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Post by dbstoke on Jan 9, 2014 0:12:32 GMT
Jones?? JONES????? Fucking Phil Jones???????
I'm not watching this World Cup if that useless skidmark is selected!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 9, 2014 12:37:09 GMT
captain ryan playing so well at the moment if he continues to perform could he make england squad in the summer to brazil? If Smalling is good enough then Ryan is!
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 9, 2014 12:39:44 GMT
No chance for Ryan I'm afraid. He had his chance against Sweden and blew it*
He didn't actually get a chance, he was thrown on for 20 minutes against one of the best strikers in the World. But in the eyes of the press he will have come on and we turned a 2-1 lead into a 4-2 defeat while he was on the pitch
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Post by y2j on Jan 9, 2014 12:40:16 GMT
Cahill is massively over-rated and barely got a look-in until he joined Chelsea. Not a big fan of Smalling either. But, unfortunately because he doesn't play for a 'top' team, he won't go. Sad but true. I could understand if Ryan handed in a transfer request. He'll know himself that if he left us to join a bigger club, he's more likely to get in the England squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:41:01 GMT
cahill, dawson, jagielka.....all ahead of ryan (even if you ignore jones and smalling) and they're ahead of him because they're better than him. end of, no conspiracy at all
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2014 12:48:11 GMT
cahill, dawson, jagielka.....all ahead of ryan (even if you ignore jones and smalling) and they're ahead of him because they're better than him. end of, no conspiracy at all I wouldn't swap him for any of the five players you mention. None of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:51:35 GMT
cahill, dawson, jagielka.....all ahead of ryan (even if you ignore jones and smalling) and they're ahead of him because they're better than him. end of, no conspiracy at all I wouldn't swap him for any of the five players you mention. None of them. i think the vast majority of neutrals would (not jones and smalling obviously...they're utter wank! the reason i mentioned them is because they seem to be the two everyone is using as an example as to why he should be in the squad because it's easier to use them than the other three i mention s the other 3 are actually quite good and if we use them as a comparison it actually might look like a fair decision by Woy rather than it appear to be a massive anti-stoke conspiracy...and we can't have that now can we...even if it is the truth!)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2014 13:02:54 GMT
I wouldn't swap him for any of the five players you mention. None of them. i think the vast majority of neutrals would (not jones and smalling obviously...they're utter wank! the reason i mentioned them is because they seem to be the two everyone is using as an example as to why he should be in the squad because it's easier to use them than the other three i mention s the other 3 are actually quite good and if we use them as a comparison it actually might look like a fair decision by Woy rather than it appear to be a massive anti-stoke conspiracy...and we can't have that now can we...even if it is the truth!) Maybe you're right but the fact that he has been given just 20 minutes to stake his claim suggests that he hasn't been treated entirely fairly. Just a few months ago Cahill and Jagielka were turned inside out by Kenny fucking Miller. Kenny. Fucking. Miller. They seem to have escaped any sanction whatsoever, whereas Shawcross has been discarded like a syringe with shit on it. You laugh at 'conspiracy theories' Mick but do you think he would have been treated that way if he played for Man Utd or Chelsea?
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Post by mrred on Jan 9, 2014 13:13:40 GMT
Deserves to. Won't.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 9, 2014 14:37:58 GMT
As someone who has little vested interest in the England side, outside of some discussion on here, there are several reasons why Ryan should and should not be selected. The reasons he should are obvious and been stated. He is a solid "old-school" defender who does the small things well and does what it takes. In that I don't see any of the others mentioned matching him. However in terms of the style of football Woy and virtually every other team/coach wants to play, perception and some truth is why he would not be selected. As mentioned his passing and touch from the back is probably not good as the others (jones and smalling aside). My guess this is largely due to the style we had been playing and the fact that in some games we get little midfield support and the right play is to just clear the ball. So Ryan has little change to impress that he is capable of the play that Woy wants to see.
Do I think he should be selected based on all that? Yes, because I think he can play that type of game effectively and any squad would benefit from a player like Ryan not matter the style they play.
Just my outside two cents.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 9, 2014 14:49:17 GMT
When it comes to Center Halves (purely personal opinion), I think England are at an all-time low. We sing the praises of mediocre players like Terry and Ferdinand because they are the best we've had recently but, on a World Stage, they are so bloody basic. The batch we have available at the moment is monumentally uninspiring and, as a result, I agree that Ryan is as good an option as any.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 14:52:15 GMT
If he's not better than Jones, Cahill and Smalling then I'm a Dutchman. Cahill actually being the worst out of that little lot.
