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Post by lancer on Mar 3, 2014 9:16:40 GMT
I see that Graham Poll, the fount of all knowledge and Daily Mail anti Stoke ex ref, has voiced his impartial opinion re Charlie Adam.
Quote one:- Stoke were very fortunate to benefit from two decision by referee Mike Jones.
I could not agree with the handball given against Laurent Koscielny and Charlie Adam should have been dismissed for his stamp on Oliver Giroud.
Quote two :-Of course it is very difficult to prove intent but I do not think you need to in this case. Nor do you need to ask the referee if he saw the incident clearly as the FA has a panel in place to judge that.
So, the ref at the game isn't good enough to award the penalty, and he wasn't biased against Stoke.
It's difficult to prove intent, but he passes his judgement anyway.The penalty was blatant, the 'stamping' wasn't, but it doesn't fit in with his own bias,so he makes the obvious choices.
Yes. I can see why you were rated so highly, Mr. Poll.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 3, 2014 9:25:54 GMT
Very disappointing and somewhat unprofessional to criticise a fellow referee in this way.
Had the same comments been made by a manager, then no doubt they would have been fined
OK it's an opinion, the referees report hasn't been made public as far as I know, so it is totally unacceptable to air his views immediately
Surely the FA DO have to ask the referee / linesman if he saw the incident.
To be fair I think the contact did deserve a booking which may indicate that both officials missed it, but intent is very difficult to assess, indeed there were several robust challenges from each team.
This seems to be trial by media and the FA should stick to the laws of the game.
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Post by lancer on Mar 3, 2014 9:33:24 GMT
Great respone, jey, and my thoughts exactly.The penalty, imho, which will alter nothing, was blatant, no doubt about it. The Charlie incident, I'm not sure whether the intent was there or not, nor does anyone else. As I saw it on the replays, Charlie didn't look where he was putting his foot,again, imho, he could just as easily not made contact.No intent can be proven, so, innocent until proven guilty should apply.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2014 9:38:29 GMT
The penalty for me was blatant. I'm amazed so many people are saying it wasn't... or is it one of those that would have been a penalty if it'd been the other team eh?
Anyway, the Charlie incident wasn't nice and I think he will get a punishment. No you can't prove intent, but I think you could argue Adam perhaps could have turned slightly to avoid it. I don't know, at the end of the day, the FA will probably retrospectively ban him. Who cares about Graham Poll? Tinpot ref who gave 3 yellow cards to one player in the world cup. If that isn't shit refereeing, I don't know what is.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 3, 2014 9:41:27 GMT
Poll is a media-whore joke.
His views have no importance in the world outside of his own head.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 3, 2014 9:43:51 GMT
Penalties are given every week for arms/hands being in an unatural/high position..this was one. Charlies "stamp" wasnt a stamp..he stood on Girouds leg but after watching it 20 odd times i dont see it as deliberate as his eyes were following the ball going away and never even looked in Girouds direction. However knowing the clamour from the Londoncentric press and the fact its Aresenal the FA will in all probability ban him.
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Post by RAF on Mar 3, 2014 9:49:07 GMT
Let us not forget that this is the same clowns cunt who gave out 3 yellow cards to the same player.
After that his opinion on anything football reffing related is fucking null and void the dickhead.
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Post by bromleystoke on Mar 3, 2014 9:51:00 GMT
Had Koscielny not made contact with the ball, Walters would have been round him and in possession. So a clear advantage was gained by the handball. His arm was high above his head, i.e - not in a natural position. How can this not be a penalty?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 9:51:48 GMT
Regards the penalty not only was it blatant but one only has to look at the culprits reaction to it.
Looked totally embarrassed at what she had just done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 9:59:19 GMT
I hope these "impartial opinions " aren't dragged kicking and screaming into our next game at Norwich as They know how to play act too
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Post by burge2u on Mar 3, 2014 10:26:25 GMT
Very disappointing and somewhat unprofessional to criticise a fellow referee in this way. Had the same comments been made by a manager, then no doubt they would have been fined OK it's an opinion, the referees report hasn't been made public as far as I know, so it is totally unacceptable to air his views immediately Surely the FA DO have to ask the referee / linesman if he saw the incident. To be fair I think the contact did deserve a booking which may indicate that both officials missed it, but intent is very difficult to assess, indeed there were several robust challenges from each team. This seems to be trial by media and the FA should stick to the laws of the game. Well said sir ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 11:12:05 GMT
Probably another big club man, who hates seeing little Stoke beat them. Sour grapes comes to mind!
