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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 16:26:51 GMT
no one said they were experts. They were voicing an opinion, one which seems to be general to many other than Stoke fans. An opinion probably based on media reports etc , while i'm not saying Shawcross is good enough to play for England not sure Bath rugby fans will have seen that much of him Exactly. Those people will never have seen Ryan play and their opinion will be entirely based on what they see, hear & read in the media. Therefore it isn't worth a damn thing. The fucking England manager also appears to base his opinion on the media & he should be shot for it.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 27, 2014 16:39:47 GMT
Shawcross is overrated and wont ever make an England squad thats playing a competitive game I would have to agree with your last 10 words in that sentence but it isn't down to the 1st 3 words, I would say it is more down to media perceptions of Stoke and our style of play, personally. Shawcross has been a lynch pin for us this season and his contribution should not be under-estimated. Regarding the OP's statement on Hodgson, it has to be said, is it any real surprise he spends alot of time watching clubs with a lot of young English players? He wouldn't be doing his job properly if he wasn't surely. That said I find him uninspiring and insipid so I don't like him particularly as England manager.
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