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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 13, 2014 10:11:14 GMT
As well as Butland played whilst letting 5 goals in, I think Begovic may have commanded his defence a little better, particularly when it came to the second goal where Ryan was a culpable as Wilson. My glass is half empty I'm afraid and we can argue all we want about bad luck but there are still glaring deficiencies we need to address so I'm siding with Merkin here.
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Post by torquaypotter on Jan 13, 2014 10:16:23 GMT
Good shout! And also to SCFC staff, just look at the difference it made to the noise level in the stadium. Sounded quiet on tele ! Try turning the volume up friend very good from the stoke crowd I like how mark [h] asked the crowd to keep the noise up after we scored .Just may I add one thing no disrespect to mr pulis but I do not think we would have fought that hard under him.At 2 0 down I feel we would have just tried to defend
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Post by metalhead on Jan 13, 2014 10:20:50 GMT
As well as Butland played whilst letting 5 goals in, I think Begovic may have commanded his defence a little better, particularly when it came to the second goal where Ryan was a culpable as Wilson. My glass is half empty I'm afraid and we can argue all we want about bad luck but there are still glaring deficiencies we need to address so I'm siding with Merkin here. I think you're right about Butland. Begovic is very quick to react and I think if he'd been in goal and Wilson did that, he'd have flown out to collect it or at least clatter Suarez. Butland was nervous about coming, no doubt.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 13, 2014 10:26:46 GMT
Totally agree, apart from the unnecessary f word, which doesn't help the statement.
I'm sure MH will be addressing the goals against issue that is worrying; come back Huthy and Bego. But I'm sure they would have also struggled against Liverpool, but maybe not against Newcastle and Spurs.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 13, 2014 10:38:42 GMT
'over a 0-2 defeat with a defensive, damage limitation set up.' Are you honestly telling me that wasn't a reference to Pulis? Absolutely. I watched Hull lose 2-0 to Chelsea and that was what was in my head when i made the comment.
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Post by Paddypotter on Jan 13, 2014 11:24:50 GMT
(Perhaps one of the poorest tactical offering I've ever fucking seen in relation to the level that we play at)
Mcf: Was this your 1st reference to TP?
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Post by mcf on Jan 13, 2014 11:34:43 GMT
Yes and No. It was reference to all games in the Prem which include both Pulis and Hughes games.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 13, 2014 12:45:34 GMT
I must live in another world to you lot. Perhaps one of the poorest tactical offering I've ever fucking seen in relation to the level that we play at. When was the last time we conceded 5 at home in the league? To give up such a wonderful record against those cunts in that self destructive manner was scandalous. If you are sitting in your seat considering tactics and worrying about historical records when there is such end to end excitement being played out in front of you, you are bang on the money. You do live in another world and it is one you are welcome to keep all to yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 12:48:23 GMT
It was a fantastic game wasn't it. I'd take losing those type of matches week after week after week.
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Post by werrington on Jan 13, 2014 12:50:06 GMT
It was a fantastic game wasn't it. I'd take losing those type of matches week after week after week. As against defending 3:0 defeats
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 13, 2014 12:53:44 GMT
It was a fantastic game wasn't it. I'd take losing those type of matches week after week after week. Happily we don't so the point is completely mute.
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Post by snapper23 on Jan 13, 2014 12:57:55 GMT
Of course I am sorry we lost but it was a mad cap game. It was more like Subutteo at some points than a PL game A freak goal and an appalling penalty decision did not help us at all. We gifted them the second and were really unlucky to lose the fifth. Only the fourth was a really good goal which I defy any team to have stopped. We scored three hit the post once and but for Mignolets hand would have had another courtesy of Gerrards head. Personally I dont think we should have had a penalty but I have seen them given. Narrow margins but it could just as easily have been 5-5. We played with determination, guts and grit and that has to be good if we repeat it week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 13:01:55 GMT
Let us not forget that we were done in the Newcastle game by the ref, and also conceded a very dubious penalty in this game. We are playing the ref,s as well, and I,m convinced that that penalty would NOT have been given, if a Stoke player went down so easily. Wilson hardly touched him. Gerard said that he wasn't, a cheat by nature, but he went down easily again under another challenge by Charlie. Cheat in this game for me!
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Post by werrington on Jan 13, 2014 13:02:01 GMT
It was a fantastic game wasn't it. I'd take losing those type of matches week after week after week. Entertainment has been completely driven out of you mate It's best to stifle games and hope for a free kick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 13:02:09 GMT
Yes we lost 5-3 but if we had had the same luck as liverpool today we could have won 5-3 stoke played very well today and did not deserve to be on the losing side
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 13:07:09 GMT
Let's go for it as long as the opposition don't get two more every week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 13:11:39 GMT
It was a fantastic game wasn't it. I'd take losing those type of matches week after week after week. Entertainment has been completely driven out of you mate It's best to stifle games and hope for a free kick Could have swore we battered them last year, oh, errrr, maybe not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2014 13:16:03 GMT
I don't give a shite about entertainment over results. Give me our away draw at Hull over the Swansea 3-3 fiasco every day of the week but we played as well as I can remember yesterday. We really got at them and looked a very decent side. Sadly a couple of brain farts and a bit of genius shit on our chips.
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Post by werrington on Jan 13, 2014 13:16:06 GMT
Entertainment has been completely driven out of you mate It's best to stifle games and hope for a free kick Could have swore we battered them last year, oh, errrr, maybe not. We also lost 4:0 at home to Chelsea Oh errr maybe not
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 13, 2014 13:32:58 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed the game but our defending was abysmal. Yes I'm happy to see us looking better going forward but more than a little worried about the crazy amount of goals we've shipped in recently.
A bit of a compromise wouldn't go amiss. (That and Huth back).
