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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 23:20:30 GMT
The vast majority of supporters do respect Pulis
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Post by generationex on Apr 22, 2014 23:45:13 GMT
Is it even controversial? And would some piss-pot website really pay him for such banalities? And would some on this board still denigrate Hudson if he said Pulis was toss?
Ahh questions, questions....
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Apr 23, 2014 0:44:23 GMT
He was probably pissed while writing that article, Pulis' time here is very much appreciated by 99% of Stoke fans.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2014 6:07:11 GMT
Amongst others Huddy, Lou, TC and Higgy have all been dismissed and bad mouthed for repeated similar comments. The only thing that has saved Waddington from the PHW treatment is his inability to state the obvious.
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Post by mcf on Apr 23, 2014 6:41:01 GMT
I thought we were letting this die now? I remember Hudson telling us we'd got no chance of staying up when we were promoted, then writing that grovelling book sucking up to the fans after he'd been proven wrong. I didn't post it to stir up the PHW/Rimmer debate - I expected someone would find it and post it if I didn't. It does surprise me that Huddy has chosen to take the route he has. He has close enough links to the club to realise that the fan base has always been split where TP is concerned. Show me a fan who didn't appreciate TP and I'll show you another who loved him to bits. The other thing which strikes me is the comment he makes about Palace players being better than the players TP had to work with at Stoke. In saying that he shoots himself in the foot - as every player at Stoke when TP left (apart from Shotton and Wilko?) was signed by TP. The way I read the quote was that he inherited lesser players at Stoke than he did at Pulisisace which would be true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 6:46:10 GMT
You forgot Litigious GD
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 6:49:52 GMT
I didn't post it to stir up the PHW/Rimmer debate - I expected someone would find it and post it if I didn't. It does surprise me that Huddy has chosen to take the route he has. He has close enough links to the club to realise that the fan base has always been split where TP is concerned. Show me a fan who didn't appreciate TP and I'll show you another who loved him to bits. The other thing which strikes me is the comment he makes about Palace players being better than the players TP had to work with at Stoke. In saying that he shoots himself in the foot - as every player at Stoke when TP left (apart from Shotton and Wilko?) was signed by TP. The way I read the quote was that he inherited lesser players at Stoke than he did at Pulisisace which would be true. Yes, I'm not surprised you read it that way, Merkin!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 6:56:39 GMT
I didn't post it to stir up the PHW/Rimmer debate - I expected someone would find it and post it if I didn't. It does surprise me that Huddy has chosen to take the route he has. He has close enough links to the club to realise that the fan base has always been split where TP is concerned. Show me a fan who didn't appreciate TP and I'll show you another who loved him to bits. The other thing which strikes me is the comment he makes about Palace players being better than the players TP had to work with at Stoke. In saying that he shoots himself in the foot - as every player at Stoke when TP left (apart from Shotton and Wilko?) was signed by TP. The way I read the quote was that he inherited lesser players at Stoke than he did at Pulisisace which would be true. Well we were near the foot of the championship so it's definatly true!
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Post by mcf on Apr 23, 2014 6:58:22 GMT
The way I read the quote was that he inherited lesser players at Stoke than he did at Pulisisace which would be true. Yes, I'm not surprised you read it that way, Merkin! 'he had lesser players than he has at Palace, but he got them into the Premier League.' The last part of the sentence rather gives it away.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 23, 2014 9:01:38 GMT
I can't see anything controversial there. He's simply stated how it is.
We're all happy to be cheering when Akinbiyi keeps us up against the odds against Reading, none of us will ever forget Ricardo Fuller, or being on the pitch after Leicester, or going to the FA Cup final and playing in Europe again. We all fondly remember Rory's throw, beating Arsenal and Liverpool regularly, the last time on December 26th 2012.
4 months later we were calling for his head.
Absolutely no loyalty at all. We were great when things were going well, but it didn't take long for us to demand pretty football when the going got tough for the first time in 10 years.
It's embarrassing really. Whatever you think of TPs style he was treated terribly by some "supporters". Maybe it was time for change, but PC showed a lot more class than a lot of us. you don't want to read it, but Huddy's just told it like it was.
