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Post by RAF on Apr 24, 2014 22:34:10 GMT
I just think spurs will hit us with pace on the wings, not sure Geoff can cope unless Walters starts on the right... just thought Wilko might give us that ability to play a bit more attacking options up front. Don't think I'm winning anyone over with this idea am I? LOL :D Wilko and ability in the same sentence killed it mate :D From the bloke who defended Whitehead week in week out, not only is that fucking ironic, but fucking laughable. H
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 24, 2014 22:35:31 GMT
It'll be a big game for the full backs on Saturday. Only two teams have scored more from crosses than Spurs this season, for all their faults. I often read your blog Rob, and appreciate your take on things as I can't really argue with much of your analyses post match. I presume you'd stick with Geoff then?
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Apr 24, 2014 22:35:47 GMT
Cameron is a footballer.... Wilkinson isn't...... Therefore I'd stick with the Yank
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2014 22:37:43 GMT
That would be a pretty dramatic change of form from what he has offered so far.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 24, 2014 22:39:24 GMT
There's a serious amount of shite posted about Geoff Cameron.
A very useful, very versatile pro with a great attitude and seriously underestimated footballing ability.
The day he's our weakest link is the day we challenge for the top four.
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Post by RAF on Apr 24, 2014 22:41:28 GMT
There's a serious amount of shite posted about Geoff Cameron. A very useful, very versatile pro with a great attitude and seriously underestimated footballing ability. The day he's our weakest link is the day we challenge for the top four. You said it. Then demonstrated it, H
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 24, 2014 22:43:17 GMT
There's a serious amount of shite posted about Geoff Cameron. A very useful, very versatile pro with a great attitude and seriously underestimated footballing ability. The day he's our weakest link is the day we challenge for the top four. You said it. Then demonstrated it, H Haha. I think. Actually, no, fck you. I think.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 24, 2014 22:44:57 GMT
That would be a pretty dramatic change of form from what he has offered so far. I think we're clutching at straws here, I'm getting caned for even mentioning Wilko yet not many will admit that GC has become a liability himself. I just want to reiterate that I think Sherwood will be looking at this area is my main point, and how we set up to counter this is the crux really. Can see Walters starting really... but what do I know..!
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Apr 24, 2014 22:49:23 GMT
That would be a pretty dramatic change of form from what he has offered so far. I think we're clutching at straws here, I'm getting caned for even mentioning Wilko yet not many will admit that GC has become a liability himself. I just want to reiterate that I think Sherwood will be looking at this area is my main point, and how we set up to counter this is the crux really. Can see Walters starting really... but what do I know..! We all know sweet FA... so its best we leave it to Mark Hughes. I'd just say if we give away a lot of free kicks in the final third Eriksen will punish us...For that reason I'd keep Wilko well away from the action
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2014 22:49:49 GMT
There's a serious amount of shite posted about Geoff Cameron. A very useful, very versatile pro with a great attitude and seriously underestimated footballing ability. The day he's our weakest link is the day we challenge for the top four. totally in agreement
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 24, 2014 22:50:41 GMT
That would be a pretty dramatic change of form from what he has offered so far. I think we're clutching at straws here, I'm getting caned for even mentioning Wilko yet not many will admit that GC has become a liability himself. I just want to reiterate that I think Sherwood will be looking at this area is my main point, and how we set up to counter this is the crux really. Can see Walters starting really... but what do I know..! To be fair Tim Sherwood is a clueless cockernee chancer so i wouldn't be too worried about his tactical insight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 22:57:02 GMT
How we've managed get to 10th with 10 men I'll never know! Were awesome!! Wonder who we can have a go at after geoff?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 24, 2014 23:03:21 GMT
There's a serious amount of shite posted about Geoff Cameron. A very useful, very versatile pro with a great attitude and seriously underestimated footballing ability. The day he's our weakest link is the day we challenge for the top four. totally in agreement As am I, the OP was never meant to slag Geoff, I think he's been incredible for us, but just not "100%" in the last while and thought maybe a rest/change could help in such a crucial match. He needs a rest we all know it, question is can we afford to try an alternative really. I think I got my answer! GC it is! I do like Wilko tho, he deserves much more credit than some want to give him.
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Apr 24, 2014 23:05:13 GMT
How we've managed get to 10th with 10 men I'll never know! Were awesome!! Wonder who we can have a go at after geoff? Anyone who plays right back Cameron, Wilko, Shotton.... Ryan,Huth & Woodgate have all had a try there, Haven't had a decent right back since Jackie Marsh Sorry Lee!!!...(Dixon)that is
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 24, 2014 23:06:28 GMT
I'm really, really struggling to think of a worse right back in the whole league than Cameron. Hell, he's the fourth best right back in our squad, which was apparent at the start of the season.
Wilko, Shotton, Wilson, even Muniesa, I don't care who, just give somebody who might be decent a chance.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 24, 2014 23:16:27 GMT
Would wilko or shotton have a single goal or assist this season, no Is the answer. I think it's a myth about him being a liability and I don't see how he is the weak link of the team whatsoever.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 24, 2014 23:20:33 GMT
What's Ally Pickering up to these days?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 24, 2014 23:21:01 GMT
I'm really, really struggling to think of a worse right back in the whole league than Cameron. Hell, he's the fourth best right back in our squad, which was apparent at the start of the season. Wilko, Shotton, Wilson, even Muniesa, I don't care who, just give somebody who might be decent a chance. I presume that his ability on the ball going forward has given him the edge at fullback in our squad, however I really don't see him offering much more than what Shotton could do there really? We could do with an *(getting pelted with rocks)* Ivanovic type RB who can do both jobs exceptionally well. I have a feeling LMH might agree and all.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 24, 2014 23:22:13 GMT
Would wilko or shotton have a single goal or assist this season, no Is the answer. I think it's a myth about him being a liability and I don't see how he is the weak link of the team whatsoever. Ask Woy if Shotton can score!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 24, 2014 23:39:44 GMT
I think you're overestimating Tim Sherwood's managerial ability.
