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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 1, 2014 0:52:10 GMT
This sort of crap is all over the board at the moment, and it's absolute shit-for-brains bollocks, being both served up and swallowed by retards.
We were going to sign Lee Cattermole today for £5 million until Sunderland pulled the plug on it.
We tried to sign Tom Ince for a fee of (approx) £4 million but the player didn't want to come.
The money WAS THERE you daft bastards. The reason we've not signed anybody is because we have incompetent people in charge of completing transfers and identifying targets. Throwing all our eggs into the Cattermole basket was absolute suicide. Sunderland are a relegation rival- and one that's been bitching at us in the press for the last few days. What could possibly go wrong with trying to deal with them at the 11th hour eh? They'd done their business with Bridcutt and were in no rush to sell players to us. Why did we not have a plan B ready to go? How is that the fault of the Coates family?
Tom Ince had already told us that he didn't want to come. Posters on this board (Werrington was one) spelled out exactly what would transpire as soon as we put the bid in- it was obvious how things would play out, because the player was forcing the issue for a loan and Blackpool realised it was better to get some money in than nothing at all. Yet we wasted time in chasing him, which left us panicking with hours to go, and unable to force a last-minute deal through with the winger from Rennes.
We've already seen countless other deals go pear shaped, and just because we've spent nothing doesn't mean the money wasn't there to spend.
Heads should roll for the fuck up that's happened this window, but turning on the man who has invested so much of his own wealth to get us here is absolutely fucking disgraceful. We've spent an unsustainable amount of money in previous windows, which we were always warned could not continue forever. There are few clubs who throw £20-25m around every season, yet we were doing that every year for about 4 or 5 campaigns on the bounce. Sadly, so much of it was wasted, yet people just seemed to think that it would go on forever, and it didn't matter if Tone chucked away millions because the Golden Goose would just keep shitting out those golden eggs.
Now we've sensibly reined the spending in a bit, we have people screaming like spoilt toddlers. It's disgraceful.
I am fucking fuming about what's gone on this window, because it was so obvious to all concerned what was needed. However, the club has to conform to FFP rules and could not go on spending beyond its means. Hughes needed backing-perhaps a little more so than he has been considering the mess he inherited- but he's not been asked to do this job on peanuts and fresh air. We spent over £5m in the summer and would have thrown another £10m or so at it this month had we not had the pissing Muppet show in charge of player recruitment.
The once-in-a-lifetime investment has gone, I'm afraid. It should have been used to provide the foundations on which we could build another golden era, but it was squandered. We have to just get on with it now and somehow try to survive the rest of the season by staying as unified as possible. The whole thing's a bloody mess though, and the entire structure needs reassembling in the Summer.
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Post by maxdecarlo on Feb 1, 2014 1:04:24 GMT
If you believe Coates had intention of spending that money or signing those players you are deluded.ince was never going to come he made it clear he wanted a loan so it was easy to !make an offer pretending we were interested.no way it would happen and Coates knew it.cattermole who knows the truth but a north east lad about to go top Wembley I would be amazed if this was ever going to happen.don't believe the propaganda from scfc!!!
