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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 18:29:34 GMT
I agree but likewise you take Walters out of the team and replace him with Arnautovic who equally goes missing in games as does Assiaidi who did again the same today. Disagree. Yes they can go missing, but when either of them get the ball on the wing there is at least hope that they can do something. Look at Arnie's two assists and threat last weekend along with his early games for us, look at Assaidi's ability to beat a man and score with his right foot. Arnie especially is a good defender as well. Give me inconsistency with some form of threat any day over consistent uselessness from Walters. What is there to lose by dropping him? Even if all three do tend to go missing, I'd rather have someone in there that can actually make things happen when we do have the ball. Whatever redeeming qualities Walters did have have long since disappeared. He's fucking crap in almost every conceivable way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 18:31:19 GMT
Modern day managers need their laptops ramming up their backsides.
Its through ProZone and all that guff that players like Walters get the time of day.
"His stats are great".
Cloughy will be turning in his grave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 18:41:44 GMT
He has been conning a living at this level for far too long
I can imangine Tony Pulis was thinking prior to today
I need that effort and application in my team
after today, he'll be thinking
what was I thinking ? - he's gone now - totally gone
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 18:43:07 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 18:44:30 GMT
Worst playerWinger in prem NoYes.EDITED
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Post by boweryboy on Jan 18, 2014 18:44:52 GMT
CRAP would be a step up to how he is playing at the moment,and he's not alone...time and again we here Walters should have done better there,Walters should really have scored there...when will it end...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 18:45:02 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 18:49:00 GMT
He's slow and cannot beat his man that's why hughes pushes cameron up. It's the most important attributes as a winger... you also need to be able to dart inside and score when was the last time SJW did any of that>? Did he cross at all today? I saw Cameron crossing but he's just as bad at that as jon is at scoring or performing as a winger. Take your blinders off mate he's shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 18:54:55 GMT
He's slow and cannot beat his man that's why hughes pushes cameron up. It's the most important attributes as a winger... you also need to be able to dart inside and score when was the last time SJW did any of that>? Did he cross at all today? I saw Cameron crossing but he's just as bad at that as jon is at scoring or performing as a winger. Take your blinders off mate he's shit. No blinders mate, I know what he is, he could be better if he didn't have to cover the not existent Cameron all the fing time. Ethers unfortunately is worse.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 18, 2014 19:03:55 GMT
Could quite happily never see him play on that right side again, anyone who thinks he deserves too needs waking up quickly
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 19:06:12 GMT
He's slow and cannot beat his man that's why hughes pushes cameron up. It's the most important attributes as a winger... you also need to be able to dart inside and score when was the last time SJW did any of that>? Did he cross at all today? I saw Cameron crossing but he's just as bad at that as jon is at scoring or performing as a winger. Take your blinders off mate he's shit. No blinders mate, I know what he is, he could be better if he didn't have to cover the not existent Cameron all the fing time. Ethers unfortunately is worse. You've got it all wrong mate' the only non existent is SJW goals mate and his ability as a winger... Cameron non existent? Fuck me but his crosses where the only thing coming down the right today... Where was walters??? Hence hughes telling Geoff "get down the line," because fact is he's been our only option on the wing to get crosses in. How many crosses does our RB have to get in because our winger has no skill to beat his man and no pace? Why is Geoff our attacking option? Pretty sad eh? Walters is lucky he hasn't been pooled into the has-been lot with Ether's both their legs are gone like old war horses... Your delusional.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 19:12:26 GMT
No blinders mate, I know what he is, he could be better if he didn't have to cover the not existent Cameron all the fing time. Ethers unfortunately is worse. You've got it all wrong mate' the only non existent is SJW goals mate and his ability as a winger... Cameron non existent? Fuck me but his crosses where the only thing coming down the right today... Where was walters??? Hence hughes telling Geoff "get down the line," because fact is he's been our only option on the wing to get crosses in. How many crosses does our RB have to get in because our winger has no skill to beat his man and no pace? Why is Geoff our attacking option? Pretty sad eh? Walters is lucky he hasn't been pooled into the has-been lot with Ether's both their legs are gone like old war horses... Your delusional. Where have I said Walters is good??????????????
