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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 22:28:10 GMT
Maybe he didn't think he couldn't do it? The smart money wasn't on him succeeding, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a go. If you're a manager you have to believe in yourself or what's the point? That was my point about his ego in the first place, he was about the only person who did think he could do it, he has proved to the world that he is unable to handle a job of this size by abjectly failing at the shit, in doing so he has succeeded in humiliating himself, was it worth the risk, as I have said before realise your own abilities/limitations as Moyes should have done. There's always the risk you'll humiliate yourself taking on any challenge. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The blame lies not with Moyes for taking the job, but with man utd for offering it to him in the first place.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2014 22:48:27 GMT
That was my point about his ego in the first place, he was about the only person who did think he could do it, he has proved to the world that he is unable to handle a job of this size by abjectly failing at the shit, in doing so he has succeeded in humiliating himself, was it worth the risk, as I have said before realise your own abilities/limitations as Moyes should have done. There's always the risk you'll humiliate yourself taking on any challenge. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The blame lies not with Moyes for taking the job, but with man utd for offering it to him in the first place. Not if you are up to it you will not, why try to undertake any task when it is obvious to everyone else accept yourself that you do not have the ability to complete it, the fact that he was offered a job that he was patently not up to and he decided to take on proves to me that his ego is a problem, he has proved that he is not good enough at that level, he has humiliated himself in presuming that he was in fact better than he thought, never mind it was a pisser while it lasted and he has hopefully set the shit back a good few years, chosen one my fuckin arse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 7:21:23 GMT
There's always the risk you'll humiliate yourself taking on any challenge. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The blame lies not with Moyes for taking the job, but with man utd for offering it to him in the first place. Not if you are up to it you will not, why try to undertake any task when it is obvious to everyone else accept yourself that you do not have the ability to complete it, the fact that he was offered a job that he was patently not up to and he decided to take on proves to me that his ego is a problem, he has proved that he is not good enough at that level, he has humiliated himself in presuming that he was in fact better than he thought, never mind it was a pisser while it lasted and he has hopefully set the shit back a good few years, chosen one my fuckin arse. If you're a football manager and you don't have an ego you're not going to get very far.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 9:59:08 GMT
Not if you are up to it you will not, why try to undertake any task when it is obvious to everyone else accept yourself that you do not have the ability to complete it, the fact that he was offered a job that he was patently not up to and he decided to take on proves to me that his ego is a problem, he has proved that he is not good enough at that level, he has humiliated himself in presuming that he was in fact better than he thought, never mind it was a pisser while it lasted and he has hopefully set the shit back a good few years, chosen one my fuckin arse. If you're a football manager and you don't have an ego you're not going to get very far. Agree with you but having an ego is one thing, being totally delusional regarding your abilities is another thing all together, for that reason I can not understand anyone having any sympathy with Moyes , he took on a job that he was not qualified to undertake in a proper manner end of, he has managed to spend over £60 million on players to strengthen last seasons champions(one of the world's biggest clubs) and turned them into a laughing stock, just shows what a poor decision it was by himself and AF.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2014 10:02:32 GMT
Can I just remind you that however shit, egotistical, delusional, whatever Moyes is, that sacking him via Twitter is totally classless and immoral... that was my point.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 10:44:28 GMT
Can I just remind you that however shit, egotistical, delusional, whatever Moyes is, that sacking him via Twitter is totally classless and immoral... that was my point. Sacking anyone via social media is out of order but it is a sign of the times I am afraid, if they had any morals at all they would have sacked him via text or email (joking), did they actually sack him via twitter ?, I thought he was called in for a face to face meeting with United representatives who pulled the trigger on him, I understand that the media got hold of the story before he was sacked and it spread via twitter, either way he will have a nice big compensation pay out which to be fair he would not have in almost any other line of work after failing to carry out his job to the required standard.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 25, 2014 11:29:11 GMT
Can I just remind you that however shit, egotistical, delusional, whatever Moyes is, that sacking him via Twitter is totally classless and immoral... that was my point. Agreed. Its a good thing they didn't sack him via Twitter then.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2014 11:32:41 GMT
Can I just remind you that however shit, egotistical, delusional, whatever Moyes is, that sacking him via Twitter is totally classless and immoral... that was my point. Sacking anyone via social media is out of order but it is a sign of the times I am afraid, if they had any morals at all they would have sacked him via text or email (joking), did they actually sack him via twitter ?, I thought he was called in for a face to face meeting with United representatives who pulled the trigger on him, I understand that the media got hold of the story before he was sacked and it spread via twitter, either way he will have a nice big compensation pay out which to be fair he would not have in almost any other line of work after failing to carry out his job to the required standard. Not exactly. Man Utd leaked the story to the media, which did the rounds on Twitter. Everyone knew he was sacked. He even phoned his representatives. The BBC practically confirmed it the night before. The guy lost his job before he even knew about it. As for the face to face meeting, he apparently got called in and while he was having the meeting, the Twitter post was made. He slipped out of the back to avoid the media. Can I just remind you that however shit, egotistical, delusional, whatever Moyes is, that sacking him via Twitter is totally classless and immoral... that was my point. Agreed. Its a good thing they didn't sack him via Twitter then. well, they did really didn't they?
