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Post by gothicstokelover on Jan 15, 2014 3:51:59 GMT
Ok so I actually emailed this idea to knotfm....
But after the match like for us when Sterling caused a penalty for diving, which changed the dynamic of the game in my eyes.
Anyway, after the match and after the dive, handball or anything else that caused a penalty that shouldnt of ever happened has been watched by an independant ref or any other offical that has the job...
During that teams next match so using Sterling as an example in the Liverpool Vs Aston Villa, at the very start of the match Aston Villa get a free penatly to kick off the match.
The Prem league use to be league where it was cleaner, and just football at the best level and now its turning to where we talk about the refering rather than the football played and thats sad...
Also this would be a massive incentive for clubs to punish their players that do choose to cheat in the pentaly box, instead of giving a master class on how best to dive and get away with cheating.....I doubt this law will ever be passed but I did wonder what other people would think.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2014 4:22:37 GMT
Just no, awful idea, the way to stop divers is long bans, something around 8/9 games it will soon stop players diving as no doubt clubs would fine them if they got such a long ban.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 6:50:33 GMT
I always thought it was best to have 10 awful ideas instead of no ideas at all, but I'm reconsidering that now  Joking aside, I think its a terrible, terrible idea. It all forms part of the argument for using technology during the game |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 15, 2014 7:14:08 GMT
10 match ban and team deducted 5 points for a first offence.
20 match ban and team deducted 10 points for a second offence.
12 month ban and team deducted 20 points for a third offence.
Life ban for fourth offence.
That would stop it quite easily. Perhaps team eliminated from the cup for diving in cup games. And I know this is a crazy idea, but how about referees being award for officiating games fairly and to the laws of the game? I think I'm getting silly now though.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 15, 2014 7:18:39 GMT
What a daft idea. Basically, the op is saying that, because Stoke get shafted by a poor decision, snother club entirely (in this example, Aston Villa) should benefit in the next round of matches! Where is the logic in that? Supposing that free penalty give Villa a win and suppose those 3 points meant they stayed up and we got relegated? Some justice, that would be!  The answer to diving is to punish the divers with a 3 match ban for a blatant offence and a 6 match ban for a second offence within a short time - maybe with a points deduction for the club for persistent offences. This could be done by a video ref (probably not going to get the go ahead at present) or, more likely, a panel who review potential "dives" after the game - perhaps each manager could be allowed 3 referrals. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 15, 2014 7:32:39 GMT
10 match ban and team deducted 5 points for a first offence. 20 match ban and team deducted 10 points for a second offence. 12 month ban and team deducted 20 points for a third offence. Life ban for fourth offence. That would stop it quite easily. Perhaps team eliminated from the cup for diving in cup games. And I know this is a crazy idea, but how about referees being award for officiating games fairly and to the laws of the game? I think I'm getting silly now though. This plus a panel overturning goal scored through cheating as with Stirling. If that changes the result then that's tough. No you aren't being silly......you are one of millions of fans who are sick to the high teeth of cheats masquerading and getting paid a kings ransom as footballers. |
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2014 7:38:22 GMT
In an incident re Fellaini headbutting Shawcross, as well as a ban he should be banned from playing in the next game v that team.
Diving _ the same could apply but I agree a more severe punishment would be effective. Re penalties, a rugby style review would be a good idea, we would have had Sterlings penalty rescinded but we have got away with a few decisions as well!
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Post by stone6 on Jan 15, 2014 7:39:38 GMT
It's basically down to the FA to direct referee's to sort this out. I believe this would quickly be stamped out if ref's were firmer enforcing this law on the pitch. Yes they will miss some (like Sunday) and they will get some wrong too but the deterrent needs to be there. If a player throws himself to the floor in theatrical style and the ref doesn't give a foul, he has to book them there and then. At first we may see a stupid amount of bookings but it will soon stop.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Jan 15, 2014 7:40:18 GMT
Well no I'm not saying it if just Stoke get shafted  In other sports you get caught cheating you get disqualified....do it in football you get rewarded, seems the wrong way around to me....So something harsh has to be done to make players managers to stop encouraging them to cheat during games. |
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Post by chellpotter on Jan 15, 2014 8:46:27 GMT
You could scratch off the next penalty they get. The ref awards a penalty he's seen but then checks his matchday notes and sees that they had a penalty awarded for a dive previous and nulls the award.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 15, 2014 9:03:12 GMT
All it needs is retrospective action. A panel of 3 watch every game (independently) again reviewing anything they like, regardless of whether the ref has or has not seen. I view diving as a more blatent form of cheating than what lance armstrong did. I would treat diving like drugs cheats - they are both cheats afterall.