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 19:17:40 GMT
You've got it all wrong mate' the only non existent is SJW goals mate and his ability as a winger... Cameron non existent? Fuck me but his crosses where the only thing coming down the right today... Where was walters??? Hence hughes telling Geoff "get down the line," because fact is he's been our only option on the wing to get crosses in. How many crosses does our RB have to get in because our winger has no skill to beat his man and no pace? Why is Geoff our attacking option? Pretty sad eh? Walters is lucky he hasn't been pooled into the has-been lot with Ether's both their legs are gone like old war horses... Your delusional. Where have I said Walters is good?????????????? You said "better" as if he's ok or good implying that' its Geoffs fault that Walter's is covering cameron that's laughable... We all know who has to go forward for someone else's faults... I mean if Walters had pace this wouldn't be an issue. Pretty sad a RB has to be our attacking option week in week out because our midfield and RW is utter shit and looking at nzonzi's mile high effort today coupled with glenn's no show... Luckily we Had Adam to be a threat because it's gonna be a long season if we keep asking a RB to be a playmaker from the back...
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Post by SegaMegaDave on Jan 18, 2014 19:33:24 GMT
He's a shit guy.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 19:34:33 GMT
Where have I said Walters is good?????????????? You said "better" as if he's ok or good implying that' its Geoffs fault that Walter's is covering cameron that's laughable... We all know who has to go forward for someone else's faults... I mean if Walters had pace this wouldn't be an issue. Pretty sad a RB has to be our attacking option week in week out because our midfield and RW is utter shit and looking at nzonzi's mile high effort today coupled with glenn's no show... Luckily we Had Adam to be a threat because it's gonna be a long season if we keep asking a RB to be a playmaker from the back... I said better as in better than he is atm.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 19:44:13 GMT
You said "better" as if he's ok or good implying that' its Geoffs fault that Walter's is covering cameron that's laughable... We all know who has to go forward for someone else's faults... I mean if Walters had pace this wouldn't be an issue. Pretty sad a RB has to be our attacking option week in week out because our midfield and RW is utter shit and looking at nzonzi's mile high effort today coupled with glenn's no show... Luckily we Had Adam to be a threat because it's gonna be a long season if we keep asking a RB to be a playmaker from the back... I said better as in better than he is atm. Right... Walter's better than Cameron that's good We won't miss SJW at all when he's on the bench but with our shit midfield whos going to bring the ball up or pass it up to Arnie? Nzonzi or Whelan? how'd that go today against CP a bottom league side who bossed our midfield? Your really grasping for Walters moment's of brilliance this season I know we all are... Give it a rest mate' he's had a shit season so far Cameron has just as many goals at RB than a CF/Winger... I thought we had a sense of desperation at stoke in the midfield and upfront when we were asking a previous MLS player to be a playmaker at RB because if arnie or assaidi weren't here fact is we'd have no chance for creativity up front with the likes of Walters, Crouch and Jones starting every week and never producing... I think hughes is one game from making cameron a winger and throwing on wilko at RB it's that sad..