Continue defending like we have this past month or so and we WILL be in big trouble.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 13, 2014 13:43:33 GMT
Entertainment has been completely driven out of you mate It's best to stifle games and hope for a free kick Could have swore we battered them last year, oh, errrr, maybe not. We battered the same Liverpool team? I don't think so. If you haven't noticed the whole football world is talking about how improved Liverpool are and are actually seriously describing them as outsiders to take the title. Something that hasn't been the case for a very, very long time. Of course some individual players made some schoolboy errors yesterday but I think most will have been very encouraged by how the side played overall yesterday. That sort of approach will win us more home games than it will lose and many will be delighted that they now watch football where a fear of losing is not strangling the life out of every game. We do, after all want our football to be progressive and exciting at least some of the time as well don't we or why bother? I know and understand that the end outcome is paramount but results not embarrassing us in front of our mates when they look at the round up in next days papers isn't what it is all about, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 13:55:08 GMT
Why bring Pulis into it? I'd take a high scoring defeat against a low scoring defeat but those aren't the choices we've had against the bin dippers are they!? We had never lost to them at home in the league before yesterday. We can't throw winnable games away. We are on target for barely 40 points again and we can't be so flippant about tossing points away. 'We had never lost to them at home in the league before yesterday' - well, for the last 5 games certainly. But how does that have any bearing at all on what happened yesterday? Liverpool at home certainly is not a 'winnable game' and needs to have everybody bang on it. Liverpool have proven since the turn of 2013 that they are a fantastic side and incredibly dangerous on the attack and I don't think there could have been any complaints had we got something out of the game. Unfortunately, a couple of howlers, a fluke own goal and a soft penalty (again with a clear handball to put them on the break) did for us. You look at those goals, we should have done better with the 2nd, left Suarez wide open for the 4th and Butland was incredibly unlucky with the 5th having made a top class save, but then slipped as he repositioned. It was incredibly heartening to see us keep going at them and make a hugely positive sub with Ireland coming on for Nzonzi; two absolutely top class goals by Crouch and Adam and there's no shame in sport regardless of the emotion in holding your hands up and saying that our best efforts weren't quite good enough especially against that Liverpool side. Still lots to improve on, of course, but by jingo plenty to be proud about too.
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Post by mcf on Jan 13, 2014 14:45:05 GMT
It's just another game where we could have got something and we have nothing.
I think this team is capable of getting more points than it is (and I thought exactly the same last season) and that is the top and bottom of it.
This isn't because of the players but because we are trying to play a way that doesn't suit us enough often enough.
I did enjoy much of yesterday as I have enjoyed plenty of the games from Chelsea onwards - I've said as much on here - but at the end of the day I was rather disappointed that we basically pissed a game away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 14:49:43 GMT
Could have swore we battered them last year, oh, errrr, maybe not. We also lost 4:0 at home to Chelsea Oh errr maybe not And if my Aunty had bollocks and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 14:50:52 GMT
Could have swore we battered them last year, oh, errrr, maybe not. We battered the same Liverpool team? I don't think so. If you haven't noticed the whole football world is talking about how improved Liverpool are and are actually seriously describing them as outsiders to take the title. Something that hasn't been the case for a very, very long time. Of course some individual players made some schoolboy errors yesterday but I think most will have been very encouraged by how the side played overall yesterday. That sort of approach will win us more home games than it will lose and many will be delighted that they now watch football where a fear of losing is not strangling the life out of every game. We do, after all want our football to be progressive and exciting at least some of the time as well don't we or why bother? I know and understand that the end outcome is paramount but results not embarrassing us in front of our mates when they look at the round up in next days papers isn't what it is all about, is it? Not like you to rubbish an achievement is it mark?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 14:53:30 GMT
Would have been nice play together as a team and not just part of one. Yeah we scored three goals but conceded five don't forget.
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Post by whereami on Jan 13, 2014 14:57:00 GMT
Its apt that it was vs Liverpool because they were similar last year, although on a different scale. They had more than enough fuckups which were an inevitable part of them becoming more fluid, and what they are now is a team further down the same path we are on. While nowhere near perfect, were showing enough signs to keep the faith surely??
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 13, 2014 17:20:21 GMT
We battered the same Liverpool team? I don't think so. If you haven't noticed the whole football world is talking about how improved Liverpool are and are actually seriously describing them as outsiders to take the title. Something that hasn't been the case for a very, very long time. Of course some individual players made some schoolboy errors yesterday but I think most will have been very encouraged by how the side played overall yesterday. That sort of approach will win us more home games than it will lose and many will be delighted that they now watch football where a fear of losing is not strangling the life out of every game. We do, after all want our football to be progressive and exciting at least some of the time as well don't we or why bother? I know and understand that the end outcome is paramount but results not embarrassing us in front of our mates when they look at the round up in next days papers isn't what it is all about, is it? Not like you to rubbish an achievement is it mark?. If in your opinion it is an "achievement" to beat Liverpool, then I am sure you have taken yesterdays defeat stoically? To try and compare directly a game against the universally acknowledged much improved Liverpool side with the corresponding fixture last season (as you did) doesn't have much meaning, does it? Absolutely nothing to do with rubbishing achievements. Everything doesn't come down to a Pulis test so switch your vigilante alarm off.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2014 17:31:19 GMT
We also lost 4:0 at home to Chelsea Oh errr maybe not And if my Aunty had bollocks and all that. Oh dear. You must get off on mugging yourself off mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 17:58:40 GMT
Thought it was an achievement myself especially after going one down within the first few minutes and then going on to god nan impressive 'YES IMPRESSIVE' 3-1 win.
Still, never mind, you just keep belittling its performance,
You're very bitter mark,
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