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Post by minty1964 on Jan 14, 2014 8:49:49 GMT
Absolutely hilarious, though not surprising in the least....
Just been on SSN that Mike Jones has been dropped due this weekend to his poor performance at the Toon v Man City.
After the shite we have had to endure over recent weeks, this really does prove that when the larger clubs moan and groan, things happen.
Atkinson should never ref again and Taylor, though he has apologised which is good of him (but doesn't help us now), should also be dropped for a game. Reckon it will happen???? Me neither.
The thing is, as Stokie's, we know where we stand in the ratings, lovefest's, media opinions, etc....all that we really do want and expect is total or near to impartial officiating. Will it happen soon....think not.
Dave
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 14, 2014 8:56:56 GMT
Absolutely hilarious, though not surprising in the least.... Just been on SSN that Mike Jones has been dropped due this weekend to his poor performance at the Toon v Man City. After the shite we have had to endure over recent weeks, this really does prove that when the larger clubs moan and groan, things happen. Atkinson should never ref again and Taylor, though he has apologised which is good of him (but doesn't help us now), should also be dropped for a game. Reckon it will happen???? Me neither. The thing is, as Stokie's, we know where we stand in the ratings, lovefest's, media opinions, etc....all that we really do want and expect is total or near to impartial officiating. Will it happen soon....think not. Dave That pretty much sums it up. I think the only way to rectify this is to employ a video ref. These mistakes are getting too frequent and ridiculous for the current situation to carry on. I personally don't feel that it would slow the game down too much, although many do. Even if it did slow the game down surely the increase in correct decision making would outweigh it. |
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Post by mcf on Jan 14, 2014 8:57:32 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision.
The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot.
If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is.
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Post by jstoke7 on Jan 14, 2014 9:14:45 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. It's a shitty grey area isn't it. So subjective. |
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Post by minty1964 on Jan 14, 2014 9:15:42 GMT
You are right mcf....the problem is the law is ambiguous... technically 3 of them were in an offside position, but also, as the law states, none of them were in the goalies line of sight and touched the ball. The law has been set by rule-makers not players / managers etc, and consequently is a fuckfest.
They are either on or not in my opinion. I remember when the rule came in it was to give the attacking team the advantage, to allow more goals in the game, and to encourage more shots on goal. This is exactly what happened but he decided to over-rule the lino, who clearly didn't give the offside.
However, as you say mcf...they were offside and despite what anyone says, hart will have seen all 3 of them in the corner of his eyeline and be worrying about the damage they could do. This without a doubt will have affected his positioning, reactions, decision when the ball was hit.
a very vague rule that needs putting straight at the end of the season. If Man City scored that, or Arsenal, Liverpool, chelsea or the shit... what do you honestly think the outcome would have been,,,enough said
Dave
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Post by jeycov on Jan 14, 2014 9:16:37 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. Agree, if a player is in the 6yd box he has to be interfering with play |
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Post by RAF on Jan 14, 2014 9:19:50 GMT
They are either in an offside position or not.
Fuck this interfering with play lark , it's bollocks.
H
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2014 9:26:54 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. It's a shitty grey area isn't it. So subjective. I don't think it's a grey area at all - mcf is absolutely bang on the money. If he doesn't move out of the way, the ball might of hit him on the shoulder or uncontrollably off his head, it could have gone anywhere, however as he SPECIFICALLY moved out of the way, the ball was then able to continue in it's direction and that is in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD - interfering with play. Furthermore, even if he hadn't had to have moved out of the way, he was STILL interfering with play because he was giving Hart an additional thing to worry about ... no Newcastle players in the six yard box and Hart can straight away dive to save the shot because he knows (for certain) that there's only one scenario that he's going to have to deal with, however in this instance he can't go and make the dive straight off the bat in case one of the other forwards gets on it and changes the direction of the ball, he thus has to delay his decision and is handicapped as a result. They were as offside as offside can be. Crazy decision to punish Jones. Football is in a sorry state at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 9:38:21 GMT
Has the linesman been dropped as well? As he made the main call for the "onside/offside" goal did he not? Jones went over to him and then acted on his advice.
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Post by minty1964 on Jan 14, 2014 9:43:20 GMT
The lino didn;t flag and didn't give it...only after protests from the City players did jones go to the lino...they discussed it, and after jones made his mind up and turned away did the lino raise his flad for offside.
if it was on at the Regent over Xmas, the kids would be screaming "oh yes he has" "oh no he hasn't"....absolute jokers
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Post by mcf on Jan 14, 2014 9:53:57 GMT
Indeed Spence I think it would be a major reason why Hart didn't go for it as he may have expected the forward to knock it in. If only Butland had thought the same thing on Sunday instead of chasing a shot that would have hit the corner flag  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 14, 2014 10:05:11 GMT
I agree with Mcf and Paul on this - except as I understand the law it depends on the opinion of the referee - if in his genuine opinion there was no interference the ref is also right - Look at the amount of opinions we have on here when we have all had chance to review the incident. As someone once said - if you are on the pitch , WHEREVER you stand you are interfering with play - I realise that isn't the spirit of the law as it stands BUT it is an opinion.
I also agree with Paul that the game is in a sorry state- dubious decisions of the refs are more important on the outcome of games than excellent football
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Post by stuammo on Jan 14, 2014 10:10:28 GMT
I actually think the striker in the six yard box was standing exactly where Hart would have dived so he stopped him diving merely by standing where he was, therefore most definitely interfering and therefore offside. Right decision for me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:36:30 GMT
Indeed Spence I think it would be a major reason why Hart didn't go for it as he may have expected the forward to knock it in. If only Butland had thought the same thing on Sunday instead of chasing a shot that would have hit the corner flag The only reason he didn't go for it was that he knew he had no chance of reaching it. His view was not obscured one iota. By the laws of the game it was the wrong decision. Witness Harts half arsed appeal, he knew he been beaten fair and square. To be honest it shouldn't be up for debate, this interfering with play lark wants buggering off. You're either offside or not, it's too open to interpretation. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2014 10:55:05 GMT
Taylor has been dropped hasn't he? Certainly from the prem, He's fourth official at Anfield for his punishment where he can hold Brendan's hand. It just doesn't seem to have reported in the same way.