I don't rate Dawson either and would have Shawcross every day of the week above him.
Jagielka is maybe slightly better but not by much if at all.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 9, 2014 14:56:02 GMT
If he's not better than Jones, Cahill and Smalling then I'm a Dutchman. Cahill actually being the worst out of that little lot. I don't rate Dawson either and would have Shawcross every day of the week above him. Jagielka is maybe slightly better but not by much if at all. Oh I agree bayern. Of that lot, Ryan and Jagielka are the only two I rate. For what it's worth, I just don't think Jones is a CH at all. He's looked ok at times going forward and, although he may prove to be just as bad, I'd let him try to make his name in midfield. Manchester United are crap in both areas at the moment.
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 9, 2014 14:56:34 GMT
If Smalling goes ahead of our Ryan..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 14:58:32 GMT
If he's not better than Jones, Cahill and Smalling then I'm a Dutchman. Cahill actually being the worst out of that little lot. I don't rate Dawson either and would have Shawcross every day of the week above him. Jagielka is maybe slightly better but not by much if at all. Oh I agree bayern. Of that lot, Ryan and Jagielka are the only two I rate. For what it's worth, I just don't think Jones is a CH at all. He's looked ok at times going forward and, although he may prove to be just as bad, I'd let him try to make his name in midfield. Manchester United are crap in both areas at the moment. He looks like quite a good defensive/box to box midfielder to me. I've been saying it for years. And the journos and coaches keep saying he's a centre back, yet he can't get a game there unless 4 other players are injured. Two of them are Johnny Evans and Chris Smalling. Says it all really.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Jan 10, 2014 12:36:49 GMT
captain ryan playing so well at the moment if he continues to perform could he make england squad in the summer to brazil? Personally speaking, I don't want Ryan anywhere near the England squad. Shit manager, shit players, shit team and shit-all chance. Better he takes a holiday and returns for pre-season fit and ready to go for the next season.
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Post by burge2u on Jan 10, 2014 14:12:24 GMT
The current England squad & Manager have no chance of winning the World Cup, so it's perhaps best if Ryan isn't called up as a late 'scapegoat' for the current regime. Ryan stands a much better chance of playing for England under the new regime after this summer's debacle.
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Post by stokie1130 on Jan 10, 2014 14:20:59 GMT
Hes allways playing for england on fifa :-)
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2014 14:42:07 GMT
If Ferdinand is picked to play the English fans should stay at home! He is well past it and that is easy to see for anybody!
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jan 10, 2014 14:56:23 GMT
Cahill is massively over-rated and barely got a look-in until he joined Chelsea. Not a big fan of Smalling either. But, unfortunately because he doesn't play for a 'top' team, he won't go. Sad but true. I could understand if Ryan handed in a transfer request. He'll know himself that if he left us to join a bigger club, he's more likely to get in the England squad. I know what you're saying about the transfer request and I wouldn't blame him either. However he doesn't seem like that sort of bloke ( fortunately)
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Post by ukcstokie on Jan 10, 2014 16:45:02 GMT
How any sane person can think that Cahill, Smalling or Jones are better defenders than Ryan I just don't know.
Maybe better overall footballers, but none of those 3 are fit to lace Ryan's boots when it comes to defending.
And if people don't think that our defence will be severely tested at the WC for it's ability to defend, rather than to pass the ball 20 yards sideways, then they're living on a different planet to me.
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Post by alster on Jan 10, 2014 17:08:33 GMT
The way Ryan's developing his game, he definitely deserves another crack at the England squad. I can sort of understand why he's had so little opportunity so far in his career. What with his nightmare debut and the awful agricultural shit he produced to order week in week out under the previous regime at Stoke. Now he's being encouraged to play more football and is growing in confidence to do so. I'm really interested to see how his progress compares when Huth comes back in as I think Ryan has flourished with Wilson alongside him and am now a bit aprehensive about our best? centre half partnership being reunited. I love Huthy he's been epic for us these last few seasons despite being royally forked about by Mr Pulis on a couple of occasions for no good reason but he's not looked overly comfortable with whats required under the new regime and I'm begining to wonder if he's really the best option there or maybe try to cash in and use the current pairing as first choice with quite a few options already in the squad to cover.
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