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 25, 2014 11:39:20 GMT
Sacking anyone via social media is out of order but it is a sign of the times I am afraid, if they had any morals at all they would have sacked him via text or email (joking), did they actually sack him via twitter ?, I thought he was called in for a face to face meeting with United representatives who pulled the trigger on him, I understand that the media got hold of the story before he was sacked and it spread via twitter, either way he will have a nice big compensation pay out which to be fair he would not have in almost any other line of work after failing to carry out his job to the required standard. Not exactly. Man Utd leaked the story to the media, which did the rounds on Twitter. Everyone knew he was sacked. He even phoned his representatives. The BBC practically confirmed it the night before. The guy lost his job before he even knew about it. As for the face to face meeting, he apparently got called in and while he was having the meeting, the Twitter post was made. He slipped out of the back to avoid the media. Agreed. Its a good thing they didn't sack him via Twitter then. well, they did really didn't they? No. Not at all. Ed Woodward sacked him face to face on Tuesday morning. What the media/twitter managed to pick up was nothing to do with that meeting.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2014 11:56:54 GMT
Not exactly. Man Utd leaked the story to the media, which did the rounds on Twitter. Everyone knew he was sacked. He even phoned his representatives. The BBC practically confirmed it the night before. The guy lost his job before he even knew about it. As for the face to face meeting, he apparently got called in and while he was having the meeting, the Twitter post was made. He slipped out of the back to avoid the media. well, they did really didn't they? No. Not at all. Ed Woodward sacked him face to face on Tuesday morning. What the media/twitter managed to pick up was nothing to do with that meeting. No, but it was to do with Man Utd leaking sensitive details about a mans job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:01:48 GMT
Moyes can be blamed for a lot of things, but taking the job isn't one of them. He'd have looked even weaker if he hadn't taken it.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 16:40:16 GMT
No. Not at all. Ed Woodward sacked him face to face on Tuesday morning. What the media/twitter managed to pick up was nothing to do with that meeting. No, but it was to do with Man Utd leaking sensitive details about a mans job. I thought they had denied leaking any information about the Moyes situation.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 16:46:45 GMT
Moyes can be blamed for a lot of things, but taking the job isn't one of them. He'd have looked even weaker if he hadn't taken it. Why would he, if he had the balls to come out and say thanks for the offer but no thanks, at the moment I do not feel that I could do the job justice, I am pretty sure most would have understood and applauded his honesty, instead he took on a job that he must have known he did not have the credentials to carry out, inevitably he failed abysmally now he looks a right knob even trying to put the blame for his failure onto the players he managed and coached.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 25, 2014 16:59:19 GMT
RYAN GIGGS SAYS HE WANTS TO BRING THE FEAR FACTOR BACK TO THE MAN U DRESSING ROOM , HES DEMANDED THE MOBILE NUMBERS OF ALL THE PLAYERS WIVES
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 17:17:10 GMT
Moyes can be blamed for a lot of things, but taking the job isn't one of them. He'd have looked even weaker if he hadn't taken it. Why would he, if he had the balls to come out and say thanks for the offer but no thanks, at the moment I do not feel that I could do the job justice, I am pretty sure most would have understood and applauded his honesty, instead he took on a job that he must have known he did not have the credentials to carry out, inevitably he failed abysmally now he looks a right knob even trying to put the blame for his failure onto the players he managed and coached. Behave, that isn't how football works pasa. He'd have had his card marked as a coward who couldn't stomach a bigger job.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 18:58:33 GMT