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 1, 2014 1:07:36 GMT
If you believe Coates had intention of spending that money or signing those players you are deluded.ince was never going to come he made it clear he wanted a loan so it was easy to !make an offer pretending we were interested.no way it would happen and Coates knew it.cattermole who knows the truth but a north east lad about to go top Wembley I would be amazed if this was ever going to happen.don't believe the propaganda from scfc!!! Oh so it was all a big pretend game was it, just so big bad Peter could keep his money under the mattress? Fuck me sideways   Some of you lot deserve to be back in League One. |
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 1, 2014 1:13:48 GMT
If you believe Coates had intention of spending that money or signing those players you are deluded.ince was never going to come he made it clear he wanted a loan so it was easy to !make an offer pretending we were interested.no way it would happen and Coates knew it.cattermole who knows the truth but a north east lad about to go top Wembley I would be amazed if this was ever going to happen.don't believe the propaganda from scfc!!! If you believe that Coates would put fake/insincere bids in for players...its you who is deluded |
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Post by maxdecarlo on Feb 1, 2014 1:16:05 GMT
Facts speak for themselves
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Post by maxdecarlo on Feb 1, 2014 1:19:03 GMT
Coates has had his use out of scfc bet 365 had profits of 5 million in 2006 following association with scfc and prem league was 180 million last year they have moved on got other agendas not interested in scfc
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 1, 2014 1:19:17 GMT
Facts speak for themselves None of what you say is fact, apart from they haven't signed, your reasoning (if we can call it that) is bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 1:21:06 GMT
It would look as though the "sell before we buy" has hurt us tonight.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 1, 2014 1:22:05 GMT
Facts speak for themselves How in the name of Giant Haystacks' sweaty arsehole could the pile of magic mushroom-fueled bollocks that you've written be classed, in any way whatsoever, as a FACT. Unless you've got a fucking signed confession from Peter Coates that says "It were all a big scam this, I never intended to spend none of that dosh, tee-hee!" then what you've posted is as far removed from a fact as it's possible to get. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 1, 2014 1:22:11 GMT
Facts speak for themselves I can't believe that Coates is expecting his new man to completely alter the way we play without making funds available to him. What I can believe ... is that Peter Coates, this evening, is absolutely fuckin livid because ONCE AGAIN his transfer team have let down the chairman, the manager and the fans. In a few months time, we could very well be looking back on this day and thinking, it was that night that sealed our fate. |
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Post by gothicstokelover on Feb 1, 2014 1:28:15 GMT
I think Coates should be accountable for all the reasons I stated.....We didnt sign the 19 year old because we didnt give him the contract he wanted....meaning money most likely....Anyway reason I decided to write this post, alot of fans are disapointed for good reason.....but we are ALL Stoke supporters and even if we dont agree with each others views lets not personally attack each other...We need to be united now for the players to try help get the best results that we can, while outside of matches do whatever we can to get honest answers...Alot of my issues in insecurties would be made much better if Coates/Hughes another staff member told us whats going on....Two years they have had to get this right, and failed and failed badly.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 1, 2014 1:38:25 GMT
I think Coates should be accountable for all the reasons I stated.....We didnt sign the 19 year old because we didnt give him the contract he wanted....meaning money most likely....Anyway reason I decided to write this post, alot of fans are disapointed for good reason.....but we are ALL Stoke supporters and even if we dont agree with each others views lets not personally attack each other...We need to be united now for the players to try help get the best results that we can, while outside of matches do whatever we can to get honest answers...Alot of my issues in insecurties would be made much better if Coates/Hughes another staff member told us whats going on....Two years they have had to get this right, and failed and failed badly. I've seen you posting a lot of critical messages about Coates on here. Without being condescending, I'm just wondering how old you are, and how long you've been watching Stoke? The reason I ask is because I am questioning whether you've experienced what it's actually like to support a club that is poorly backed. Maybe you've been going for 40 years and just have a short memory, I don't know, but I fail to see how anyone who was around towards the end of the first Coates & Humpo era would have the gall to start pissing their knickers over what we've seen spent this season. |
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Post by gothicstokelover on Feb 1, 2014 1:51:37 GMT
