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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 8:43:25 GMT
Alternatively, it's not a conspiracy and if Adam really wants to avoid this sort of thing he needs to, you know, stop kicking people. Do you think it deserves a ban Rob, or more to the point, do you think he will get banned? I don't think it deserves a ban, it's the kind of thing that happens in games. The lengths people go to to defend him are becoming embarrassing though, it's not some massive Bond film media-led conspiracy, he has a reputation for a reason.
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Post by beanthedogscfc on Apr 6, 2014 8:45:10 GMT
Do you think it deserves a ban Rob, or more to the point, do you think he will get banned? I don't think it deserves a ban, it's the kind of thing that happens in games. The lengths people go to to defend him are becoming embarrassing though, it's not some massive Bond film media-led conspiracy, he has a reputation for a reason. Completely agree. He probably won't be banned but a word of warning over his future conduct might be in order. Not covering himself in glory
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 6, 2014 8:47:21 GMT
Do you think it deserves a ban Rob, or more to the point, do you think he will get banned? I don't think it deserves a ban, it's the kind of thing that happens in games. The lengths people go to to defend him are becoming embarrassing though, it's not some massive Bond film media-led conspiracy, he has a reputation for a reason. Can't say I disagree with that statement. Would not be opposed to Adam coming back into the starting 11 for the Newcastle game, however hopefully Ireland is back fit and raring to go. We missed him yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 8:48:52 GMT
Yeah,I mean how dare he win the ball off an opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 8:49:22 GMT
Yeah,I mean how dare he win the ball off an opponent. Winning the ball doesn't automatically validate every tackle you make.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 8:56:22 GMT
Yeah,I mean how dare he win the ball off an opponent. Winning the ball doesn't automatically validate every tackle you make. No it doesn't,you're right,and Charlie has been a bit clumsy in the past,but I'm commenting on yesterday's tackle,which is what this thread is about and it was a perfectly legal one in my view. I'm still of the opinion that he isn't a dirty player he's just a lazy tackler at times and by that I mean he's a bit slower to react than a lot of his opponents which then makes him look dirtier than he is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 8:58:43 GMT
Winning the ball doesn't automatically validate every tackle you make. No it doesn't,you're right,and Charlie has been a bit clumsy in the past,but I'm commenting on yesterday's tackle,which is what this thread is about and it was a perfectly legal one in my view. I'm still of the opinion that he isn't a dirty player he's just a lazy tackler at times and by that I mean he's a bit slower to react than a lot of his opponents which then makes him look dirtier than he is. Either way he needs to become a less 'lazy tackler' if he wants this sort of thing to stop following him around. I thought yesterday he knew what he was doing on both counts. Made sure he caught them both.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2014 9:01:10 GMT
We're turning into a bunch of Islington tarts, that's all I detect. Nothing in it.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 6, 2014 9:08:58 GMT
I think we can safely say the referee saw it Edit: That might be the liner actually.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2014 9:09:41 GMT
Alternatively, it's not a conspiracy and if Adam really wants to avoid this sort of thing he needs to, you know, stop kicking people. Absolute nonsense rob and you know it….although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season, football is a contact sport……there was absolutely NOTHING in that challenge from Adam yesterday. Bunch of fuckin girls half of these footballers these days….fuckin poofs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 9:17:56 GMT
No it doesn't,you're right,and Charlie has been a bit clumsy in the past,but I'm commenting on yesterday's tackle,which is what this thread is about and it was a perfectly legal one in my view. I'm still of the opinion that he isn't a dirty player he's just a lazy tackler at times and by that I mean he's a bit slower to react than a lot of his opponents which then makes him look dirtier than he is. Either way he needs to become a less 'lazy tackler' if he wants this sort of thing to stop following him around. I thought yesterday he knew what he was doing on both counts. Made sure he caught them both. Let's hope that the powers that be don't feel the same as you then Rob,otherwise Adam is fucked. What I will say though,is that if he is dragged over the coals for yesterday's tackle then he may as well hang his boots up because it was a perfectly legal challenge,where he won the ball,unfortunately his follow through caused him to step on the foot of his opponent,who then jumped on the floor and rolled around as if someone had taken a chainsaw to his foot! I think we are getting into this "intent" grey area again,so I'm done on this subject
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2014 9:19:52 GMT
It's not for the dirty side of his game, I actually quite like that! But for his general game and seeing Ireland and N'Zonzi play his role and do it much more to my liking, I really wouldn't be arsed if we sold him.