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Post by werrington on Jan 14, 2014 13:12:28 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. Spot on Thing is though .....has he been dropped for that decision or the fact he then totally refused to send THREE Newcastle players off in the 2nd half ? Pardew got in his head |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jan 14, 2014 13:17:45 GMT
Im astonished as to how nothing has been looked into regarding the Atkinson fiasco.
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Post by onionman on Jan 14, 2014 13:23:57 GMT
Was Jones ever demoted after any of his genuinely disgraceful decisions in Stoke games? The Delap red card against Crawley, or the West Ham handball goal and our dodgy penalty in our cup quarter-final?
But the minute he upsets Parsnip with a correct decision in a grey area, he's out.
It's the rule-makers that have fucked up here. Was it Cloughie that said if you're not interfering with play, what the hell are you doing on the football pitch? Everyone is interfering with play at all times not just those that touch the bloody ball. Are dummy runs not interfering with play? Marking a man who makes a run, is that not interfering with play? Hogging the touchline to drag a full-back out wide - is that not interfering with play? Closing in on the keeper hoping for a rebound as someone takes a long range shot - same bloody thing!
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Post by mystokebadge on Jan 14, 2014 16:21:27 GMT
Good shout Dave the media don't give a shit,and what gets me everytime the ref gives a GAME CHANGING DECISION AGAINST US he then gives us a free kick in the centre circle or the likes as to balance things up.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 14, 2014 16:23:58 GMT
They are either in an offside position or not. Fuck this interfering with play lark , it's bollocks. H This or do away with offside altogether. |
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Post by metalhead on Jan 14, 2014 17:01:24 GMT
I too, seem to be in this minority that thought the ref was bang on. He literally jumps out of the way to avoid the ball. Just the movement of the player in Hart's peripheral vision is enough to distract him. I'm not saying Hart has any chance of saving it, but how could he not be distracted by the player in the 6 yard box.
Offside, right call. Ref gets dropped.
Penalty, blatant dive. Ref gets pay rise (probably).
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Post by mattface on Jan 14, 2014 17:18:10 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. Definitely not can't see what all the fuss is about - moved out of the way of the ball in an offside position - if that's not active don't know what is |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 17:29:53 GMT
Pardew really pissed me off with all of his moaning after that game. I'm developing an unhealthy hatred of Newcastle that isn't doing my blood pressure any good. May all things Newcastle please get fucked. Moaning bastards think they have the right to be a top club and everyone should bow down to them. Only a big club there's no fucker else near them. Please let them implode in a sea of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 19:11:43 GMT
I'm completely in shock about the decision to stand jones down for not even doing a fraction of what that bastard did to us. Castle moan and the ref gets stood down. We moan and Hughes gets fined!!
Go fucking drop dead you corrupt wankers
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 14, 2014 19:30:37 GMT
He should be dropped on his fucking head, as should that total wanker Taylor, and quite possibly after Saturday the utter bellend Clattenberg.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2014 19:49:01 GMT
I agree with mcf (goes for a lie down). If You have to get out of the way of the ball like that You're interfering. The goalkeeper has to anticipate a touch from him, that player is in the 'keeper's mind so is interfering with play.
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Post by therightside on Jan 14, 2014 22:31:39 GMT
It seems to me that Newcastle have got friends in very high places.
Almost everyone here can see why there were no repercussions to the Atkinson fiasco on Boxing Day.
Last weekend Newcastle were up against Manchester City, and were given total priority on all
aspects of the game by the FA and the entire media. There should be an urgent enquiry as to how
Newcastle didn't have three players sent off. If a Stoke player (Ryan for example!!) had carried
out that second half 'tackle' on Nasri the FA would have banned him for life.
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Post by blueknows on Jan 14, 2014 22:43:21 GMT
I think I might be the only person in the world that actually thinks it may have been the right decision. The ball was aiming for the forward that was in an offside position and he had to move out of the way so he didn't block the shot. If that is not interfering with play then I don't know what is. you will probably will say Im biased but it was the right decision Gouffran had to duck out of the way therefore he was interfering with play , nothing to do with Harts line of sight as most of the media focused on , funny how all the focus was on that goal and not the vicious red card offence on Nasri , still dont think it would of affected the game as we scored another 1-2 |
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Post by blueknows on Jan 14, 2014 22:49:05 GMT
It seems to me that Newcastle have got friends in very high places. Almost everyone here can see why there were no repercussions to the Atkinson fiasco on Boxing Day. Last weekend Newcastle were up against Manchester City, and were given total priority on all aspects of the game by the FA and the entire media. There should be an urgent enquiry as to how Newcastle didn't have three players sent off. If a Stoke player (Ryan for example!!) had carried out that second half 'tackle' on Nasri the FA would have banned him for life. well said , and after they disallowed it Pardews tactics seemed to be kick lumps out of em , Cabaye was also lucky to stay on the pitch , as was the assault on Nasri by Yanga , all Ive heard from newcastle fans is how they were cheated , how about Santon diving for a free kick that wrongly Zabaleta got booked for , now thats cheating |
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Post by scarlet on Jan 14, 2014 23:45:15 GMT
Makes the decision by the FA to completely ignore the Atkinson Boxing Day Fiasco even more sickening.
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