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Post by dieguito88 on Apr 25, 2014 0:13:44 GMT
Are u crazy or what? Cameron is the only right fullback that is decent in defence and can put good some decent crosses ( nobody can put decent crosses of the others fullback, shotton, Wilko or even Wilson). And he is one of the best win tackles of the league. Wtf u want in fullback? Marcelo? Cafu? SERGINHO?? He is good atm for me
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 25, 2014 1:07:57 GMT
Are u crazy or what? Cameron is the only right fullback that is decent in defence and can put good some decent crosses ( nobody can put decent crosses of the others fullback, shotton, Wilko or even Wilson). And he is one of the best win tackles of the league. Wtf u want in fullback? Marcelo? Cafu? SERGINHO?? He is good atm for me You're right on two fronts there mate. Geoff CAN put a decent cross in, but the problem is, he rarely does. Secondly, Geoff IS a good tackler, but his positional sense is non existent. I don't blame the guy, as he's quite clearly not a full back, but we could really do with 2 right backs so that the question of him playing there never has to come up again. What do I want in a fullback?... One like any of the two we signed last summer wouldn't go amiss. Right sided ones of course
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 25, 2014 2:11:43 GMT
I'm really, really struggling to think of a worse right back in the whole league than Cameron. Hell, he's the fourth best right back in our squad, which was apparent at the start of the season. Wilko, Shotton, Wilson, even Muniesa, I don't care who, just give somebody who might be decent a chance. I presume that his ability on the ball going forward has given him the edge at fullback in our squad, however I really don't see him offering much more than what Shotton could do there really? We could do with an *(getting pelted with rocks)* Ivanovic type RB who can do both jobs exceptionally well. I have a feeling LMH might agree and all. His so called ability going forward is wasted when he tries to cross, may as well give someone else ago.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 25, 2014 2:24:51 GMT
Anybody wanting Wilko to start vs the ability of Tottenham is a fucking loon... end of. Don't even mention Shotton he has the touch of a rapist and trips over his own feet. Cameron will start as he has the entire season and will probably get a 7/10 as he has most of this season... Hughes doesn't rate Wilko or Shotton unless Geoff is tired, remember Chelsea. Some continually daft agenda poster present as always.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 25, 2014 2:42:06 GMT
Anybody wanting Wilko to start vs the ability of Tottenham is a fucking loon... end of. Don't even mention Shotton he has the touch of a rapist and trips over his own feet. Cameron will start as he has the entire season and will probably get a 7/10 as he has most of this season... Hughes doesn't rate Wilko or Shotton unless Geoff is tired, remember Chelsea. Some continually daft agenda poster present as always. Tired or crap, yep the answers crap. There's no agenda as you put it, just a difference of opinion, if you think other wise what agenda could anyone possibly have? Everyone wants any stoke player to do well, why wouldn't they?
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 25, 2014 5:03:37 GMT
Anybody wanting Wilko to start vs the ability of Tottenham is a fucking loon... end of. Don't even mention Shotton he has the touch of a rapist and trips over his own feet. Cameron will start as he has the entire season and will probably get a 7/10 as he has most of this season... Hughes doesn't rate Wilko or Shotton unless Geoff is tired, remember Chelsea. Some continually daft agenda poster present as always. Tired or crap, yep the answers crap. There's no agenda as you put it, just a difference of opinion, if you think other wise what agenda could anyone possibly have? Everyone wants any stoke player to do well, why wouldn't they? Well I'm glad I share the same "opinion" as the manager in that Wilko and Shotton are simply not good enough and that Cameron will start and once again fill in a crucial role for Stoke and if we do well he won't be mentioned and if it goes bad he will probably be the fall guy if we lose, as usual. Why? because that our "natural" players are ill suited for even being on the pitch, hughes seems to agree. Especially versus tottenham. You clearly have a bias vs cameron, you did even when he was one of our best players pre-christmas. lets not kid ourselves... I won't lie and say I'm not a fan of his, tit for tat. I wan't stoke to win and Wilko will give tottenham a peno no doubt... he's too slow and a physically not up to it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 25, 2014 5:59:16 GMT
GCams OK I'd be far more worried if Wilko started.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 7:01:04 GMT
I'm really, really struggling to think of a worse right back in the whole league than Cameron. Hell, he's the fourth best right back in our squad, which was apparent at the start of the season. Wilko, Shotton, Wilson, even Muniesa, I don't care who, just give somebody who might be decent a chance. That really is utter bollocks. 4th best right back in the squad? Come off it that's just ridiculous
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Post by ianstokie on Apr 25, 2014 7:17:16 GMT
Cameron is the best option we have. He is IMO less likely to give away free kicks and with Shawcross and Wilson behind to field crosses, less important he gets turned than hacks someone down in the area. On the left, I fancy Muniesa to start, and I think he would be quicker and more able to control Lennon than Pieters. Overall though I hope we will be watching our forwards more than the defence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 7:23:31 GMT
It'll be a big game for the full backs on Saturday. Only two teams have scored more from crosses than Spurs this season, for all their faults. I often read your blog Rob, and appreciate your take on things as I can't really argue with much of your analyses post match. I presume you'd stick with Geoff then? Of the three I'd probably have another look at Shotton. I'm not a fan of Geoff and his Danny Collins school of defending at the best of times.
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