I think Coates should be accountable for all the reasons I stated.....We didnt sign the 19 year old because we didnt give him the contract he wanted....meaning money most likely....Anyway reason I decided to write this post, alot of fans are disapointed for good reason.....but we are ALL Stoke supporters and even if we dont agree with each others views lets not personally attack each other...We need to be united now for the players to try help get the best results that we can, while outside of matches do whatever we can to get honest answers...Alot of my issues in insecurties would be made much better if Coates/Hughes another staff member told us whats going on....Two years they have had to get this right, and failed and failed badly. I've seen you posting a lot of critical messages about Coates on here. Without being condescending, I'm just wondering how old you are, and how long you've been watching Stoke? The reason I ask is because I am questioning whether you've experienced what it's actually like to support a club that is poorly backed. Maybe you've been going for 40 years and just have a short memory, I don't know, but I fail to see how anyone who was around towards the end of the first Coates & Humpo era would have the gall to start pissing their knickers over what we've seen spent this season. Sure you can ask....I'm 32, and supported stoke as long as I can remember....When we were in the lower league Stoke was always my team, but me and our friends picked a club from the in the top league back in the early 90's and I picked Newcastle, cause newcastle under lyme is my hometown...So I remember the good the bad and the ugly, and I wont be condersending to the Guy, although his first time in the club he bled us dry... I dont think its unfair to ask questions when things are going wrong, badly wrong.....Will never doubt he is a Stoke fan, and has done an amazing job up untill a few years ago and ever sense stopped...And starting to think that after two years of not investing in the squad, in the top league is reasonable grounds to ask what is going on and why are failing...And dont think its acceptable hiding behind wage excuse...This season it doesnt cut it especially considering in 5-6 months most of the dead wood contracts would of been gone.. Personally I dont think he is in charge anymore, I think the kids have taken over and dont have the same passion or drive for the club as Peter does, and if that is the case its the boards responsibility to say that there journey with Stoke has ended and find a new owner to take over who wants to have a proper go at it....Yes I know not an easy thing to do, but I would much rather that than experiance this slow death because they are doing everything on the cheap... P.S I dont consider myself a retard or shit-for-brains either. |
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Post by imho on Feb 1, 2014 1:51:47 GMT
Coates has had his use out of scfc bet 365 had profits of 5 million in 2006 following association with scfc and prem league was 180 million last year they have moved on got other agendas not interested in scfc i dont wish to be rude but you talk bollocks. bet 365 is successful without the links to stoke. additionally you couldnt find a bigger stoke fan than PC |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 1, 2014 1:54:27 GMT
We have contracts crippling us and nobody would want our high wage has-beens tbh and even if they did our back room staff would probably fuck it up at the last minute or hope the other team did their bit of business in time. I doubt it's because PC won't spend. Don't believe that shit for one minute. It's in Bet365's interest we stay promoted as is ours. But one things for certain Bet365 will always earn money.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Feb 1, 2014 1:56:33 GMT
And no I dont expect them spend 40 mill every season, however I do expect us be competive and evolve, we havent for two years we have been stagnant and if he wanted Hughes change the way we play and the ehtos of the team, I dont think its unfair that Hughes has a decent budget for this year but with a view to keep wages to a realistic but decent target, so in future seasons Hughes would be in a place to spend 15-20 mill a season to make the squad better after having stabalised the wages.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2014 1:56:58 GMT
This sort of crap is all over the board at the moment, and it's absolute shit-for-brains bollocks, being both served up and swallowed by retards. We were going to sign Lee Cattermole today for £5 million until Sunderland pulled the plug on it.
We tried to sign Tom Ince for a fee of (approx) £4 million but the player didn't want to come.
