hellluva lot to be able to support their team at every opportunity.
And in my humble opinion, if they're prepared/want to do it for the less glamorous games, then they should be able to do so for the other games also.
It's rewarding loyalty.
England, ManU, Man Citeh, Liverpool (clubs who always sell out) all run similar schemes because it is unquestionably the fairest (and that's the important bit) way of doing things and likewise fans of Stoke City who travel to all or the majority of our away games, should be rewarded in the same way for games where our allocation is likely to sell out.
I sort of agree in principal. I have probably been to more away games this year than most season ticket holders, mainly because most away games are much closer than home games. However I had absolutely no hope in getting to the West Brom game. Oh well .... never mind :-( |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 1, 2014 19:37:10 GMT
Depending on the loyalty scheme they try and put in I may have an away ticket available for selected games. If you are unable to get one yourself due to sell out or being banned etc message me. All sold at face value of course.  |
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Post by stokietougharmy on May 1, 2014 20:31:54 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points. The formula would be this: Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points. So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points. We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop. When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders. What do people think? I'll just go Sunderland and Newcastle away,that should secure my cup final ticket |
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Post by StokieMatt on May 1, 2014 20:37:00 GMT
First come first served. Stuff loyalty bollocks. How about no, id be hugely pissed off if i missed out on WBA after going every game before then. |
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Martin53
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Post by Martin53 on May 1, 2014 22:08:29 GMT
While on my break at work, I had an idea for how the loyalty scheme could work for away games. Basically, you get loyalty points for an away game based on how many we took to that game - going to a match with a lower away attendance will mean more points. The formula would be this: Get the size of the maximum away allocation available, subtract our actual away ticket sales, then rounded to the nearest 100. A minimum could be set to 200 points. So, for example, we only took 400 away to Sunderland for a mid-week game, out of a maximum allocation of 3000. Everyone who attended would get 2600 points each. Meanwhile everyone who attends West Brom (a sell-out) would get the minimum 200 points. We could also give 100 points for going cup games, maybe 50 points for bringing a friend along to a game, and even some points for buying stuff from the club shop. When it comes to buying away tickets, the couple of hundred or so fans with the most loyalty points will have a few days where they're guaranteed a ticket, similar to the priority period for Platinum Plus. Then, there will be a priority period for fans within the top 75%, replacing the Platinum. This could also be shared with foundation season ticket holders like it is now. After that, the tickets are available to all the other season ticket holders. What do people think?
I agree with the principle that you should get (a lot) more points added to your account for buying a ticket for Sunderland on a Monday night when it's on the telly, compared to buying a ticket for a match at the Hawthornes kicking-off at 3pm on a Saturday and in my opinion it should be a fundamental cornerstone of the scheme.
I'm not sure the method that you are suggesting is perfect and personally think that there are better ways to achieve it.
We have category A, B and C games at the Brit, I think (when it comes to awarding points) we should have category A, B and C games for away matches and you should know exactly how many points you're going to get added to your account when you purchase your ticket.
When it comes to making tickets available for purchase, yes I agree entirely with staggering the sale, dependent on your current points total.
Your way's what most clubs do, and if Stoke did that too I'd be pretty happy in all honesty. I'm just trying to get rid of the potential politics involved in deciding which games will be worth more points, or trying to guess which games will be more popular. Yes, you can usually make a pretty good guess, but sometimes you never know. Using ticket sales to decide points rewards fans who go the actual unpopular games, not what someone thought would be unpopular. |
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Martin53
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Post by Martin53 on May 1, 2014 22:16:02 GMT
I think you are trying to fix a problem which doesn't really exist. We sell out away about once a season. Must admit I'm a "first come/first served" man too myself like someone said above. Normally you're right, there is no problem. But I reckon we near enough sell out between 20-25% of away games. This season I can think of Liverpool, West Ham, the Shit, Cardiff and West Brom that were at or very close to sell-out. That's over a quarter of our league games. The only thing special about West Brom is that it sold out so quickly. |
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Post by stoke247 on May 1, 2014 23:07:35 GMT
How it could work based on away games attended, 3 priority groups, 1-6, 3rd priority, 7-12, 2nd priority, and 13-19 1st priority
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2014 23:20:22 GMT
I think you are trying to fix a problem which doesn't really exist. We sell out away about once a season. Must admit I'm a "first come/first served" man too myself like someone said above. Normally you're right, there is no problem. But I reckon we near enough sell out between 20-25% of away games. This season I can think of Liverpool, West Ham, the Shit, Cardiff and West Brom that were at or very close to sell-out. That's over a quarter of our league games. The only thing special about West Brom is that it sold out so quickly. I'm not sure about all that mate. The Shit we took a very low allocation, I suppose if we continue to do that then it could be a problem. I was at Liverpool and West Ham. I would say West Ham was close but there were seats. The only reason Liverpool was anything like full is because the restricted view tickets at the back were bought up by Liverpool fans when they came on general sale. I was at the back and I would say the back 3 rows were rammed with Liverpool fans. I wasn't at Cardiff so I don't know about that one. |
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Post by prem4stoke on May 1, 2014 23:33:50 GMT
You do realise Away games means no income for Stoke City, I will let you work out what that means.