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 3, 2014 11:30:49 GMT
Cannot believe how many so called experts are saying it wasn't a penalty ,it was a stonewaller. If it was Shawcross or Wilson doing the same nobody would have disagreed with the decision.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 3, 2014 12:22:55 GMT
I thought the ref had a great game, the best at Stoke this season!
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Post by Wonto on Mar 3, 2014 12:23:20 GMT
The only time Arsenal have beaten us in the premier league it was 1-0 to Arsenal & the goal was a penalty given against Danny Pugh for handball after the ball was deliberately flicked up at him.
If you want to see a penalty that never was have a look at that decision.
Arsene Wenger didn't seem to object to getting the benefit on that particular occasion.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 3, 2014 12:40:14 GMT
Very disappointing and somewhat unprofessional to criticise a fellow referee in this way. Had the same comments been made by a manager, then no doubt they would have been fined OK it's an opinion, the referees report hasn't been made public as far as I know, so it is totally unacceptable to air his views immediately Surely the FA DO have to ask the referee / linesman if he saw the incident. To be fair I think the contact did deserve a booking which may indicate that both officials missed it, but intent is very difficult to assess, indeed there were several robust challenges from each team. This seems to be trial by media and the FA should stick to the laws of the game. Well said sir ! Madam! Thanks, we need someone with some power, but not directly involved with our club, to raise the issue of the role that the media play in influencing / showing bias towards any controversial decision. |
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Post by JetBlack on Mar 3, 2014 12:47:06 GMT
This just smacks of scapegoatism to me. They lost and can't deal with it at all. So they dissect the match until they find something that can be held against us, whether Charlie meant to stand on Girouds leg only he will know. For people to call it a 'stamp' is a very over the top reaction, we've all seen 'proper' stamps in the game and Charlie's action was(to me) not typical of a stamping. Arsenal and Wenger in particular cannot deal with the fact that they lost and lose against us so easily. My own opinion is that he has done such a great hatchet job in the media on us that not only has it hypnotised the media into hating us but it's also frightened his own team, what I mean is they come to the Brit EXPECTING to get their legs broken. So they have lost before the game even starts because they won't go into tackles like they should and when they do and lose possession we have the scenario we have currently. Poll is just jumping on the bandwagon to deny Stoke a victory which we fully deserved.
The FA will nail Adam in my opinion, mainly because the media have sided yet again with poor poor Arsenal, it's such a shame when they lose, and it's never their fault.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 3, 2014 12:51:32 GMT
It was a penalty and it was a penalty on two counts. One for handball and even if it wasn't handball, the fact that he then missed the ball with his foot and crashed straight into Walters means that it was a penalty for the foul.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:59:01 GMT
Very disappointing and somewhat unprofessional to criticise a fellow referee in this way. Had the same comments been made by a manager, then no doubt they would have been fined OK it's an opinion, the referees report hasn't been made public as far as I know, so it is totally unacceptable to air his views immediately Surely the FA DO have to ask the referee / linesman if he saw the incident. To be fair I think the contact did deserve a booking which may indicate that both officials missed it, but intent is very difficult to assess, indeed there were several robust challenges from each team. This seems to be trial by media and the FA should stick to the laws of the game. the fact is that he's not a referee anymore, he's a newspaper columnist who also happens to be in a better position than most because of his FORMER job. it was definitely a pen, can't see how anyone can disagree with that but i also think that if Adam gets away with the stamp then he's a very lucky boy! it was needless and a daft thing to do. don't really see anything wrong with Poll giving his opinion though, he hasn't been a Prem ref for 7 years! |
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 3, 2014 13:07:54 GMT
The only time Arsenal have beaten us in the premier league it was 1-0 to Arsenal & the goal was a penalty given against Danny Pugh for handball after the ball was deliberately flicked up at him. If you want to see a penalty that never was have a look at that decision. Arsene Wenger didn't seem to object to getting the benefit on that particular occasion. Dont wish to rewrite your history for you but we lost that game 1-3! It was 1-1 when the 'incident' happened, then they got the dodgy free kick with a few minutes left then scored again in injury time - the despicable Fabregas I think Anyway we digress, if that wasnt a penno then neither was Shawcross against Spurs! Swings and roundabouts, see them given and not given - I thought it was pretty nailed on, hands up, blocked the balls path as Walters attacked and stopped the attack - thats handball all day and night! The London based press are having a field day though, no doubt as half of the prawn sandwich eating, wine connoisseur wank bags are Arsenal supporters too. Patrick Barclay and Collins I am sure had prewritten their articles before the game, then had insult to have to edit to include an epic fail - but lets not talk about how shit Arsenal are, lets pick on plucky Stoke. I came away elated this weekend, fantastic atmosphere, the boys played well and outbattled Arsenal, and deserved the points. Look in the book as they say, 3 points to the Potters, tough fuck Arsene and your fannys. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 3, 2014 13:16:15 GMT
The only time Arsenal have beaten us in the premier league it was 1-0 to Arsenal & the goal was a penalty given against Danny Pugh for handball after the ball was deliberately flicked up at him. If you want to see a penalty that never was have a look at that decision. Arsene Wenger didn't seem to object to getting the benefit on that particular occasion. Wonto, I think you'll want to reassess that comment - it is wrong on more than one count. First, they have beaten us in every game at the Emirates. Second, as said above, your recollection of the one league game where they beat us at the Brit is way off beam. |
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Post by onionman on Mar 3, 2014 13:18:37 GMT
All I can say is thank goodness Graham Poll wasn't the ref on Saturday, because if he was we'd have been justifiably moaning about yet another fawning tosser screwing us over to help out the big boys.