The money WAS THERE you daft bastards. The reason we've not signed anybody is because we have incompetent people in charge of completing transfers and identifying targets. Throwing all our eggs into the Cattermole basket was absolute suicide. Sunderland are a relegation rival- and one that's been bitching at us in the press for the last few days. What could possibly go wrong with trying to deal with them at the 11th hour eh? They'd done their business with Bridcutt and were in no rush to sell players to us. Why did we not have a plan B ready to go? How is that the fault of the Coates family? Tom Ince had already told us that he didn't want to come. Posters on this board (Werrington was one) spelled out exactly what would transpire as soon as we put the bid in- it was obvious how things would play out, because the player was forcing the issue for a loan and Blackpool realised it was better to get some money in than nothing at all. Yet we wasted time in chasing him, which left us panicking with hours to go, and unable to force a last-minute deal through with the winger from Rennes. We've already seen countless other deals go pear shaped, and just because we've spent nothing doesn't mean the money wasn't there to spend. Heads should roll for the fuck up that's happened this window, but turning on the man who has invested so much of his own wealth to get us here is absolutely fucking disgraceful. We've spent an unsustainable amount of money in previous windows, which we were always warned could not continue forever. There are few clubs who throw £20-25m around every season, yet we were doing that every year for about 4 or 5 campaigns on the bounce. Sadly, so much of it was wasted, yet people just seemed to think that it would go on forever, and it didn't matter if Tone chucked away millions because the Golden Goose would just keep shitting out those golden eggs. Now we've sensibly reined the spending in a bit, we have people screaming like spoilt toddlers. It's disgraceful. I am fucking fuming about what's gone on this window, because it was so obvious to all concerned what was needed. However, the club has to conform to FFP rules and could not go on spending beyond its means. Hughes needed backing-perhaps a little more so than he has been considering the mess he inherited- but he's not been asked to do this job on peanuts and fresh air. We spent over £5m in the summer and would have thrown another £10m or so at it this month had we not had the pissing Muppet show in charge of player recruitment. The once-in-a-lifetime investment has gone, I'm afraid. It should have been used to provide the foundations on which we could build another golden era, but it was squandered. We have to just get on with it now and somehow try to survive the rest of the season by staying as unified as possible. The whole thing's a bloody mess though, and the entire structure needs reassembling in the Summer. Alls I'm reading from this is; AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 1, 2014 2:01:46 GMT
This sort of crap is all over the board at the moment, and it's absolute shit-for-brains bollocks, being both served up and swallowed by retards. We were going to sign Lee Cattermole today for £5 million until Sunderland pulled the plug on it.
We tried to sign Tom Ince for a fee of (approx) £4 million but the player didn't want to come.
The money WAS THERE you daft bastards. The reason we've not signed anybody is because we have incompetent people in charge of completing transfers and identifying targets. Throwing all our eggs into the Cattermole basket was absolute suicide. Sunderland are a relegation rival- and one that's been bitching at us in the press for the last few days. What could possibly go wrong with trying to deal with them at the 11th hour eh? They'd done their business with Bridcutt and were in no rush to sell players to us. Why did we not have a plan B ready to go? How is that the fault of the Coates family? Tom Ince had already told us that he didn't want to come. Posters on this board (Werrington was one) spelled out exactly what would transpire as soon as we put the bid in- it was obvious how things would play out, because the player was forcing the issue for a loan and Blackpool realised it was better to get some money in than nothing at all. Yet we wasted time in chasing him, which left us panicking with hours to go, and unable to force a last-minute deal through with the winger from Rennes. We've already seen countless other deals go pear shaped, and just because we've spent nothing doesn't mean the money wasn't there to spend. Heads should roll for the fuck up that's happened this window, but turning on the man who has invested so much of his own wealth to get us here is absolutely fucking disgraceful. We've spent an unsustainable amount of money in previous windows, which we were always warned could not continue forever. There are few clubs who throw £20-25m around every season, yet we were doing that every year for about 4 or 5 campaigns on the bounce. Sadly, so much of it was wasted, yet people just seemed to think that it would go on forever, and it didn't matter if Tone chucked away millions because the Golden Goose would just keep shitting out those golden eggs. Now we've sensibly reined the spending in a bit, we have people screaming like spoilt toddlers. It's disgraceful. I am fucking fuming about what's gone on this window, because it was so obvious to all concerned what was needed. However, the club has to conform to FFP rules and could not go on spending beyond its means. Hughes needed backing-perhaps a little more so than he has been considering the mess he inherited- but he's not been asked to do this job on peanuts and fresh air. We spent over £5m in the summer and would have thrown another £10m or so at it this month had we not had the pissing Muppet show in charge of player recruitment. The once-in-a-lifetime investment has gone, I'm afraid. It should have been used to provide the foundations on which we could build another golden era, but it was squandered. We have to just get on with it now and somehow try to survive the rest of the season by staying as unified as possible. The whole thing's a bloody mess though, and the entire structure needs reassembling in the Summer. Alls I'm reading from this is; AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it doesn't affect the pitch players as we go into a possible relegation battle... He does have a point, those two cunts should be made example of as they did our club on SSN a global outlet. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2014 2:04:42 GMT