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2014 23:40:13 GMT
You do realise Away games means no income for Stoke City, I will let you work out what that means. I was going to make the very same point myself. In fact it is worse than that, if folks take up the coach travel it actually costs us money. In the end it comes down to whether or not you think if you treat people thoughtfully when you are not overtly taking money from them they will reward you with their loyalty when you are. |
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Post by heisenberg88 on May 2, 2014 7:27:59 GMT
First come first served. Stuff loyalty bollocks. How about no, id be hugely pissed off if i missed out on WBA after going every game before then. Its one game if you missed it. You greedy bastard |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2014 7:38:04 GMT
How it could work based on away games attended, 3 priority groups, 1-6, 3rd priority, 7-12, 2nd priority, and 13-19 1st priority
This would be a good system too I reckon, it doesn't take into account supporters travelling to the less glamorous games but it's miles better than first come, first served, where you've got people queuing for hours on the phones and at the Brit only for the shutters to come down saying 'Sold Out' when you've been standing in the rain all morning.
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Post by apb1 on May 2, 2014 8:24:26 GMT
You do realise Away games means no income for Stoke City, I will let you work out what that means. Unless we get points in them (I know, it's just a dream ) and finish higher up the table. Also do we get a share of the extra TV money from away games? So we don't get a percentage of the gate receipts, but they are not worthless, and perhaps the players perform better if there is a sold out away allocation from us? |
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Post by mystokebadge on May 2, 2014 14:45:59 GMT
I am not so sure of your system but you are right in what you are saying and it would be fair to bring in a loyalty scheme.
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Post by prem4stoke on May 2, 2014 14:52:53 GMT
I am not so sure of your system but you are right in what you are saying and it would be fair to bring in a loyalty scheme. Agree those who spend the most with Stoke City have first refusal. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 2, 2014 14:59:57 GMT
I am not so sure of your system but you are right in what you are saying and it would be fair to bring in a loyalty scheme. Agree those who spend the most with Stoke City have first refusal. Why? Why should they have greater priority than those that say, can't afford to go every away game no matter how much they would like to? Add to that that these people that can't afford may put the same or more into STOKE CITY even though they can't afford a lot of away games. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 2, 2014 15:02:01 GMT
First come first served. Stuff loyalty bollocks. How about no, id be hugely pissed off if i missed out on WBA after going every game before then. In that case so would I, but that's how it is, or should be anyway, first come first served clears up any confusion and reduces the risk of a shit idea, such as the op's, getting implemented. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 15:22:44 GMT
If you were one of the Norwich 300 in our promotion season you should be guaranteed tickets for life. The rest should have to fight for what's left.......
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Post by Ayupshag on May 2, 2014 15:39:43 GMT
It really should be first come first served. It gets rid of all the confusion.
If you start running loyalty scheme's you'll have people saying "I've been going to away games since 1954 so I should be guaranteed a ticket".
If it's fost come fost served everyone knows where they stand
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on May 2, 2014 15:45:26 GMT
First come first served to season ticket holders then general sale. Just like the old days. |
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Post by prem4stoke on May 2, 2014 16:08:04 GMT
Agree those who spend the most with Stoke City have first refusal. Why? Why should they have greater priority than those that say, can't afford to go every away game no matter how much they would like to? Add to that that these people that can't afford may put the same or more into STOKE CITY even though they can't afford a lot of away games. I think you'll find I'm in agreement with you away games means your spending nothing with Stoke City your actually lining the pockets of the away team. |
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Post by metalhead on May 2, 2014 16:11:01 GMT
Stupidly complicated. I e-mailed Josh WV the other day and asked about the 'points system' and he told me there's nothing set in stone yet, so don't get your hopes up, but let's hope. The system doesn't need to be overly complex, it simply needs to stagger the time in which you can order based on how many games you went last season. If you didn't miss an away game then you being the first, then slowly opening the tickets for people who went to less, with the last being those who attended none.
Not difficult whatsoever.
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