I would not class anything where there is physical contact (such as stirling's) as diving. I would call that going down too easily. If the panel of 3 all (independently) decide that a player has gone to ground too easily, regardless of whether it was a foul or not, the player receives a 1 match ban and a weeks worth of wages fine. 2nd offence is a 3 match ban and 2 weeks of wages fine, 3rd offence is a 5 match ban and 2 weeks wages plus the club gets a 1 point deduction, 4th offence is 7 match ban 2 weeks wages fine and 5 point deduction.
Similar action can be taken for terrible tackles.
Diving and going down too easily is eliminated from the game.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2014 9:12:18 GMT
If it could be possible (and I'm not sure how this could happen in reality) the club who are disadvantaged should be the one to benefit from any retrospective action.
Although a sending off / 5 points = a ban etc do mean there is a punishment for the club who are involved, the club on the receiving end may lose out twice.
Once in the game as they may have to play with 10 men / have a penalty awarded against them and
2. rival teams get the benefit of this punishment.
I do believe that the guilty player should not be allowed to play against that club in their next meeting
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Post by wembley4372 on Jan 15, 2014 9:31:17 GMT
It's simple to stop just make the punishment fit the crime.
Dive to gain a penalty - punishment, a penalty to the other team.
No need for pointless bookings.
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Post by foster on Jan 15, 2014 9:58:47 GMT
You could scratch off the next penalty they get. The ref awards a penalty he's seen but then checks his matchday notes and sees that they had a penalty awarded for a dive previous and nulls the award. That's no different from awarding the other team a pen at the start of the match, in terms of another team benefiting for the injustice dished out a team in the previous match. Also, if a defender/keeper knows that a team won't be awarded their next Pen then what's stopping them from committing a cynical challenge on a Striker who gets through on goal. mNo doubt they'll want to use that 'bonus challenge' rather than see the opposing team in the next game get it. A 3 game ban is the best option imo. |
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Post by foster on Jan 15, 2014 10:00:41 GMT
It's simple to stop just make the punishment fit the crime. Dive to gain a penalty - punishment, a penalty to the other team. No need for pointless bookings. Not a bad shout, but I prefer video technology now. Should maybe be consulted for all Penalty decisions that aren't clear cut. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 15, 2014 10:19:50 GMT
It's simple to stop just make the punishment fit the crime. Dive to gain a penalty - punishment, a penalty to the other team. No need for pointless bookings. Not a bad shout, but I prefer video technology now. Should maybe be consulted for all Penalty decisions that aren't clear cut. within 10 years we will have video technology replays and some sort of appeal system ala cricket and rugby |
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Post by whereami on Jan 15, 2014 12:09:51 GMT
Fa issue a directive to refs- any time a player goes down the first thought should be "would he have gone down on a concrete pitch?" if the answers no, book him
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Post by bolders on Jan 15, 2014 12:13:55 GMT
Yes ban them but hit them where it really hurts them their pocket, they don't get paid while on a ban plus a nice fine from both player and club.
Plus I always thought it would be a good idea that the person who got fouled should take the penalty.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 15, 2014 12:23:33 GMT
The offending player should be made to wear a large hat with 'CHEAT' on it, for the rest of the game.
If the hat falls off, send 'em off.