Why would he, if he had the balls to come out and say thanks for the offer but no thanks, at the moment I do not feel that I could do the job justice, I am pretty sure most would have understood and applauded his honesty, instead he took on a job that he must have known he did not have the credentials to carry out, inevitably he failed abysmally now he looks a right knob even trying to put the blame for his failure onto the players he managed and coached. Behave, that isn't how football works pasa. He'd have had his card marked as a coward who couldn't stomach a bigger job. pasa ?????????????????????????, perhaps he would have been better thought of as a coward than a complete failure, he will now have on his record that he was the man who wrecked a championship winning team by spending £60million, reminds me of the McClaren debacle with England he was out of his depth as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:03:00 GMT
Behave, that isn't how football works pasa. He'd have had his card marked as a coward who couldn't stomach a bigger job. pasa ?????????????????????????, perhaps he would have been better thought of as a coward than a complete failure, he will now have on his record that he was the man who wrecked a championship winning team by spending £60million, reminds me of the McClaren debacle with England he was out of his depth as well. The McClaren who then went and won the Eredvisie and has done well at Derby? Moyes will be back, a bad job at a big club doesn't mean his career's over any more than any of the dog's home signings we accrued over the years weren't ruined. You can always bounce back.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 25, 2014 19:09:28 GMT
RYAN GIGGS SAYS HE WANTS TO BRING THE FEAR FACTOR BACK TO THE MAN U DRESSING ROOM , HES DEMANDED THE MOBILE NUMBERS OF ALL THE PLAYERS WIVES And boyfriends ;-) And why have we got a thread 9 pages long about The Shit
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 19:13:25 GMT
pasa ?????????????????????????, perhaps he would have been better thought of as a coward than a complete failure, he will now have on his record that he was the man who wrecked a championship winning team by spending £60million, reminds me of the McClaren debacle with England he was out of his depth as well. The McClaren who then went and won the Eredvisie and has done well at Derby? Moyes will be back, a bad job at a big club doesn't mean his career's over any more than any of the dog's home signings we accrued over the years weren't ruined. You can always bounce back. After leaving Holland where he managed to top a very poor league, did he then not manage another club in Germany in a better league can't remember how that went, did he then not re emerge at Nottingham Forest in the Championship for some reason he wasn't there very long, he has now turned up at Derby possibly found his proper level in English football, so we can expect Moyes to disappear off to the continent to re build his reputation before wrecking it again in a better league before ending up in the Championship I see now. So I was right in the first place , ideas above his station.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:19:05 GMT
The McClaren who then went and won the Eredvisie and has done well at Derby? Moyes will be back, a bad job at a big club doesn't mean his career's over any more than any of the dog's home signings we accrued over the years weren't ruined. You can always bounce back. After leaving Holland where he managed to top a very poor league, did he then not manage another club in Germany in a better league can't remember how that went, did he then not re emerge at Nottingham Forest in the Championship for some reason he wasn't there very long, he has now turned up at Derby possibly found his proper level in English football, so we can expect Moyes to disappear off to the continent to re build his reputation before wrecking it again in a better league before ending up in the Championship I see now. So I was right in the first place , ideas above his station. Not really as that logic is fucking mental. My point was that one failure doesn't necessarily wreck a man's career. Mourinho was sacked by Benfica. Clough came back from the Leeds disaster to do what he did at Forest. Pulis failed at Bristol City and then took a team from the Championship into Europe. Hughes failed at QPR and is rebuilding his reputation here.
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Post by trigger on Apr 25, 2014 19:25:45 GMT
Right I'm well and truly fed up with this crap, yes I now realise and don't care that Moyes has been sacked, I fukcin hope they wipe Old Trafford off the face of the earth along with their horrid fans.
