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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 24, 2013 10:39:51 GMT
A new recruitment policy is only as good as the players it's bringing in and the value. It could be said that the jury is out at the moment. January is a big test for the 'transfer team'. That rather depends on where you want to put your benchmark. If you are going to set it against how much we spend and how much we are prepared to blow on been around the block Premier League players you may well be disappointed. There are other external as well as internal factors to take into account now that means the rules of engagement are changed from the recent past.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 10:41:40 GMT
I wonder why Hughes gets away with no criticism when he talks shit? In his post match against Hull when he said 'we controlled every aspect of the match' I spat my beer out and expected to see his ludicrous comments dissected by the usual suspects on here but there was nothing. Wonder why? It could be that we actually did control the Hull game excellently and gave a very good away performance that had much more about it than parking the bus and hoping something dropped for us. Alternatively it could be that we are all hypocritical cuntflaps! I'm waiting for you to ride in, sirens blaring and jump all over your own post for daring to question the manager in any way shape or form. I've been dying to ask: Are any of the London Boys Palarse fans by any slim chance? I didn't raise it at the time as it didn't seem necessary but as you know I am a beacon for justice and fairness so thought I'd put it to the hypocrites now All Chelsea and QPR round my end. The latter went all Pulis/Bristol City on my ass when we appointed Hughes so very much enjoying laughing at them now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 10:43:07 GMT
Potentially stupid point. But how much of a role do manager actually have in transfer negotiations? I presume that over the summer managers come up with a list of targets and hand them over to the chairman and chief executive. Who then in turn begin negotiating with the club, player and agent. So surely when a player signs has more to do with the chairman, chief executive and agent? Happy to be disproved but that's always been my understanding. It is a very good question actually. The evidence of the recent past at Stoke has been the manager does not actually conclude the financial aspects of the deal but it is clear from the comments of Peter Coates that he allowed himself to be talked into deals by TP he would rather he hadn't done and lived to regret. The comments made regarding the Couch/Palacios deal make this pretty clear. Great that we have a chairman who has been prepared to back his manager in this way but clearly steps have been taken to deliver a more considered recruitment process that is partly designed to take emotion out of the assessment of a deal in the future. In my view this is sensible and will help to keep the club safe in the long term. Not a criticism of anybody but I think we all know deep down that the club could not continue to sustain those type of deals in the long term and things had to change. What this means is that if you think Pulis was shit in the transfer market then you MUST believe that the current recruitment team is tainted by the same failure?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 24, 2013 10:48:41 GMT
It is a very good question actually. The evidence of the recent past at Stoke has been the manager does not actually conclude the financial aspects of the deal but it is clear from the comments of Peter Coates that he allowed himself to be talked into deals by TP he would rather he hadn't done and lived to regret. The comments made regarding the Couch/Palacios deal make this pretty clear. Great that we have a chairman who has been prepared to back his manager in this way but clearly steps have been taken to deliver a more considered recruitment process that is partly designed to take emotion out of the assessment of a deal in the future. In my view this is sensible and will help to keep the club safe in the long term. Not a criticism of anybody but I think we all know deep down that the club could not continue to sustain those type of deals in the long term and things had to change. What this means is that if you think Pulis was shit in the transfer market then you MUST believe that the current recruitment team is tainted by the same failure? But I didn't say that to be fair. I pointedly said that it wasn't a question of blame. Things were no doubt done in good faith and with best interests at heart. I tried to say that things have changed because they had to which I'm sure you understand. What is gone is gone.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 24, 2013 10:53:51 GMT
You gotta admire Tony Pulis. How he spouts such shit whilst keeping a straight face, blissfully ignorant of his previous ramblings, is actually a touch of genius!
I suppose he is helped by the fact that he shuffles constantly and can't look you in the face when talking to you. ;-)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 10:55:23 GMT
What this means is that if you think Pulis was shit in the transfer market then you MUST believe that the current recruitment team is tainted by the same failure? But I didn't say that to be fair. I pointedly said that it wasn't a question of blame. Things were no doubt done in good faith and with best interests at heart. I tried to say that things have changed because they had to which I'm sure you understand. What is gone is gone. I'm not sure what has massively changed to be honest. We still seem to be hampered by the failures of old (not that surprising when a key member of the recruitment team was partly culpable for past errors). The recent link with Olic tells me that there is no new direction, it's still throw a load of darts at the wall and if one lands in a 96 year old striker so be it!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 24, 2013 11:08:27 GMT
Is it possible that, given his two years of transfer failure in his final seasons with Stoke, that he's re-evaluated his transfer strategy?
I know it's fairly popular to tow the 'Pulis doesn't know how to change' line, but he does. He wouldn't have survived in the Premiership for so long if he didn't.