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Post by chellpotter on Jan 15, 2014 12:37:43 GMT
You could scratch off the next penalty they get. The ref awards a penalty he's seen but then checks his matchday notes and sees that they had a penalty awarded for a dive previous and nulls the award. That's no different from awarding the other team a pen at the start of the match, in terms of another team benefiting for the injustice dished out a team in the previous match. Also, if a defender/keeper knows that a team won't be awarded their next Pen then what's stopping them from committing a cynical challenge on a Striker who gets through on goal. mNo doubt they'll want to use that 'bonus challenge' rather than see the opposing team in the next game get it. A 3 game ban is the best option imo. Yes but you can still get sent off just like at any other time if you take down the striker, last man etc. I agree it gives the other club the benefits but punishes the divers team. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 15, 2014 12:37:46 GMT
It's simple to stop just make the punishment fit the crime. Dive to gain a penalty - punishment, a penalty to the other team. No need for pointless bookings. The problem is not the dive which the referee spots at the time. It is the dive which the ref does not spot which is the problem. To meet out justice in those cases you either need a video referee or a review panel. |
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Post by kingstokie on Jan 15, 2014 12:44:38 GMT
Snake pit.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 15, 2014 12:47:46 GMT
I have just sat an exam.
If I cheated in that exam, I would clearly be asked to leave and would be presented with a zero mark.
Football and all sports should be similar. A retrospective ban needs to be imposed for clear cheats, simple as. Whether or not that would include a points deduction, I am really not sure.
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Post by foster on Jan 15, 2014 12:49:15 GMT
That's no different from awarding the other team a pen at the start of the match, in terms of another team benefiting for the injustice dished out a team in the previous match. Also, if a defender/keeper knows that a team won't be awarded their next Pen then what's stopping them from committing a cynical challenge on a Striker who gets through on goal. mNo doubt they'll want to use that 'bonus challenge' rather than see the opposing team in the next game get it. A 3 game ban is the best option imo. Yes but you can still get sent off just like at any other time if you take down the striker, last man etc. I agree it gives the other club the benefits but punishes the divers team. Not sure why we're debating it but the defender could just commit a yellow card offence. Imagine if his teams winning 1-0 and in the last minute the other team get a 1-on-1 situation. The keeper will no doubt take out the striker, even it means a straight red. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 12:53:24 GMT
Maybe the football authorities could reintroduce the rule that you had to deliberately bring someone down for a penalty to be awarded, rather than gently caressing someone from one of the top teams.
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Post by Godo on Jan 15, 2014 13:50:58 GMT
Got to be a ban for 3 games, that or castration...........well if they aren't going to behave like men they don't need their bollocks do they?
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Post by JetBlack on Jan 15, 2014 14:13:41 GMT
There could be a couple 'big' hitters in regard to helping to stop diving and such. These are Sky Sports and Match of the day. If these programmes would stop their massaging of their favoured Clubs ego's, grow spines and highlight diving and/or cheating then this would in effect kickstart the FA into sorting out the problem there is in the game. But, sadly, these two programmes much prefer to highlight other parts of the game, especially if it includes fouls, dubious or not against the more favoured Clubs. How often do we hear "He was entitled to go down there" and other such ridiculous comments like that? Andy Townsend is the worst for this in my opinion, I absolutely hate that blokes commentary when football is on ITV.
Also Refs should be given performance points on the FA website and explanations for them.
Why these two 'progs consistently ignore diving, unless it's absolutely blatant, or against their favoured Clubs is criminal. They could do so much to improve the game, but, in my opinion CHOOSE, not to.
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Post by peadar87 on Jan 15, 2014 14:29:56 GMT
As I said in another thread, make it a straight red card, and punish it retrospectively with a video ref. You don't need any more than that to cut down on the vast majority of it. If you want to make it even harsher, have a standard fine (It definitely falls under "bringing the game into disrepute". Ask anyone what the biggest problem is with football. They won't say "players using naughty words on twitter", but there's a good chance diving will come up), and have a nominated charity each week that it's donated to.
Anyone stupid enough to dive after that, I'll happily give them a round of applause, as their obscene wages go towards helping kids with cancer, or starving people in Africa.
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Post by stokerob2 on Jan 15, 2014 17:10:05 GMT
It's probably the worst idea I've ever heard.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 15, 2014 17:15:01 GMT
The idea of a 'dive' is widely subjective.
Did Raheem Sterling dive? He went to ground easily, sure. But there was mild contact on him, which means it wasn't a dive, no?
Not saying it was a penalty, because he went down too easily, but some people might say a dive is no contact, where as others say a dive is where he could stay on his feet.
Where do we draw the line?
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