What's wrong with making sure You kick someone. Win the ball, kick the man-perfect tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 9:20:32 GMT
Alternatively, it's not a conspiracy and if Adam really wants to avoid this sort of thing he needs to, you know, stop kicking people. Absolute nonsense rob and you know it….although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season, football is a contact sport……there was absolutely NOTHING in that challenge from Adam yesterday. Bunch of fuckin girls half of these footballers these days….fuckin poofs He follows through and IMO he knows what he's doing. But yeah, grrr, man's game, not for girls and all that tiresome macho bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 9:24:08 GMT
Either way he needs to become a less 'lazy tackler' if he wants this sort of thing to stop following him around. I thought yesterday he knew what he was doing on both counts. Made sure he caught them both. Let's hope that the powers that be don't feel the same as you then Rob,otherwise Adam is fucked. What I will say though,is that if he is dragged over the coals for yesterday's tackle then he may as well hang his boots up because it was a perfectly legal challenge,where he won the ball,unfortunately his follow through caused him to step on the foot of his opponent,who then jumped on the floor and rolled around as if someone had taken a chainsaw to his foot! I think we are getting into this "intent" grey area again,so I'm done on this subject Yeah, it depends it you think he meant to do it. It's not Minority Report, so impossible to prove, but I think he meant it and I think he meant to do it to Luiz as well. I think when he's not playing well he gets frustrated and takes it out that way. As I say, one way or the other it keeps happening. Either he's doing it deliberately or he's the Mr Bean of tackling. It's getting him a reputation either way and it's not down to SPECTRE, Umbrella or the CIA.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2014 9:26:35 GMT
Absolute nonsense rob and you know it….although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season, football is a contact sport……there was absolutely NOTHING in that challenge from Adam yesterday. Bunch of fuckin girls half of these footballers these days….fuckin poofs He follows through and IMO he knows what he's doing. But yeah, grrr, man's game, not for girls and all that tiresome macho bullshit. Well thank the lord you're not a ref then rob (you're not a ref are you??? ) ….youd need a A4 pad in yer pocket what with all 'challenges' that go on all over the pitch !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 9:28:59 GMT
He follows through and IMO he knows what he's doing. But yeah, grrr, man's game, not for girls and all that tiresome macho bullshit. Well thank the lord you're a ref then rob (you're not a ref are you??? ) ….youd need a A4 pad in yer pocket what with all 'challenges' that go on all over the pitch !!!! I don't even know what that means. That challenge wasn't typical of the game. It wasn't an everyday challenge. Is Adam just unlucky?
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2014 9:35:12 GMT
Well thank the lord you're a ref then rob (you're not a ref are you??? ) ….youd need a A4 pad in yer pocket what with all 'challenges' that go on all over the pitch !!!! I don't even know what that means. That challenge wasn't typical of the game. It wasn't an everyday challenge. Is Adam just unlucky? I edited it fella….youre right it wasn't a typical challenge in the game I'll give you that…. Adam unlucky??? I wouldn't say he's unlucky at all I would stick my neck out and say in the tackling stakes he's Stokes "Paul Scholes' or "Robbie Savage' - just not his strong point….
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Post by cognacsmoker on Apr 6, 2014 9:40:53 GMT
although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season Nice eggcorn
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 6, 2014 9:42:34 GMT
It would not surprise me one bit if the powers that be ban Adam. After all, since the start of the Premiership, they have been corrupt and will continue to be so.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2014 9:42:44 GMT
although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season Nice eggcorn jesus hates christ !!!
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Post by cognacsmoker on Apr 6, 2014 9:46:31 GMT
jesus hates christ !!!
