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Post by Paul_Stoke on Apr 27, 2008 14:07:19 GMT
I am sick and tired of reading threads on this board relating to people selling/wanting to buy tikcets for the leicester game.
I would ask you to consider the removal of these posts on the following grounds:
1. Ticket touting is Illegal.
2. Ticket touting is immoral (ripping other stoke fans off!!)
3. Drawing your attention to the ticket regulations - (6.If this ticket is resold or transferred without the previous written consent Stoke City FC it will become void and the holder may be refused entry to or ejected from the stadium).
By allowing these posts to develop it could be argued that you are playing a part in a potentially illegal activity. (not necessarily my opinion)
People who have spares should just take them back to the ticket office where they will be given a refund and resold as appropriate!
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Post by Maccca100 on Apr 27, 2008 14:15:57 GMT
whats it like being 95?
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Post by Jackalina on Apr 27, 2008 14:16:48 GMT
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Post by myleftboot on Apr 27, 2008 14:18:41 GMT
Ticket touting is not illegal if the ticket in question is being sold for face value. Neither is it immoral if this is the case.
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Post by stokecityscott on Apr 27, 2008 14:18:55 GMT
why i agree with you paul, but i also think your wrong there is alot of genuine fans without tickets and will do what ever it takes to get one. here are some rules and whats happend
SCORES, posssibly hundreds, of normally law-abiding football fans involve themselves each weekend in a criminal act because a law aimed at ticket touts can trap ordinary supporters.
It is a familiar scene outside every football ground, or in nearby streets and bars. A supporter, let down by a friend who unexpectedly cannot attend a game, makes contact with someone looking for a spare ticket.
They complete their seemingly innocent transaction and proceed contentedly to the match. But in the eyes of the law, their exchange amounts to illegal touting. The offence is committed even if - as generally happens - the ticket has changed hands between followers of the same club and at face value.
But a Telegraph survey of police forces with Premiership clubs in their areas reveals stark differences in the way officers react. If a fan arriving at Southampton's ground, the Dell, tries to dispose of a ticket, police are unlikely to take action unless he offers it to a rival supporter.
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However, someone attempting the same exercise outside the away end at Leeds or Bradford should expect to be arrested, thrown in the cells and charged. The buyer would have his money returned, and remain ticketless. Neither the Hampshire officer turning a blind eye, nor the West Yorkshire constable reaching for handcuffs, can be accused of acting improperly. The latter is observing the letter of the law; the former its spirit.
Under the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act, now extended by the 1999 Football (Offences and Disorder) Act, the buyer is not liable to prosecution. But any fan selling or offering to sell, without authority, a ticket for a "designated football match" in any public place faces a fine of up to £5,000.
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The law was introduced after the Taylor report into the Hillsborough disaster. Its aim was to crack down on touts, and keep opposing fans segregated. David Maclean, then a Home Office minister, indicated that the law was not intended to trap the fan seeking to get rid of an unwanted match ticket.
The Telegraph inquiries showed that while some police forces and individual officers fully endorse Mr Maclean's sentiments, others effectively reject them. Football liaison officers at two forces said "the law is an ass", blaming Parliament's failure to establish a clear distinction.
Ian Todd, chairman of the National Federation of Football Supporters' Clubs, which represents followers of about 80 teams, said: "We told the Government at the time that the way the law was framed was a nonsense." The federation supports the idea of "buy-back" schemes, not unlike those operated by theatres in London's West End, so that fans could dispose legally of surplus tickets.
Yesterday delegates from the federation and the Football Supporters' Association raised their concerns at a meeting with Tim Hollis, a South Yorkshire assistant chief constable who speaks for the Association of Chief Police Officers on football policing issues.
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Mr Todd said Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, would also be asked to give police forces guidance, reminding them of Mr Maclean's views. But the Home Office says that while it is "sympathetic" to the plight of the fan caught up by the Act, the specific exclusion of such cases would open loopholes for touts.
Mr Hollis said: "Ticket touts use runners to keep them supplied with tickets so if they get stopped, they'll have just two tickets in their possession and say they are an honest supporter trying to get rid of some tickets.
The police are in the invidious position of trying to enforce the law and inevitably, because you've got the discretion, there will be incidents where legitimate fans feel hard done by. There's no simple solution."
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Post by stokecityscott on Apr 27, 2008 14:20:23 GMT
THE POLICE CLEARLY BELIEVE THAT ticket touts are getting younger all the time.
That's the obvious conclusion to be drawn from a recent incident in which a ten-year-old Stoke City fan was reported to the police by the club secretary for trying to sell a ticket for a match he couldn't attend via an advert in the local paper. The ticket was worth £11, he was asking £7.
It seems that a lot of fans still don't know about the provisions of the Criminal Justice Act that can be applied to football spectators, and are suffering as a result.
The new laws have been used to justify the arrest and conviction of fans who are clearly not touts, caught trying to sell on their own tickets at cost price. Two recent incidents exemplify the problem.
