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Post by MadMarko10 on Mar 15, 2014 18:16:21 GMT
What the fucking hell have Pulis and a player that didn't play have to do with the win today?
Talk about moronic cuntish agendas, it's embarrassing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 15, 2014 18:23:29 GMT
As I said on another thread quote "literally why the fuck have we been starting Walters week in week out for the past 2 and a half years?"
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 15, 2014 18:24:14 GMT
As a whole this was arguably our finest performance in a few years.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 15, 2014 18:27:21 GMT
What the fucking hell have Pulis and a player that didn't play have to do with the win today? Talk about moronic cuntish agendas, it's embarrassing. Personally I think hes just highlighting the obvious stat that without Walters we looked a far more balanced, threatening side with players who can actually play half decent football. Creativity, guile, and the ability to be clinical in front of goal is everything at this level. Arnie might have a questionable attitude at times but on the whole I'd say hes relatively hard working and when he wants to be is as good as any player we've had in recent years. Really hope he can kick on from this performance. Think him and Odemwingie are qoing to become quite a partnership in those forward areas.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 18:30:33 GMT
I don't think we would have won if he played today. Breath of fresh air to see footballers on the pitch. Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2014 18:32:04 GMT
I don't think we would have won if he played today. Breath of fresh air to see footballers on the pitch. Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol You think Cameron is a footballer? Bless!
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 18:33:16 GMT
Jon Walters is a STOKE player he is as important as the rest and like Ireland today might not always start but when needed SJW steps up. He's not always been a clinical finisher but he's been a key signing for us and I couldn't imagine our team being where it is without him this season he's more a figure than a contributing goal scorer now much like nzonzi or whelan they do alot of unseen work and migth fluff a chance a game but damn it layoff a man not on the pitch. On it is something else...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 15, 2014 18:33:16 GMT
Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol You think Cameron is a footballer? Bless! In fairness I thought Cameron was fucking dire today. Consistently lost possession and looked pretty hopeless all round. He was the only weak link mind. Most the team were outstanding. We do need a new right back in the summer. That's pretty clear.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2014 18:33:46 GMT
I don't think we would have won if he played today. Breath of fresh air to see footballers on the pitch. Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol Cameron had a shocking game today and looks a weak link in our side.
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 15, 2014 18:34:44 GMT
Whether we would have won or not nobody can say. However, we certainly wouldn't have been able to take the piss for the last 15 minutes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2014 18:34:53 GMT
Yup, a new right back is a must!
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Post by steve66 on Mar 15, 2014 18:34:59 GMT
Or maybe he would have scored 5 goals and scissored Fat Sam on the center circle at half time... My point is you can't say what would've happened had we been able to play Walters because we have no idea because it didn't fucking happen. Maybe he would have had the game of his life, maybe he wouldn't have been picked. Either way it doesn't matter and this is just an awful excuse to continue bashing a player who has had one of his better seasons, even if he did set a fucking low bar previously... These hypotheticals do my nut in, totally irrelevant! Could not of put it any better, pointless idiotic post by originator.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 18:36:44 GMT
Whilst I don't think Walters is good enough, the way some of you speak about him disgusts me. It's as if you're referring to a serial-killer rather than a guy who is an awesome role-model, alongside Gary Neville and a few others, of just how far you can go with very little talent but a shitload of determination. Granted, I don't think he's good enough for us and I agree with people who don't want him playing for Stoke, but I can't even begin to empathise with people who display a clear hatred towards Walters.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 18:37:18 GMT
Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol You think Cameron is a footballer? Bless! Wilko play's hoofball come off it. Gcam runs rings around anyone else we have at RB easily... When Cameron got his egg on his head Shotton looked to get up off the bench Hughes stood up turned at him and wilko then turned back to the field lol Wilko wasn't even a thought.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 15, 2014 18:38:48 GMT
Walters wonner missed one iota today.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 18:39:10 GMT
I think we can safely say that the argument about whether we would miss Walters or not has been well and truly put to bed. We looked as threatening going forward today than we have for a long time and that had a lot to do with the threat out wide on both flanks.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 18:39:31 GMT
Said the man who want's wilko to start before gcam... You getting soft bayern? lol Cameron had a shocking game today and looks a weak link in our side. I thought Bego had the worst performance of anyone in a stoke kit and his first in a long time. He had one good save and other than that way iffy coming for the ball vs Carroll.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Mar 15, 2014 18:46:54 GMT
What the fucking hell have Pulis and a player that didn't play have to do with the win today? Talk about moronic cuntish agendas, it's embarrassing. Personally I think hes just highlighting the obvious stat that without Walters we looked a far more balanced, threatening side with players who can actually play half decent football. Creativity, guile, and the ability to be clinical in front of goal is everything at this level. Arnie might have a questionable attitude at times but on the whole I'd say hes relatively hard working and when he wants to be is as good as any player we've had in recent years. Really hope he can kick on from this performance. Think him and Odemwingie are qoing to become quite a partnership in those forward areas. It's all hypothetical though Rossi. I put today down to Hughes's philosophy and tactics clicking, not because one player was missing. If we perform in the same manner over the next two games without Walters then the hypothesis has more evidence. However, to start bashing a manager and player that weren't present today is a little bit fucking sad. Is it impossible for some to simply enjoy a victory and good performance?