Oh and I seem to recall that Liverpool are currently top of the Premier League.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 20:02:17 GMT
After leaving Holland where he managed to top a very poor league, did he then not manage another club in Germany in a better league can't remember how that went, did he then not re emerge at Nottingham Forest in the Championship for some reason he wasn't there very long, he has now turned up at Derby possibly found his proper level in English football, so we can expect Moyes to disappear off to the continent to re build his reputation before wrecking it again in a better league before ending up in the Championship I see now. So I was right in the first place , ideas above his station. Not really as that logic is fucking mental. My point was that one failure doesn't necessarily wreck a man's career. Mourinho was sacked by Benfica. Clough came back from the Leeds disaster to do what he did at Forest. Pulis failed at Bristol City and then took a team from the Championship into Europe. Hughes failed at QPR and is rebuilding his reputation here. The difference is that Moyes has managed in ten months to fuck up a massive world renown club, which with due respect in another stratosphere to the teams you are comparing it to, which is also fucking mental.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 20:05:13 GMT
Not really as that logic is fucking mental. My point was that one failure doesn't necessarily wreck a man's career. Mourinho was sacked by Benfica. Clough came back from the Leeds disaster to do what he did at Forest. Pulis failed at Bristol City and then took a team from the Championship into Europe. Hughes failed at QPR and is rebuilding his reputation here. The difference is that Moyes has managed in ten months to fuck up a massive world renown club, which with due respect in another stratosphere to the teams you are comparing it to, which is also fucking mental. Time is irrelevant, 10 months doesn't eradicate 10 years of doing a good job. He'll find his level again and be respected again.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2014 20:06:20 GMT
I dont mind being sacked over twitter if I get a few mill for it
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 20:22:25 GMT
The difference is that Moyes has managed in ten months to fuck up a massive world renown club, which with due respect in another stratosphere to the teams you are comparing it to, which is also fucking mental. Time is irrelevant, 10 months doesn't eradicate 10 years of doing a good job. He'll find his level again and be respected again. Fair enough he did a decent job at Everton without really pulling up any trees, in all honesty he failed when he signed bog brush head for £27 million , the next nine months he held on to the job so that the club could save face for Sir Alex, in this time he managed to sign Mata for £30million plus and played him out of position, he will find his level again though I am not sure PNE have a vacancy at the moment, could be an opening at Crewe soon mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 20:54:30 GMT
Time is irrelevant, 10 months doesn't eradicate 10 years of doing a good job. He'll find his level again and be respected again. Fair enough he did a decent job at Everton without really pulling up any trees, in all honesty he failed when he signed bog brush head for £27 million , the next nine months he held on to the job so that the club could save face for Sir Alex, in this time he managed to sign Mata for £30million plus and played him out of position, he will find his level again though I am not sure PNE have a vacancy at the moment, could be an opening at Crewe soon mind. He did a much better than 'decent' job there. He did an excellent job there and a toss job at Man U.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2014 21:41:25 GMT
Fair enough he did a decent job at Everton without really pulling up any trees, in all honesty he failed when he signed bog brush head for £27 million , the next nine months he held on to the job so that the club could save face for Sir Alex, in this time he managed to sign Mata for £30million plus and played him out of position, he will find his level again though I am not sure PNE have a vacancy at the moment, could be an opening at Crewe soon mind. He did a much better than 'decent' job there. He did an excellent job there and a toss job at Man U. And the fact of the matter is that you are only as good as your last job, and as you say he was pretty toss, so at the moment his standing is toss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 21:47:38 GMT
He did a much better than 'decent' job there. He did an excellent job there and a toss job at Man U. And the fact of the matter is that you are only as good as your last job, and as you say he was pretty toss, so at the moment his standing is toss. No that isn't the fact of the matter. It's a bollocks oversimplification, just like "you're only as good as your last game' which is also a load of shit. He's a good manager up to a certain level. Like Hodgson and Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 22:00:05 GMT
Moyes needs a 6 month break from management , and then a nice easy 'stable' club to ease him back into the fold.
Something like West Ham , Aston Villa , West Brom etc...
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2014 9:24:42 GMT
And the fact of the matter is that you are only as good as your last job, and as you say he was pretty toss, so at the moment his standing is toss. No that isn't the fact of the matter. It's a bollocks oversimplification, just like "you're only as good as your last game' which is also a load of shit. He's a good manager up to a certain level. Like Hodgson and Hughes. He has had 9 months worth of last games, during this time he has got consistently worse after 9 months in a job you would expect to get better surely, that's why I alluded to your last job it's not as if he has only struggled lately is it, should have stayed within his comfort zone where he was not expected to be competing for honours, he deserved the sack and he got it end of to suggest otherwise is quite frankly bollocks.
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