Alls I'm reading from this is; AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! AXE! I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it doesn't affect the pitch players as we go into a possible relegation battle... He does have a point, those two cunts should be made example of as they did our club on SSN a global outlet. I know they should hence AXE! AXE! TD will know what I mean!  |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 1, 2014 2:07:09 GMT
I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it doesn't affect the pitch players as we go into a possible relegation battle... He does have a point, those two cunts should be made example of as they did our club on SSN a global outlet. I know they should hence AXE! AXE! TD will know what I mean! Ohh was it him who had the axe avatar? lol  Irony... Although It's like a scandal.. the tit's really at fault for our fuck ups keep getting off scot free... but now they've been caught! Red handed with Pizza sauce! |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2014 2:11:26 GMT
Completely agree with OP
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2014 2:14:00 GMT
I know they should hence AXE! AXE! TD will know what I mean! Ohh was it him who had the axe avatar? lol Irony... Although It's like a scandal.. the tit's really at fault for our fuck ups keep getting off scot free... but now they've been caught! Red handed with Pizza sauce! It was! Someone called them Mario and Luigi on the new signings thread, which made me giggle! |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 1, 2014 2:15:50 GMT
Ohh was it him who had the axe avatar? lol Irony... Although It's like a scandal.. the tit's really at fault for our fuck ups keep getting off scot free... but now they've been caught! Red handed with Pizza sauce! It was! Someone called them Mario and Luigi on the new signings thread, which made me giggle! Yea that was great. They are now my most wanted outs! AXE! lol  |
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Post by tijuanabrass on Feb 1, 2014 4:03:51 GMT
I saw Coatsey at the ATM on London Road at about 11pm. Unfortunately someone had spat Tennants super over the screen and jammed half a kebab in the slot so he couldn't get it to work.
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Post by richhaynes on Feb 1, 2014 4:22:36 GMT
Coates has had his use out of scfc bet 365 had profits of 5 million in 2006 following association with scfc and prem league was 180 million last year they have moved on got other agendas not interested in scfc I'm at a loss to what your point is in this statement? Last year Bet365 lost £31million due to Stoke City. Thats over 15% of their profits essentially down the drain. If you think that's a good deal then feel free to donate 15% of your wages to a good cause  And since Peter Coates doesn't having a controlling interest then he can only ASK for some more money. Bet365 are well within their rights to say fuck off. They are building a new HQ and making 600 new jobs in Stoke in the next few years which wont come cheap. Would you like them to compromise that investment just so we can buy a few more players for huge prices on huge wages? Wake up and read the shit your writing before you comment. Thank you |
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Feb 1, 2014 4:31:44 GMT
I was worried for a moment, I thought that Scholes and his skilled transfer team were going to spend millions and sign at least two players to strengthen the squad. Luckily the players in the team who suspected they weren't good enough will now be mightily relieved and no one connected with the club: fans, players, coaching squad will feel deflated, which for a side that has lost five of its last six games wont pose any significant problem.
MH has stated that his sides get better in the second half of the season, I am wondering if that's because he's left the clubs after being sacked?
Today's result wont confirm we are heading down, but the lack of discipline, inability to defend, or convert what few chances we actually make, will ensure it's squeaky bum time for Stoke to the last day.
Teams that play badly and lose and play well and lose generally end up going down as the common denominator is that they lose. MH will have to show how good a manager he actually is now.
It would be nice if Stoke actually turned up against the team that I hate more than anyone in the whole world for a change!
Worried!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 1, 2014 8:02:45 GMT
This sort of crap is all over the board at the moment, and it's absolute shit-for-brains bollocks, being both served up and swallowed by retards. We were going to sign Lee Cattermole today for £5 million until Sunderland pulled the plug on it.
We tried to sign Tom Ince for a fee of (approx) £4 million but the player didn't want to come.