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 18:57:04 GMT
Personally I think hes just highlighting the obvious stat that without Walters we looked a far more balanced, threatening side with players who can actually play half decent football. Creativity, guile, and the ability to be clinical in front of goal is everything at this level. Arnie might have a questionable attitude at times but on the whole I'd say hes relatively hard working and when he wants to be is as good as any player we've had in recent years. Really hope he can kick on from this performance. Think him and Odemwingie are qoing to become quite a partnership in those forward areas. It's all hypothetical though Rossi. I put today down to Hughes's philosophy and tactics clicking, not because one player was missing. If we perform in the same manner over the next two games without Walters then the hypothesis has more evidence. However, to start bashing a manager and player that weren't present today is a little bit fucking sad. Is it impossible for some to simply enjoy a victory and good performance? It's like the "this player was outstanding" should be MoM crowds post match irrelevant of actual performances of others it's so biased and agenda driven it's just as bad as this thread. Muniesa had an amazing game and I was the only one to post a thread on it besides the usual Whelan, Arnie and Ryan love ins... Pathetic.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 15, 2014 18:59:44 GMT
Jon is a great squad player, but today we didn't miss him one inch!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 15, 2014 19:01:17 GMT
Personally I think hes just highlighting the obvious stat that without Walters we looked a far more balanced, threatening side with players who can actually play half decent football. Creativity, guile, and the ability to be clinical in front of goal is everything at this level. Arnie might have a questionable attitude at times but on the whole I'd say hes relatively hard working and when he wants to be is as good as any player we've had in recent years. Really hope he can kick on from this performance. Think him and Odemwingie are qoing to become quite a partnership in those forward areas. It's all hypothetical though Rossi. I put today down to Hughes's philosophy and tactics clicking, not because one player was missing. If we perform in the same manner over the next two games without Walters then the hypothesis has more evidence. However, to start bashing a manager and player that weren't present today is a little bit fucking sad. Is it impossible for some to simply enjoy a victory and good performance? I take your point but I'm a firm believer that Walters is a key component of many of our woes of the past 2 and a half seasons. One of the biggest problems Pulis had as a manager for us was his teams were so hapless up front. Poor forwards and no pace contributed massively to his downfall. It's no coincidence IMO that Hughes' finest 90 minutes at Stoke came without a forward who has started week in week out for 2 and half years in a team that has lacked pace, creativity and ability to score. Take such a hindrance out and it's amazing what we can achieve as a team. That's just my opinion bud.
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Post by adi on Mar 15, 2014 19:01:42 GMT
He slows the play down and takes 4/5 touches when 1 is needed. I highly doubt (is that better) that we would have scored the third if he was playing. And the second required a basic level of touch and movement that he doesn't possess either. I'm shocked Bayern!
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Post by trigger on Mar 15, 2014 19:01:58 GMT
The main reason is that PO can actually cut inside from the right hand side and link up with the central midfield players, oh and knows where the goal is, just goes to show you don't have to run up and down like a headless chicken for ninety minutes.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Mar 15, 2014 19:09:45 GMT
It's all hypothetical though Rossi. I put today down to Hughes's philosophy and tactics clicking, not because one player was missing. If we perform in the same manner over the next two games without Walters then the hypothesis has more evidence. However, to start bashing a manager and player that weren't present today is a little bit fucking sad. Is it impossible for some to simply enjoy a victory and good performance? I take your point but I'm a firm believer that Walters is a key component of many of our woes of the past 2 and a half seasons. One of the biggest problems Pulis had as a manager for us was his teams were so hapless up front. Poor forwards and no pace contributed massively to his downfall. It's no coincidence IMO that Hughes' finest 90 minutes at Stoke came without a forward who has started week in week out for 2 and half years in a team that has lacked pace, creativity and ability to score. Take such a hindrance out and it's amazing what we can achieve as a team. That's just my opinion bud. But that's my point, Pulis has nothing to do with today, it was Hughes, his tactics and the eleven on the field. Pulis should never be mentioned. I understand your, and others' opinions, on Walters but that's why I said that if the same happens over the next two games then it does give the opinion far more basis. I do put today's excellent performance more down to the tactics and philosophy clicking, something I've expected to happen, a game where the majority of our attacking play works superbly. Whether this is down to Walters missing is open to debate. Give it another two games in which he's suspended and we'll have a far better answer. It's unfair to put today down to Walters missing, it's one game. We'll see after another two. That's all my point is but I do understand why people are coming to the conclusion that they are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 19:14:36 GMT
Leave Jon alone.
Sit back open a bottle of bourbon and enjoy this fine win.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 15, 2014 19:22:31 GMT
You can't blame Jon for PO coming in taking RW and helping our side in attack as well. It's allowed glenn, cameron and nzonzi to sit more and his finishing needs no introduction... SJW is still vital but PO is first on the sheet for me... HIGHLY underrated Transfer for us... keep talking about arnie and glenda but PO has been a revelation for the right side.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 19:26:23 GMT
It's all hypothetical though Rossi. I put today down to Hughes's philosophy and tactics clicking, not because one player was missing. If we perform in the same manner over the next two games without Walters then the hypothesis has more evidence. However, to start bashing a manager and player that weren't present today is a little bit fucking sad. Is it impossible for some to simply enjoy a victory and good performance? I take your point but I'm a firm believer that Walters is a key component of many of our woes of the past 2 and a half seasons. One of the biggest problems Pulis had as a manager for us was his teams were so hapless up front. Poor forwards and no pace contributed massively to his downfall. It's no coincidence IMO that Hughes' finest 90 minutes at Stoke came without a forward who has started week in week out for 2 and half years in a team that has lacked pace, creativity and ability to score. Take such a hindrance out and it's amazing what we can achieve as a team. That's just my opinion bud. And it's an opinion that I wholeheartedly agree with. Absolutely bob on that post is and sums up my feelings to a tee.
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