Only time will tell I guess.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 24, 2013 11:11:03 GMT
But I didn't say that to be fair. I pointedly said that it wasn't a question of blame. Things were no doubt done in good faith and with best interests at heart. I tried to say that things have changed because they had to which I'm sure you understand. What is gone is gone. I'm not sure what has massively changed to be honest. We still seem to be hampered by the failures of old (not that surprising when a key member of the recruitment team was partly culpable for past errors). The recent link with Olic tells me that there is no new direction, it's still throw a load of darts at the wall and if one lands in a 96 year old striker so be it! Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 11:12:51 GMT
I'm not sure what has massively changed to be honest. We still seem to be hampered by the failures of old (not that surprising when a key member of the recruitment team was partly culpable for past errors). The recent link with Olic tells me that there is no new direction, it's still throw a load of darts at the wall and if one lands in a 96 year old striker so be it! Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy. It depends on how we all perceive limited but I hope that is wrong. I perceive limited to be two or so in, and two or so out.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 24, 2013 11:20:32 GMT
Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy. It depends on how we all perceive limited but I hope that is wrong. I perceive limited to be two or so in, and two or so out. Yep I think that will be the topside of it. There definitely won't be any major reconstruction I reckon just a little more depth. Hopefully it will focus on adding to the goal output.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 11:22:47 GMT
I'm not sure what has massively changed to be honest. We still seem to be hampered by the failures of old (not that surprising when a key member of the recruitment team was partly culpable for past errors). The recent link with Olic tells me that there is no new direction, it's still throw a load of darts at the wall and if one lands in a 96 year old striker so be it! Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy. I suppose we are getting value without getting bargains. Arnie and Eric look about worth what we paid for them and not a penny more, which is OK but not really exciting. I honestly did expect some 'hidden gems' as much as they exist in the modern age. I'm yet to be convinced of any revolution in our recruitment but as it increasingly looks like we may be safe this year, I'd say this summer is the acid test. In August this needs to be a Hughes team and between him Cartwright, Scholes and Coates they have to deliver this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 11:25:05 GMT
Has he mentioned yet about how much love log he forced those wankstains to gag on?.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 24, 2013 11:30:42 GMT
Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy. I suppose we are getting value without getting bargains. Arnie and Eric look about worth what we paid for them and not a penny more, which is OK but not really exciting. I honestly did expect some 'hidden gems' as much as they exist in the modern age. I'm yet to be convinced of any revolution in our recruitment but as it increasingly looks like we may be safe this year, I'd say this summer is the acid test. In August this needs to be a Hughes team and between him Cartwright, Scholes and Coates they have to deliver this. Oh I definitely think that the summer has to allow Hughes to really have his stamp on things. I guess half the trick will be in getting out the surplus to requirement still under contract. This is where the Financial Fair play rules bite if you still have players on the wage bill you don't actually want.
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Post by swampmongrel on Dec 24, 2013 11:36:01 GMT
Tone can be a bit 'inconsistant' at times can't he? On a more general point, of course all managers would like to do their business as early as possible. Unfortunately, as evidenced by ALL clubs (and the general panic on transfer deadline) most deals end up being very last minute. It's the nature of the beast and doesn't prove that Tony (or Hughes and Cartwright for that matter) are massive twats/transfer geniuses either way.
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Post by dadofsam on Dec 24, 2013 11:38:14 GMT
Can you imagine the bulge in his trousers when they had to train on Monday WITHOUT THE BALL
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Post by slicko on Dec 24, 2013 12:09:25 GMT
Best of luck to Pulis in his transfer dealings. Hope he finishes just below us and keeps the Palace side up.
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 24, 2013 12:25:31 GMT
I caught the end of his interview on MOTD on Saturday and sure he was trawling out the usual, Newcastle are a big club, we can't compete ... blah blah blah.
Thing is he says this so much he probably starts to believe it and more importantly, so do his players
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 24, 2013 12:35:16 GMT
I still stand by my statement when he first got the job. I feel sorry for the palace fans. It won't be too long before they're sick of the sight or sound of him. If he keeps them up they'll be happy, like even the most hardened Pulis hates with what he did for us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 12:59:26 GMT
A new recruitment policy is only as good as the players it's bringing in and the value. It could be said that the jury is out at the moment. January is a big test for the 'transfer team'. Who've we signed so far as permanent signings? Is it only Pietersen for 3.5 million and Arnie for 2? Oh and Muniesa for free. Seems pretty good value to me... But I do appreciate some people seem to have problems with these 3 (a tad harsh considering they're all relatively young in a new league in my opinion)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 13:05:12 GMT
A new recruitment policy is only as good as the players it's bringing in and the value. It could be said that the jury is out at the moment. January is a big test for the 'transfer team'. Who've we signed so far as permanent signings? Is it only Pietersen for 3.5 million and Arnie for 2? Oh and Muniesa for free. Seems pretty good value to me... But I do appreciate some people seem to have problems with these 3 (a tad harsh considering they're all relatively young in a new league in my opinion) We've signed a South African batsman for £3.5M? I know Cartwright has contacts but still....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 13:38:29 GMT
I like to read about what TP is up to
I like to have the choice to open a post if I so wish
I understand some folk may think its repetitious but, they have a choice whether to click on the title or not.
