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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 17, 2014 20:19:53 GMT
has anything been made of this in the press ?
Suarez has been shown up (and quite rightly so) a few times along with Ashley Young.
Id be VERY surprised if no one has….cheatin bastard that he is !!!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 17, 2014 20:27:09 GMT
But he's the future of England's national squad ....
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 17, 2014 20:32:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 20:44:48 GMT
No. When English players do it it's clever professional play that's all part of the modern game. It's only when you dirty foreign types do it that it's a mortal sin worthy of genital clamps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 20:58:44 GMT
No. When English players do it it's clever professional play that's all part of the modern game. It's only when you dirty foreign types do it that it's a mortal sin worthy of genital clamps. I don't think this is really the case anymore. I think the media's attitude towards diving has changed over the past few months, and not for the better. It was about a month or so ago that Suarez collided with a keeper, resulting in the obligatory Liverpool penalty (is there any club better at this). The discussion on Five-Live was about how clever Suarez had been. They even called it a skill, the way he'd angled his run to make the collision more likely. The word cheat was nowhere to be heard. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 21:25:09 GMT
He is a Cheat. This needs sorting. Make no bones about it. I personally hate it, and would not condone it from one of our team. Same as Eto,o the other week and numerous other,s prior to it. It should be highlighted and stopped. End of!
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 17, 2014 21:27:29 GMT
He is a Cheat. This needs sorting. Make no bones about it. I personally hate it, and would not condone it from one of our team. Same as Eto,o the other week and numerous other,s prior to it. It should be highlighted and stopped. End of! 10 match ban….end of problem The FA will never do it though…. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 17, 2014 21:42:34 GMT
He shouldn't be taken to the World Cup. That should be his punishment for cheating and it should be made known to the press. Welbeck gets the same treatment.
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Post by burge2u on Mar 17, 2014 21:54:54 GMT
Another 'Spanish Penalty' ? ?
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 17, 2014 22:09:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 22:17:59 GMT
No. When English players do it it's clever professional play that's all part of the modern game. It's only when you dirty foreign types do it that it's a mortal sin worthy of genital clamps. I disagree. I detest all cheats and from your comments it might be construed that once again the race card is being played , which I don't believe is the case. Cheats come in all shapes and sizes and different colours. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 17, 2014 22:21:48 GMT
sturridge and boyd this weekend diving and cheating, Mills said it was a dive and cheating on motd 2, but its quite otherwise
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Post by Billybigbollox on Mar 17, 2014 22:25:32 GMT
Cheating fucker. If it wasn't him it would've been Stirling or Beaver teeth.
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Post by stuammo on Mar 17, 2014 22:43:06 GMT
Playing devils advocate, did he dive or did he just go down expecting the challenge?? To be fair, the slow motion replays after, show there was little if any contact. however, the tackle went in and was nowhere near the ball and realistically the only outcome was a penalty.
Then you go to the refs view, and every day of the week he is giving a penalty for that type of tackle, from the angle he is at.
Whilst I agree that Sturridge looked for it, was there a degree of inevitability about it??
Plus I hate the man utd wankers.........ha ha ha!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 22:48:08 GMT
Playing devils advocate, did he dive or did he just go down expecting the challenge?? To be fair, the slow motion replays after, show there was little if any contact. however, the tackle went in and was nowhere near the ball and realistically the only outcome was a penalty. Then you go to the refs view, and every day of the week he is giving a penalty for that type of tackle, from the angle he is at. Whilst I agree that Sturridge looked for it, was there a degree of inevitability about it?? Plus I hate the man utd wankers.........ha ha ha!! Whilst I accept the point you are attempting to make the only way of describing this incident accurately is a 'deliberate act of cheating'. I STRONGLY believe that in such circumstances a player found guilty of this should receive an automatic 10 match ban. Its an absolute disgrace. |
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 17, 2014 22:52:59 GMT
The only pundit who I saw call him out was Danny Mills, Neville sounded impressed by it.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 17, 2014 22:54:59 GMT
I thought we'd missed at least 2 pens this season. According to those we've had 3 and scored 2  |
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 17, 2014 22:58:20 GMT
I thought we'd missed at least 2 pens this season. According to those we've had 3 and scored 2 Walters missed at Liverpool, Adam scored at Swansea and Walters scored against Arse. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 17, 2014 23:05:28 GMT
I thought we'd missed at least 2 pens this season. According to those we've had 3 and scored 2 Walters missed at Liverpool, Adam scored at Swansea and Walters scored against Arse. Walters pen against Norwich and I'm sure he's missed another  |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 17, 2014 23:06:21 GMT
It all stems from the management, I may be wrong but did Rogers even criticize the dive??? If Pulis was the manager you can bet your last dollar that he'd ensure that Sturridge was dealt with properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 10:11:33 GMT