Even Koscielny, in the heat of the moment, accepted it was a penalty.
World Cup and you fucked it up, Mr Poll.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 3, 2014 13:26:50 GMT
It was a foul and a hand ball for the penalty, if it had been a Stoke player he would have got a red
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Post by Wonto on Mar 3, 2014 13:37:43 GMT
errr.........
Could have sworn it was 1-0. Just shows what age can do for your memory !!
Anyway it was never a penalty & it won Arsenal the game.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 3, 2014 13:37:40 GMT
Very disappointing and somewhat unprofessional to criticise a fellow referee in this way. Had the same comments been made by a manager, then no doubt they would have been fined OK it's an opinion, the referees report hasn't been made public as far as I know, so it is totally unacceptable to air his views immediately Surely the FA DO have to ask the referee / linesman if he saw the incident. To be fair I think the contact did deserve a booking which may indicate that both officials missed it, but intent is very difficult to assess, indeed there were several robust challenges from each team. This seems to be trial by media and the FA should stick to the laws of the game. the fact is that he's not a referee anymore, he's a newspaper columnist who also happens to be in a better position than most because of his FORMER job. it was definitely a pen, can't see how anyone can disagree with that but i also think that if Adam gets away with the stamp then he's a very lucky boy! it was needless and a daft thing to do. don't really see anything wrong with Poll giving his opinion though, he hasn't been a Prem ref for 7 years! I accept that he no longer referees and has a better understanding and application of the rules and maybe his comment will be seen as inapplicable in this case. However, I do believe that these comments are very inflammatory and are very biased. The Mail have no problem in airing his opinions even if there is no sense of balance in the article. My concern is that his opinions will filter through to the FA, This comment in particular is a serious concern "Of course it is very difficult to prove intent but I do not think you need to in this case. Nor do you need to ask the referee if he saw the incident clearly as the FA has a panel in place to judge that." |
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Post by skip on Mar 3, 2014 14:01:57 GMT
Bloody hell - the ball was delivered into the box and an opposing defender stopped the trajectory of the ball with his hand that was mid air. How on Earth is that not a penalty? Football hasn't changed that much.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2014 14:06:18 GMT
Bloody hell - the ball was delivered into the box and an opposing defender stopped the trajectory of the ball with his hand that was mid air. How on Earth is that not a penalty? Football hasn't changed that much. Don't forget. It's a penalty if it is Arsenal who benefits. If it's Stoke, then it's no penalty. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 3, 2014 14:13:28 GMT
The reaction to the penalty is a joke. Had this been the other way around, it would be a stonewall penalty no questions asked and the Stoke player should have been red carded for trying to play basketball.
The hypocrisy shown by these idiots has no bounds apparently.
The comments from Arsenal supporters below also beggar belief. We are a 'cancer' on the game apparently, yet diving cheating scumbags who con refs are not?
Wow.....
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 3, 2014 14:27:00 GMT
As I said on another thread, if that's not handball I can only assume a worthy offence would be if he caught the fucker, proceeded to dribble "Harlem Globetrotter" style and then stand on the penalty spot spinning the ball on his finger while Wenger whistled the theme tune.
Not handball?
Jesus fucking wept!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 14:47:40 GMT
Let us not forget that this is the same clowns cunt who gave out 3 yellow cards to the same player. After that his opinion on anything football reffing related is fucking null and void the dickhead. H Exactly what I was going to say. He was guilty of "the" biggest,most high profile refereeing fuck ups of all time,so his opinion does indeed mean absolutely nothing. |
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