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Post by werrington on Jan 19, 2014 11:13:41 GMT
Nzonzi was an absolute disgrace yesterday
It happens too often for me and I'd honestly be looking to rid him of our club
I just don't know why he continues to get defended on here
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Post by dan55 on Jan 19, 2014 11:47:19 GMT
So we have two now? cause nzonzi was doing just that today... Yes. This is how we loosely set up: .....................GK.................... Cameron......Shawcross.......Wilson.......Pieters .............Whelan............N'Zonzi..................... <----- holding CMs Walters................Adam....................Assaidi ........................Crouch........................ I think this formation we're playing is a problem. We need someone upfront playing off Crouch. 4-4-2 GK Cameron Shawcross. Wilson. Pieters Arnautovic. Adam. N'Zonzi. Assaidi Walters or Guidetti /Crouch
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 19, 2014 12:21:01 GMT
If you continue to play Walters whelan crouch Wilson etc they will cost you your job, we are spineless, gutless, talentless and are going in only one direction, you need to get this type of player out, and bring some pace and the ability to pass forward, the problem however is that no other club wants them! Walters, Whelan, Wilson and Crouch are certainly not gutless. The first three are part of why we are still in Pemiership or do you suffer from "convenient" memory loss? Ability etc, is open to debate but not their commitment to SCFC I agree with this , I don't think these players are the problem Walters is certainly in a poor run of form at the moment and maybe could be left out but for who ? Whelan has been playing pretty well for me and is our only midfield worker Crouch is Crouch good at what he does but totally useless alone up front if you don't get players around him ,which we often fail to do and leaving him isolated is not his fault Wilson has been ok since coming in for Huth in some games but clearly not as good and had a couple of awful games but still a useful squad player who can cover four positions I would be more critical of some of our more talented players who are not doing enough Ireland Arnie and Nzonzi are all capable of a lot more than they often give to the team Also the chronic lack of pace is a huge issue as limited as he is letting Jerome go with no replacement was stupid
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 12:21:32 GMT
You want him to drop one of our best player this season (Whelan)? I just spat out my tea over my computer laughing, I do hope you're taking the piss. Gouranga.
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 19, 2014 13:23:51 GMT
Keep taking the tablets youth, you and the 6 other whelan lovers will realise he is dog shit one day
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2014 14:04:36 GMT
You want him to drop one of our best player this season (Whelan)? I just spat out my tea over my computer laughing, I do hope you're taking the piss. Gouranga. Nope, I understand what job he's being asked to do and hes been doing it well.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2014 14:06:12 GMT
Keep taking the tablets youth, you and the 6 other whelan lovers will realise he is dog shit one day And yet he still gets picked every week even though there's other options hmmmmmmm strange that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 14:09:33 GMT
As I've said in a previous post some seem to want an attacking holding midfielder , I'm not sure some know what a holding midfielder is meant to do. So we have two now? cause nzonzi was doing just that today... Whelan and Nzonzi have different jobs. Whelan's is to screen the back four. Nzonzi's is to carry it forward. One of these players isn't doing his job properly. It isn't Whelan.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 19, 2014 14:13:12 GMT
So we have two now? cause nzonzi was doing just that today... Whelan and Nzonzi have different jobs. Whelan's is to screen the back four. Nzonzi's is to carry it forward. One of these players isn't doing his job properly. It isn't Whelan. I hope that's not Nzonzi's job, because if it is he is doing it terribly.