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Firstly, there are the three Birmingham City fans arrested at Wycombe on 17th March,1995. One held a spare ticket bought by a friend who couldn't make it to the match.
Standing outside the away end, he tried to sell it at the cost price of £6.50. Despite producing his St. Andrews season ticket in an effort to prove that he was not a tout, he was arrested at 2.30 and held for eight hours, missing his last train home.
The two other fans also held one ticket belonging to someone who couldn't go to the game, and stood by the away entrance offering it for £6.50. They were picked up after being approached by a plain clothes officer. Again they produced their season tickets to no avail.
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Then there is the case of the coach driver from a travel firm, which regularly arranges match trips for Swedish supporters of English clubs. The company were left with spare tickets after seven fans were unable to come on the latest trip.
They hoped to recoup the money through their driver selling the spares outside the ground being visited by the group.
He was arrested, but when he came to court, even the presiding judge was at a loss to understand why the case had been brought, and asked the prosecuting counsel whether the tickets had been stolen or were forgeries.
If law officials are still in the dark about the Criminal justice ct, what hope is there for the ordinary citizen?
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Referring to the unauthorized sale of tickets in a public place, the November 1994 edition of the Westminster Strategy Report, produced by the government's media relations department, states, "...The aim is to prevent the professional ticket tout but not, for instance, to make it illegal for someone to sell on a ticket to a friend or relation."
This directive is being ignored by some police forces keen to bump up their arrest figures. How could the Birmingham fans seeking to make £6.50 for the sale of one ticket possibly be confused with the professionals we've all seen in the vicinity of football stadiums clutching wads of spares and offering to buy?
If there is a crime here, who is the victim?
The police always say that ticket less fans shouldn't travel, but there are umpteen cases of tickets for supposedly all-ticket matches being made available by the home club on the day.
Supporters will always make the journey while clubs are prepared to contradict the information they themselves have put out.
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Post by bertieb on Apr 27, 2008 14:23:03 GMT
I am sick and tired of reading threads on this board relating to people selling/wanting to buy tikcets for the leicester game. Dont read them then. Simple really RS |
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Post by Paul_Stoke on Apr 27, 2008 14:24:13 GMT
my left boot, if you resell at purchase price I would not classify this as touting. To 'tout' would be to sell for profit and quite fankly i think those of you who have smited to for being factual about a legal stance are totally laughable ??? ??? ???
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 27, 2008 14:32:46 GMT
What a load of old codswollop!!
I sold 2 tickets for Colchester for more than I paid for them purely because I couldnt get down to colchester as all the coaches were full.
I wasnt ripping anyone off. As it was such a high profile game people were prepared to pay over the odds as they were desperate for tickets. I was inundated with PMs off people wanting to buy the tickets off me for alot more than I paid for them.
Im hardly going to say no am I!!!
Im certainly no ticket tout either. I had every intention of going to the game and certainly didnt buy the tickets originally with the intention of selling them as like most stokies I really wanted to go to the game.
I only found out on friday that the coaches were full so by that point there is no way the club would have had them back off me anyway at such a late time.
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Post by Paul_Stoke on Apr 27, 2008 14:37:37 GMT
I too sold a ticket for the coclhester away game as one of my mates did not go. I was offered £40+ for the ticket but only accepted the £19 I paid for it - I gave Ilford dave his £1 change finally yesterday.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 27, 2008 14:41:11 GMT
That is very noble of you paulstoke. But if someone offers me a few extra quid I aint going to say no pal.
Doesnt mean what im doing is illegal either. Im sure 99% of people would do the same.
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Post by parkhallpussy on Apr 27, 2008 14:41:41 GMT
I have just had a call of a mate who has got me a ticket of a season ticket holder he has been to every home match but £200 will pay half of next seasons ticket .
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Post by bertieb on Apr 27, 2008 14:45:23 GMT
But a Telegraph survey of police forces with Premiership clubs in their areas reveals stark differences in the way officers react. If a fan arriving at Southampton's ground, the Dell, tries to dispose of a ticket, police are unlikely to take action unless he offers it to a rival supporter. Can't be much demand for those anyway I should imagine How old is this article?  |
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Post by bertieb on Apr 27, 2008 14:54:17 GMT
Thanks for the smite, petty bastard   RS |
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Post by daverichards on Apr 27, 2008 16:49:08 GMT
I too sold a ticket for the coclhester away game as one of my mates did not go. I was offered £40+ for the ticket but only accepted the £19 I paid for it - I gave Ilford dave his £1 change finally yesterday. ;D you could have kept the quid I wouldn't have minded ;D |
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Post by s7oke on Apr 27, 2008 16:52:43 GMT
there are alot of miserable bastards on here who gives a shit about ticket touting when the premiership beckons
BE PLENTY MORE DEMAND FOR TICKETS THEN
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Post by scfclifer on Apr 27, 2008 17:31:11 GMT
i couldn't go to the bristol game and sold my ticket on here for 5 quid does that make me a tout stop moaning ffs
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