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Post by sjohank on Jan 18, 2014 20:05:49 GMT
I'm sick of hearing about how hard he works. He is shit. This. The Jon "Lassie" Walters (neverending) story makes me sick. I thought MH would drop him when both Arnie and Assaidi had arrived. I just can't believe he's still playing in the PL. It's a fcuking disgrace.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 20:09:43 GMT
I'm sick of hearing about how hard he works. He is shit. This. The Jon "Lassie" Walters (neverending) story makes me sick. I thought MH would drop him when both Arnie and Assaidi had arrived. I just can't believe he's still playing in the PL. It's a fcuking disgrace. Apparently some like Boskamp think he's been good so... EDIT "BETTER"... it's others holding him back... The W's need to leave. Wilson and Walters they offer nothing. Disgrace of a squad spot rather have ness back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 18, 2014 20:39:55 GMT
He finally passed to a Stoke player in the 62nd minute.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
NOT!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 21:11:01 GMT
I said better as in better than he is atm. Right... Walter's better than Cameron that's good We won't miss SJW at all when he's on the bench but with our shit midfield whos going to bring the ball up or pass it up to Arnie? Nzonzi or Whelan? how'd that go today against CP a bottom league side who bossed our midfield? Your really grasping for Walters moment's of brilliance this season I know we all are... Give it a rest mate' he's had a shit season so far Cameron has just as many goals at RB than a CF/Winger... I thought we had a sense of desperation at stoke in the midfield and upfront when we were asking a previous MLS player to be a playmaker at RB because if arnie or assaidi weren't here fact is we'd have no chance for creativity up front with the likes of Walters, Crouch and Jones starting every week and never producing... I think hughes is one game from making cameron a winger and throwing on wilko at RB it's that sad.. No I was saying if Walters didn't have to cover Cameron all the time he'd be able to do more going forward. At no point did I compare the two.
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 18, 2014 21:44:07 GMT
It appears that we have collectively failed today and we have posts that attack individual players. I would remind some quick draw specialists to consider the club (City) motto if we are to remain safe this season
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 21:49:26 GMT
Right... Walter's better than Cameron that's good We won't miss SJW at all when he's on the bench but with our shit midfield whos going to bring the ball up or pass it up to Arnie? Nzonzi or Whelan? how'd that go today against CP a bottom league side who bossed our midfield? Your really grasping for Walters moment's of brilliance this season I know we all are... Give it a rest mate' he's had a shit season so far Cameron has just as many goals at RB than a CF/Winger... I thought we had a sense of desperation at stoke in the midfield and upfront when we were asking a previous MLS player to be a playmaker at RB because if arnie or assaidi weren't here fact is we'd have no chance for creativity up front with the likes of Walters, Crouch and Jones starting every week and never producing... I think hughes is one game from making cameron a winger and throwing on wilko at RB it's that sad.. No I was saying if Walters didn't have to cover Cameron all the time he'd be able to do more going forward. At no point did I compare the two. That's the biggest myth on this board... Walters didn't track back at all today because Cameron was basically our winger and defender today. If anything Cameron cover's for Walters in more ways, crosses attacking option and outlet... but yea... SJW saves stoke by covering cameron... I thought that was Ryans duty or is SJW a CB now too? Fucking hell that is some dillusional shit at best... Even if Walters went forward he'd still fuck up...
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 18, 2014 21:55:18 GMT
Agenda post
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 21:55:47 GMT
No I was saying if Walters didn't have to cover Cameron all the time he'd be able to do more going forward. At no point did I compare the two. That's the biggest myth on this board... Walters didn't track back at all today because Cameron was basically our winger and defender today. If anything Cameron cover's for Walters in more ways, crosses attacking option and outlet... but yea... SJW saves stoke by covering cameron... I thought that was Ryans duty or is SJW a CB now too? Fucking hell that is some dillusional shit at best... Even if Walters went forward he'd still fuck up... We must have been watching different games because I saw plenty of tracking back by Walters, one that sticks in the mind was when he gave a corner away, difficult to do if you don't track back.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 22:08:03 GMT
That's the biggest myth on this board... Walters didn't track back at all today because Cameron was basically our winger and defender today. If anything Cameron cover's for Walters in more ways, crosses attacking option and outlet... but yea... SJW saves stoke by covering cameron... I thought that was Ryans duty or is SJW a CB now too? Fucking hell that is some dillusional shit at best... Even if Walters went forward he'd still fuck up... We must have been watching different games because I saw plenty of tracking back by Walters, one that sticks in the mind was when he gave a corner away, difficult to do if you don't track back. We must have been because when Crystal Palace stop's your starting winger like a brick wall and you think is a good performance I don't know what your seeing... Fact is he didn't do his "role." He was not attacking well hence Cameron having to once again overlap him and get crosses in. In fact the only time he does track back is right after he loses possession and runs back to stop a counter... Assaidi does that and scores and gets assists and even gives the opposition goals he offers pace and a outlet something SJW doesn't have anymore but how come oussama is playing better? Because for someone who say's "this season" alot SJW "this season" is utterly shite. I Didn't see SJW have copious amounts of crosses and shots? Did you? How many goals or assist's did he have? I didn't see any? How many times did he take his man on? OOhhh That's right he's a "defensive winger" He offer's defense... You're looking for that instead of a normal winger... If we had one of those we might not have to have a RB do two "roles."