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 23, 2014 9:09:12 GMT
He's the best footballer I have ever seen live, but is a complete knob head. Anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. A pinch of salt licked just before the lemon I reckon if it's anything to do with Huddy. As much of a legend that he is his opinion has no weight whatsoever. I do wish I could have seen him play for Stoke just from the comments of those I know who did see him ply his trade. However, he has had a dig at the fans and the squad in his little interview and it is out of order, in my opinion. This will mean that he will be less adored by those like me who only know the player from the stories we've been told.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 9:11:09 GMT
I can't see anything controversial there. He's simply stated how it is. We're all happy to be cheering when Akinbiyi keeps us up against the odds against Reading, none of us will ever forget Ricardo Fuller, or being on the pitch after Leicester, or going to the FA Cup final and playing in Europe again. We all fondly remember Rory's throw, beating Arsenal and Liverpool regularly, the last time on December 26th 2012. 4 months later we were calling for his head. Absolutely no loyalty at all. We were great when things were going well, but it didn't take long for us to demand pretty football when the going got tough for the first time in 10 years. It's embarrassing really. Whatever you think of TPs style he was treated terribly by some "supporters". Maybe it was time for change, but PC showed a lot more class than a lot of us. you don't want to read it, but Huddy's just told it like it was. Yes, but Huddy doesn't say that TP was treated badly by some supporters. He implied that the whole fan base failed to appreciate what TP did for the club. That clearly isn't true, there are many Stokies who loved him to bits and certainly a majority appreciated what he achieved - including many who felt it was time for a parting of the ways.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 23, 2014 9:21:04 GMT
Apologies then, maybe I interpreted the article as a general view on football supporters.
It is a sad fact that the majority of football fans bemoan the fact that players don't show loyalty, but then as he rightly points out are happy to dish it out to their own players and manager if things don't go so well.
Football management is a tough job. It doesn't always go to plan, and maybe sometimes we should ride out the tough times and show a bit more patience and loyalty.
Would Sunderland have been better sticking with Bruce, or even O'Neil, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 9:25:25 GMT
I can't see anything controversial there. He's simply stated how it is. We're all happy to be cheering when Akinbiyi keeps us up against the odds against Reading, none of us will ever forget Ricardo Fuller, or being on the pitch after Leicester, or going to the FA Cup final and playing in Europe again. We all fondly remember Rory's throw, beating Arsenal and Liverpool regularly, the last time on December 26th 2012. 4 months later we were calling for his head. Absolutely no loyalty at all. We were great when things were going well, but it didn't take long for us to demand pretty football when the going got tough for the first time in 10 years. It's embarrassing really. Whatever you think of TPs style he was treated terribly by some "supporters". Maybe it was time for change, but PC showed a lot more class than a lot of us. you don't want to read it, but Huddy's just told it like it was. Pulis wasn't treated badly by the supporters, there were never any chants of Pulis out, no banners, no protests. Most supporters complained about how poor we were last season but i don't think there was anything wrong in that, i'm sure Pulis himself would expect it. When you look at whats been happening at other clubs; Chris Hughton was forced out by the fans at Norwich, Newcastle fans protesting against Pardew and its getting very ugly towards Lambert at the Villa, there was never anything like that here. A few people on this message board (and its always the same few) and a few phone calls to praise and grumble who go a bit too far, but the vast majority of supporters appreciate what Pulis did here and respect him. He had a great reception from those of us who went to Palace in January and it will be the same when he comes back here next season. Huddy is just looking for attention here and its clearly working.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 9:29:56 GMT
Apologies then, maybe I interpreted the article as a general view on football supporters. It is a sad fact that the majority of football fans bemoan the fact that players don't show loyalty, but then as he rightly points out are happy to dish it out to their own players and manager if things don't go so well. Football management is a tough job. It doesn't always go to plan, and maybe sometimes we should ride out the tough times and show a bit more patience and loyalty.