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Apr 6, 2014 9:52:45 GMT
If that tackle had been made by someone else we would not be discussing this. Unfortunately Charlie has been targeted by the BBC and the London media for past misendeavours.There was absolutely nothing sinister about that tackle and I find it difficult to believe how any one could see it differently.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2014 10:32:43 GMT
If that tackle had been made by someone else we would not be discussing this. Unfortunately Charlie has been targeted by the BBC and the London media for past misendeavours.There was absolutely nothing sinister about that tackle and I find it difficult to believe how any one could see it differently. Charlie does have history though and that's what the media do... We're always commenting on Joey Barton's history, so to suggest it's unfair to bring up Adam's is hypocritical.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 6, 2014 10:34:07 GMT
Lets see if Goals on Sunday highlight it in the next few minutes.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 6, 2014 10:38:04 GMT
Absolute nonsense rob and you know it….although admittedly its being scrutinised to the tenth degree this season, football is a contact sport……there was absolutely NOTHING in that challenge from Adam yesterday. Bunch of fuckin girls half of these footballers these days….fuckin poofs He follows through and IMO he knows what he's doing. But yeah, grrr, man's game, not for girls and all that tiresome macho bullshit. Agree 100%. He knew what he was doing - it's known "as letting a player know you are there". A dangerous thing to do these days when you've got loads of cameras around and particularly, in Adam's case, when you have plenty of previous. Check out any Old Firm game you'll see plenty of it going on. This is quite relevant for Charlie as that is, of course, what he was brought up on. The difference between that and the Arsenal incident is yesterday was far less obvious even with super slo' mo' technology. So on this occasion he'll certainly get away with it. Needs to take much more care in future though. A combination of poor tackling technique, lack of mobility (meaning he is generally late going into a tackle) and, seemingly, a desire to leave his mark on an opponent is not good and something Charlie and LMH and his staff need to work on. Adam is no use for us sat in the stand - particularly as he seems to need plenty of game time to keep his fitness levels high enough to play at Premier League level.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2014 10:43:12 GMT
He follows through and IMO he knows what he's doing. But yeah, grrr, man's game, not for girls and all that tiresome macho bullshit. Agree 100%. He knew what he was doing - it's known "as letting a player know you are there". A dangerous thing to do these days when you've got loads of cameras around and particularly, in Adam's case, when you have plenty of previous. Check out any Old Firm game you'll see plenty of it going on. This is quite relevant for Charlie as that is, of course, what he was brought up on. The difference between that and the Arsenal incident is yesterday was far less obvious even with super slo' mo' technology. So on this occasion he'll certainly get away with it. Needs to take much more care in future though. A combination of poor tackling technique, lack of mobility (meaning he is generally late going into a tackle) and, seemingly, a desire to leave his mark on an opponent is not good and something Charlie and LMH and his staff need to work on. Adam is no use for us sat in the stand - particularly as he seems to need plenty of game time to keep his fitness levels high enough to play at Premier League level.That's true. He looked knackered after about 20 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 11:23:32 GMT
It wasn't even a foul.His trouble is he's crap at tackling and is invariably half a yard slower than those he's trying to tackle. Having said that Adam is a dirty bugger who never learns.The focus is often on him because he has history.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 6, 2014 11:34:39 GMT
I'm not disputing that Adam is reckless and needs to calm down or else refs will be queuing up to send him off. For me this is why Ireland has to start ahead of him. Apart from being a better player he's not a walking red card. I do think they're singling him out though. For me Nolan's equally as bad if not worse and the elbow yesterday on Crouch seems to have been brushed under the carpet. Nothing wrong with punishing Charlie if others are being punished too.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 6, 2014 11:38:44 GMT
After taking the ball cleanly I fail to see anywhere else his foot could have possibly gone. The commentators on the stream I was watching said the same thing,and went on to ay if he trys to pull out there's every risk he would have got hurt instead.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 6, 2014 11:42:40 GMT
If Adam gets banned the FA should really look at themselves. How could Fellaini's elbow not result in a ban, and if Adam does get banned the FA is officially biased. Correct - not to mention the foul on Pieters yesterday
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