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Post by smudger46 on Jan 19, 2014 14:13:59 GMT
time nzonzi was dropped he is a luxury stoke cannot afford, little effort and certainly no end result, man up mh and try something different in your selections cannot be worse than we are watching at the minute
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 19, 2014 14:15:11 GMT
If playing mostly poorly for 2 seasons or more" Walters",is just a player out of form,then God help us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 14:15:51 GMT
Whelan and Nzonzi have different jobs. Whelan's is to screen the back four. Nzonzi's is to carry it forward. One of these players isn't doing his job properly. It isn't Whelan. I hope that's not Nzonzi's job, because if it is he is doing it terribly. He's not playing as a holding midfielder anyway. His defensive work is non-existent.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 19, 2014 14:17:52 GMT
I hope that's not Nzonzi's job, because if it is he is doing it terribly. He's not playing as a holding midfielder anyway. His defensive work is non-existent. I think what we can conclude is that nzonzi is doing naff all and he should be dropped. Who should replace him is another matter.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 14:18:51 GMT
I just spat out my tea over my computer laughing, I do hope you're taking the piss. Gouranga. Nope, I understand what job he's being asked to do and hes been doing it well. Go on enlighten us all. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 14:19:41 GMT
He's not playing as a holding midfielder anyway. His defensive work is non-existent. I think what we can conclude is that nzonzi is doing naff all and he should be dropped. Who should replace him is another matter. I like Nzonzi but he was appalling yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 14:20:15 GMT
Nope, I understand what job he's being asked to do and hes been doing it well. Go on enlighten us all. Gouranga. It's been explained clearly on this very thread Albert. Read Hancock's post.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2014 14:21:12 GMT
Nope, I understand what job he's being asked to do and hes been doing it well. Go on enlighten us all. Gouranga. No need, most know what he has been doing for the team, plus I've already discussed it, its only a few that are letting their opinions of him from other seasons affect their judgment of him now, either that or are to stubborn to admit they're wrong.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 14:26:30 GMT
Go on enlighten us all. Gouranga. It's been explained clearly on this very thread Albert. Read Hancock's post. Just wasted a minute of my life reading it, he forgot to mention, can't pass piss, piss poor decision making, wank tackling gives free kicks away in dangerous positions, couldn't shoot his load, can't head the ball, slower and a bigger turning circle than a Sherman tank. Just what we fucking need heh? Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 14:28:42 GMT
It's been explained clearly on this very thread Albert. Read Hancock's post. Just wasted a minute of my life reading it, he forgot to mention, can't pass piss, piss poor decision making, wank tackling, couldn't shoot his load, can't head the ball, slower and a bigger turning circle than a Sherman tank. Just what we fucking need heh? Gouranga. I disagree with most of that. I'll give you slow and crap at shooting.
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Post by cymap on Jan 19, 2014 14:29:14 GMT
Am I the only one who saw Assaidi completely bottle a challenge yesterday and let their player waltz past him. That's what you get with loanees...no commitment
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 19, 2014 14:37:01 GMT
Am I the only one who saw Assaidi completely bottle a challenge yesterday and let their player waltz past him. That's what you get with loanees...no commitment He has done it in several games. Nothing to do with being a loanee, it is a charge that has been set against him when he was at Liverpool as well. he is pretty easy to play against, just lean on him a few times and he stops - again same charge when he was a Liverpool Nzonzi also pulled out of his fair share of 50/50's
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2014 14:41:22 GMT
Am I the only one who saw Assaidi completely bottle a challenge yesterday and let their player waltz past him. That's what you get with loanees...no commitment He always shits it, offer nothing unless he scores, which is going to get more difficult for him now managers know how to deal with him.
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Post by cymap on Jan 19, 2014 14:44:52 GMT
Am I the only one who saw Assaidi completely bottle a challenge yesterday and let their player waltz past him. That's what you get with loanees...no commitment He has done it in several games. Nothing to do with being a loanee, it is a charge that has been set against him when he was at Liverpool as well. he is pretty easy to play against, just lean on him a few times and he stops - again same charge when he was a Liverpool Nzonzi also pulled out of his fair share of 50/50's Ahhh right , didn't know he'd been accused of it before. Don't need players like that at the club. Altho I can forgive a winger whos a scorer sometimes, tbh tho Hes couldn't get past my missus. No wonder he favours coming inside....he has to. Nzonzi can just be sold tbh...waste of the Z,s in the club shop.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 19, 2014 14:45:30 GMT
Am I the only one who saw Assaidi completely bottle a challenge yesterday and let their player waltz past him. That's what you get with loanees...no commitment Assaidi is lightweight and started the game timidly, he was scared the Eagle would swoop and carry him off. He was a bit tentative for their goal, but I thought he started to get into the game as the game switched to the left a bit {away from the over reliance on Cameron/Walters}. Assaidi put a few decent whipped crosses in and looked to be causing a bit of chaos, and then got subbed... when it was patently obvious that Walters' touch had completely abandoned him. Arnie looked completely lost but for one back heel.
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