Would Sunderland have been better sticking with Bruce, or even O'Neil, for example? I think that's true, a lot clubs could show more loyalty and certainly Sunderland were probably too hasty in getting rid of Bruce. However, after the Cup final we had two years of decline at Stoke. Some fans (not including me) were calling for his head 12 months after the cup final but Coates stuck by him. In hindsight, given that there was another 12 months of decline, the club probably waited 12 months too long for a parting of the ways. At a time when managers come and go with ridiculous rapidity, I don't think you can accuse the club or the fans at Stoke of acting in haste where TP is concerned. By the time he left he was the third or fourth longest serving manager in the top two divisions.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 23, 2014 9:45:20 GMT
I thought we were letting this die now? I remember Hudson telling us we'd got no chance of staying up when we were promoted, then writing that grovelling book sucking up to the fans after he'd been proven wrong. I didn't post it to stir up the PHW/Rimmer debate - I expected someone would find it and post it if I didn't. It does surprise me that Huddy has chosen to take the route he has. He has close enough links to the club to realise that the fan base has always been split where TP is concerned. Show me a fan who didn't appreciate TP and I'll show you another who loved him to bits. The other thing which strikes me is the comment he makes about Palace players being better than the players TP had to work with at Stoke. In saying that he shoots himself in the foot - as every player at Stoke when TP left (apart from Shotton and Wilko?) was signed by TP. It isn't just the fan base that has polar opposite opinions on the subject, John. You can get quite a different opinion from Huddy himself when he is stood at the bar on the merits of the preferred methods of our ex-manager. No surprise there I guess.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 9:53:15 GMT
I didn't post it to stir up the PHW/Rimmer debate - I expected someone would find it and post it if I didn't. It does surprise me that Huddy has chosen to take the route he has. He has close enough links to the club to realise that the fan base has always been split where TP is concerned. Show me a fan who didn't appreciate TP and I'll show you another who loved him to bits. The other thing which strikes me is the comment he makes about Palace players being better than the players TP had to work with at Stoke. In saying that he shoots himself in the foot - as every player at Stoke when TP left (apart from Shotton and Wilko?) was signed by TP. It isn't just the fan base that has polar opposite opinions on the subject, John. You can get quite a different opinion from Huddy himself when he is stood at the bar on the merits of the preferred methods of our ex-manager. No surprise there I guess. Yes, it confirms all my feelings about him. I thought he was a superb player - had the lot. But, as a man, I wasn't impressed with him at the time he played for us and I'm not impressed now. Annoying really, no one likes to see that their idols have feet of clay. Best was another stunning player who didn't show the same strength of character off the pitch as he did on it.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 23, 2014 10:00:23 GMT
He's entitled to his opinion but his opinion is wrong.
Truth is he's just an old soak who used to be a great Stoke player but let's get real who takes note of aged alcoholic's opinion.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2014 10:08:30 GMT
Alan Hudsons drinking habits, whatever they happen to be, are nothing to do with his opinions about Pulis, it is underhand to suggest or hint that.
For me though the debate is now about whether Tony Pulis, tactically astute defensively, could produce exciting attacking teams. If he is a good coach, then I can't see why he couldn't do that, the argument then is does he want to. I think he probably believes his methods are best, certainly at teams like Stoke and Palace, even if the end result is not always crowd pleasing.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 10:21:40 GMT
Alan Hudsons drinking habits, whatever they happen to be, are nothing to do with his opinions about Pulis, it is underhand to suggest or hint that. For me though the debate is now about whether Tony Pulis, tactically astute defensively, could produce exciting attacking teams. If he is a good coach, then I can't see why he couldn't do that, the argument then is does he want to. I think he probably believes his methods are best, certainly at teams like Stoke and Palace, even if the end result is not always crowd pleasing. Is it bollox to suggest it. Huddy isn't the first person whose drinking habits coloured his opinions and he won't be the last. I've known plenty of people who, when they've had a few, can't remember what opinion they hold when they are sober.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 23, 2014 10:23:12 GMT
Alan Hudsons drinking habits, whatever they happen to be, are nothing to do with his opinions about Pulis, it is underhand to suggest or hint that. For me though the debate is now about whether Tony Pulis, tactically astute defensively, could produce exciting attacking teams. If he is a good coach, then I can't see why he couldn't do that, the argument then is does he want to. I think he probably believes his methods are best, certainly at teams like Stoke and Palace, even if the end result is not always crowd pleasing. Sorry, but Huddy's drinking habits has everything to do with his opinion on anything on any given day. Other than his racist opinions of course which just become more disgraceful the more he drinks but that is another issue. I just prefer to think about what a utterly wonderful footballer he was and will buy him a gin and orange any day of the week on the back of that. As for the rest of it...we have all done it to death. Tone has done a great job on many levels and no more so than with us when he kept Stoke up in his first season and with Palarse this season. I just don't want to have to watch his standard method of operation on a weekly basis and now I don't have to.
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