The money WAS THERE you daft bastards. The reason we've not signed anybody is because we have incompetent people in charge of completing transfers and identifying targets. Throwing all our eggs into the Cattermole basket was absolute suicide. Sunderland are a relegation rival- and one that's been bitching at us in the press for the last few days. What could possibly go wrong with trying to deal with them at the 11th hour eh? They'd done their business with Bridcutt and were in no rush to sell players to us. Why did we not have a plan B ready to go? How is that the fault of the Coates family? Tom Ince had already told us that he didn't want to come. Posters on this board (Werrington was one) spelled out exactly what would transpire as soon as we put the bid in- it was obvious how things would play out, because the player was forcing the issue for a loan and Blackpool realised it was better to get some money in than nothing at all. Yet we wasted time in chasing him, which left us panicking with hours to go, and unable to force a last-minute deal through with the winger from Rennes. We've already seen countless other deals go pear shaped, and just because we've spent nothing doesn't mean the money wasn't there to spend. Heads should roll for the fuck up that's happened this window, but turning on the man who has invested so much of his own wealth to get us here is absolutely fucking disgraceful. We've spent an unsustainable amount of money in previous windows, which we were always warned could not continue forever. There are few clubs who throw £20-25m around every season, yet we were doing that every year for about 4 or 5 campaigns on the bounce. Sadly, so much of it was wasted, yet people just seemed to think that it would go on forever, and it didn't matter if Tone chucked away millions because the Golden Goose would just keep shitting out those golden eggs. Now we've sensibly reined the spending in a bit, we have people screaming like spoilt toddlers. It's disgraceful. I am fucking fuming about what's gone on this window, because it was so obvious to all concerned what was needed. However, the club has to conform to FFP rules and could not go on spending beyond its means. Hughes needed backing-perhaps a little more so than he has been considering the mess he inherited- but he's not been asked to do this job on peanuts and fresh air. We spent over £5m in the summer and would have thrown another £10m or so at it this month had we not had the pissing Muppet show in charge of player recruitment. The once-in-a-lifetime investment has gone, I'm afraid. It should have been used to provide the foundations on which we could build another golden era, but it was squandered. We have to just get on with it now and somehow try to survive the rest of the season by staying as unified as possible. The whole thing's a bloody mess though, and the entire structure needs reassembling in the Summer. The Chairman needs to come out and communicate with the supporters. He's overseeing a cluster fuck of gargantuan proportions and cannot be excused because he's spent a few quid. We had a direct relegation rival play us over one of their players - they made him look a fool and his teams' ineptitude embarrasses him. Nevermind, the Stoke faithful will take it because we're in the PL and nothing could be better than a wet Tuesday night at home to Fulham, Hull or Cardiff. I await the annual begging letter for season ticket renewals - you can bet your arse they won't cock that up. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 8:06:07 GMT
Some transparency over just precisely what the fuck we've been playing at would be nice.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Feb 1, 2014 8:09:05 GMT
As stated we put bids in for players at the start of the window - even MH stated that they tried to bring in the targets early but it didn't work out.
Catermole was a late panic buy attempt and we had £5m+ to spend on him.
For me it's players didn't want to come or the two tits who tie up the deals couldn't tie their fucking shoe laces!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2014 8:15:53 GMT
Apparently we had 7 players on 50k+ per week. We now have 6 of them.
I think everyone can agree that this probably far too much for a club like Stoke City who recently posted a 30m loss for the last trading year.
We had the chance to spend big money and we blew it.
Take Southampton as an example. They paid 15m for Osvaldo, realised he was crap and promptly sold him for almost what they paid for him.
We, on the other hand, signed a host of players on big money and even though it was clear that they were crap, we persisted with them, didn't cash in on them when we had the chance and now we are stuck with them. Step forward the likes of Palacios, Jerome, Crouch and Adam.
It is fairly clear that we've had a "one in one out" policy since the Summer but sadly no-one seems to want some of the crap that we have got in our ranks. Who can blame them?
Criticism of Coates support of the club, on this occasion, is way wide of the mark. This isn't 1997 now. Coates has invested a small fortune. It isn't just transfer fees. That is the easy bit. Sustaining the wages that this players come in on is the big drain.
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Irony... Although It's like a scandal.. the tit's really at fault for our fuck ups keep getting off scot free... but now they've been caught! Red handed with Pizza sauce! 