Keep 'em coming I say
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Post by adi on Dec 24, 2013 13:50:16 GMT
Low key (comparatively) as the last window was, I would have though you could see the winds of change in terms of age and a much wider recruitment net? A move away from old school premier League players Harry thought were good ten years ago and had lived in the UK for a decade, minimum? I expect limited activity this window. Lets see if the summer consolidates a buy younger potential policy. I suppose we are getting value without getting bargains. Arnie and Eric look about worth what we paid for them and not a penny more, which is OK but not really exciting. I honestly did expect some 'hidden gems' as much as they exist in the modern age. I'm yet to be convinced of any revolution in our recruitment but as it increasingly looks like we may be safe this year, I'd say this summer is the acid test. In August this needs to be a Hughes team and between him Cartwright, Scholes and Coates they have to deliver this. A player who is young and has featured in teams like Inter Milan for £2m sounds a bargain. And Pieters is a Dutch international and a proper LB for £3.5 m looks a bargain too. Admittedly Arnie looks to be taking a while to fit in but he Maury come good sooner than later and if not then we would make more than his transfer fee back no doubt.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 24, 2013 14:07:27 GMT
I still can't get my head round why we have to have Pulis threads being started (what seems like) every day, on this board. When Hughes moves on will we just have Hughes threads, Pulis threads or Hughes AND Pulis threads? And why don't we have Quitters threads or Gudjon threads every day? To be fair we had loads of Quiter threads initially but he isn't a manager at the moment so not in the public domain. I don't get why people are so against talking about Pulis. He has played a massive part in our history. I am certainly interested in what he has to say and how he does. Let's not forget it wasn't a usual sacking by this clubs standards Paddlers what a premiership ponce you have become if you think Quitter isn't a manager anymore. To the rimmers that don't want to see any more Pulis threads, it ain't going to happen. Of course there will be massive interest amongst our support in how he does and how he is perceived by his new club's fans. If you don't want to read about it, don't. If you want to tell the rest of the message board what they should and should not be posting about go stick your pompous head up your arse, sideways. BM
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 24, 2013 14:10:12 GMT
I wonder why Hughes gets away with no criticism when he talks shit? In his post match against Hull when he said 'we controlled every aspect of the match' I spat my beer out and expected to see his ludicrous comments dissected by the usual suspects on here but there was nothing. Wonder why? Fair point. I like what Hughes is doing but he does talk a fair bit of shit. I thought Hull probably edged it if anything.
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Post by padders01 on Dec 24, 2013 14:11:50 GMT
To be fair we had loads of Quiter threads initially but he isn't a manager at the moment so not in the public domain. I don't get why people are so against talking about Pulis. He has played a massive part in our history. I am certainly interested in what he has to say and how he does. Let's not forget it wasn't a usual sacking by this clubs standards Paddlers what a premiership ponce you have become if you think Quitter isn't a manager anymore. To the rimmers that don't want to see any more Pulis threads, it ain't going to happen. Of course there will be massive interest amongst our support in how he does and how he is perceived by his new club's fans. If you don't want to read about it, don't. If you want to tell the rest of the message board what they should and should not be posting about go stick your pompous head up your arse, sideways. BM I'll be honest, a very disapponted with myself that I forget! My general football knowledge is usually very good (sounds big headed that, sorry)
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 24, 2013 14:46:40 GMT
I think it's important that people are reminded what sort of a bloke he is. As I've said he's a walking contradiction, the reason he thinks he gets away with it all is because he thinks people are as thick as he is.
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 24, 2013 17:58:44 GMT
Is it possible that, given his two years of transfer failure in his final seasons with Stoke, that he's re-evaluated his transfer strategy? I know it's fairly popular to tow the 'Pulis doesn't know how to change' line, but he does. He wouldn't have survived in the Premiership for so long if he didn't. Only time will tell I guess. I take it you don't include Bego and Cameron in his failures
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 24, 2013 18:13:12 GMT
Uh oh.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 24, 2013 18:41:02 GMT
Does anyone think this board will ever get pat Pulis?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 24, 2013 18:50:20 GMT
Does anyone think this board will ever get pat Pulis? His Irish brother? He works arrd, so he does.
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