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2014 22:10:11 GMT
We must have been watching different games because I saw plenty of tracking back by Walters, one that sticks in the mind was when he gave a corner away, difficult to do if you don't track back. We must have been because when Crystal Palace stop's your starting winger like a brick wall and you think is a good performance I don't know what your seeing... Fact is he didn't do his "role." He was not attacking well hence Cameron having to once again overlap him and get crosses in. In fact the only time he does track back is right after he loses possession and runs back to stop a counter... Assaidi does that and scores and gets assists and even gives the opposition goals he offers pace and a outlet something SJW doesn't have anymore but how come oussama is playing better? Because for someone who say's "this season" alot SJW "this season" is utterly shite. I Didn't see SJW have copious amounts of crosses and shots? Did you? How many goals or assist's did he have? I didn't see any? How many times did he take his man on? OOhhh That's right he's a "defensive winger" He offer's defense... You're looking for that instead of a normal winger... If we had one of those we might not have to have a RB do two "roles." Again, where did I say it was good performance? You seem to be making an angle so you can have an argument about anything.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 18, 2014 22:19:47 GMT
We must have been because when Crystal Palace stop's your starting winger like a brick wall and you think is a good performance I don't know what your seeing... Fact is he didn't do his "role." He was not attacking well hence Cameron having to once again overlap him and get crosses in. In fact the only time he does track back is right after he loses possession and runs back to stop a counter... Assaidi does that and scores and gets assists and even gives the opposition goals he offers pace and a outlet something SJW doesn't have anymore but how come oussama is playing better? Because for someone who say's "this season" alot SJW "this season" is utterly shite. I Didn't see SJW have copious amounts of crosses and shots? Did you? How many goals or assist's did he have? I didn't see any? How many times did he take his man on? OOhhh That's right he's a "defensive winger" He offer's defense... You're looking for that instead of a normal winger... If we had one of those we might not have to have a RB do two "roles." Again, where did I say it was good performance? You seem to be making an angle so you can have an argument about anything. There's no arguement mate, SJW is shite he's done feck all this season and you consistently tout of his "tracking back" and "defensive efforts" week in week out. That's the truth and the other truth is this season hughes is having to use Cameron as an attacking option because of inconsistent wing play from RW. Fact. If he was an actual winger he could create space on his own much in the like of assaidi but having no pace or off the ball movement anymore what does he have? minutes? The only Angle is that your looking for flashes of brilliance or gold through "sifting" and there's feck all in the pan. Even your boy Whelan has more in the bank this season than that over used has been Walters. It's okay if he doesn't contribute "anything."
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 18, 2014 23:39:06 GMT
I'd find it amusing that all the people who thought that if Pulis went, whoever replaced him would magically agree with their view of Walters, are enraged that Pulis' replacement has turned out to agree with him, if it was funny. But it's not. (that was a fucking long sentence, wasn't it? Damn this whisky's good.)
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2014 2:25:52 GMT
As said above, it's like playing with ten men and has been for ages with the odd exception of an average (meaning brilliant for him) game.
Awful - heading, control, pace, ability to beat a player, ability to take a chance, ability to control the ball, tackling ability, passing ability.
Good - running around a lot.
Fuck him off, it's well beyond a joke now.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 19, 2014 3:03:36 GMT
The bloke is out-jumped, outpaced, out-thought, out-played and outclassed by very very average opposition players. Until his continual selection comes to an end we shall never look or be a continual threat going forward. But this as been the case for over 2 years I find it amazing that we are still discussing the bleeding obvious.
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