No. When English players do it it's clever professional play that's all part of the modern game. It's only when you dirty foreign types do it that it's a mortal sin worthy of genital clamps. I don't think this is really the case anymore. I think the media's attitude towards diving has changed over the past few months, and not for the better. It was about a month or so ago that Suarez collided with a keeper, resulting in the obligatory Liverpool penalty (is there any club better at this). The discussion on Five-Live was about how clever Suarez had been. They even called it a skill, the way he'd angled his run to make the collision more likely. The word cheat was nowhere to be heard. that's a different kettle of fish though...drawing a foul or making damn sure a foul is made by the defender/goalie/whoever, is clever play as it's gaining your team an advantage by winning a free kick and has gone on for decades (even in the early 80s when i was growing up) but that's completely different to diving on the floor when no-one's actually touched you.suarez beat the man to the ball just before they went in for it so he drew the foul, Sturridge however jumped onto the ground without being touched, apples and oranges mate |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 18, 2014 10:49:03 GMT
Oddly enough, there's very little media condemnation of Sturridge. I wonder why...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 12:37:15 GMT
I don't think this is really the case anymore. I think the media's attitude towards diving has changed over the past few months, and not for the better. It was about a month or so ago that Suarez collided with a keeper, resulting in the obligatory Liverpool penalty (is there any club better at this). The discussion on Five-Live was about how clever Suarez had been. They even called it a skill, the way he'd angled his run to make the collision more likely. The word cheat was nowhere to be heard. that's a different kettle of fish though...drawing a foul or making damn sure a foul is made by the defender/goalie/whoever, is clever play as it's gaining your team an advantage by winning a free kick and has gone on for decades (even in the early 80s when i was growing up) but that's completely different to diving on the floor when no-one's actually touched you.suarez beat the man to the ball just before they went in for it so he drew the foul, Sturridge however jumped onto the ground without being touched, apples and oranges mate If you're instigating the contact deliberately, then I don't see why the other person should be penalised. Maybe there have been rule changes I wasn't aware of, but for the past 40 years, I've always believed a penalty was given when the defender had deliberately committed a foul, rather than the now accepted "oooh, there was contact!" I accept that trying to win penalties by whatever means has probably always gone on. It just seems that now, the parameters for what is accepted as being a penalty seem to have been widened to the point where any defender attempting a tackle is now much more likely to give away a penalty than in days gone by. Leaving the difference in instigating contact and actually diving aside, the main point I was trying to make earlier was that the media seem to have changed their mindset over whether an attacking player is cheating or being clever. Even with the Sturridge incident on Sunday, I heard one summariser (think it was on MotD2) say he thought Sturridge may have been anticipating contact. Again, harking back to the past, when I played, if I thought someone was about to kick me, I'd jump out of the way, not slump to the floor in a 'where have my legs gone' kind of way. It just wasn't a natural action. I'm not too much of a hypocrite to say that I've not been pleased on the odd occasion when one of ours has dived and won a penalty (Owen v Argentina - can't think of a Stoke one at the moment), but when, in my opinion, the media are now coming round to condoning and even congratulating cheating, and given the power and influence the media appear to have, I really think the game is going an even bigger step down the grimey slope it's already on. |
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Mar 18, 2014 14:30:49 GMT
It's cheating plain and simple, it's cheating of the worst kind, it's not clever, it's not the defenders fault for going in with a challenge, its just plain cheating.
The game is being spoiled by a who can hit the ground first mentality and games are being won and lost by cheating not endeavour. Vidic did not deserve to walk but the sad thing is he is a mate of Ashley Young who is also a cheat.
Until managers like Pulis, Hughes, Moyes, Allerdyce etc stand up and be counted and refuse to pick players or not pay players then nothing will change. Brendan Rodgers has had plenty of opportunities to condemn his cheats but will he do so, no.
Liverpool are neither the team or the club they were, they were the backbone of British football at one time now they are the worst example.
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Post by meirman61 on Mar 18, 2014 23:28:53 GMT
If we have retro bans for tackles,lets have em for cheating diving fu****s that will stop em ban them for a game or two.
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Post by bloody56 on Mar 19, 2014 0:03:57 GMT
Brendon rogers' sides always get a lot of penalties. He says the way his teams play means they are more likely to be fouled in the box. I think he just encourages them to dive.
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Post by thfc6061 on Mar 19, 2014 1:01:14 GMT
I thought we'd missed at least 2 pens this season. According to those we've had 3 and scored 2 Jonathan Walters missed a penalty on the opening day of the season at Liverpool (saved by Simon Mignolet) Charlie Adam scored away at Swansea. Jonathan Walters scored at home against Arsenal. Jonathan Walters scored away at Norwich. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 19, 2014 7:34:09 GMT
Only reason Man Utd aren't making more of it with Vidic being sent off is because it would look silly and like sour grapes as they got stuffed.
Ban divers for 5 games, Sturridge and Boyd from this weekend for a start, then kneecap them.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 19, 2014 8:27:01 GMT
I have said it before,any player found cheating by a panel, should get a season long ban,if that does not put a stop to cheating, nothing will.
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Post by thfc6061 on Mar 19, 2014 8:54:41 GMT
I have said it before,any player found cheating by a panel, should get a season long ban,if that does not put a stop to cheating, nothing will. Make him play wearing a shocking pink tutu with matching handbag. |
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