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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 2, 2013 8:20:05 GMT
Sunderland, Palace, West Ham and now Fulham have all recently stated they have to buy in the Jan window to stay up
Meanwhile, old Sparky sounds at tad more downbeat/realistic/strapped for cash
But Hughes remains far from optimistic about landing the right players in the January transfer window after warning: "We are very early in what we are trying to do, and the January window is historically very difficult. We have to invest in first 11 players, and they may not be available."
A lot of bakers chasing the same shiny buns by the looks of it = inflated prices
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Post by stokeramblers on Dec 2, 2013 8:33:21 GMT
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Post by adamsson on Dec 2, 2013 8:36:02 GMT
Given the new much tighter budget we need to look at league 1 players and minor foreign players who MAY be able to step up to the Premiership.
We have to think ahead do we really want to be going into the 2014/2015 season with Crouch as our main striker?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Dec 2, 2013 8:39:10 GMT
Mark and his team will be very well supported financially in January.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Dec 2, 2013 8:52:06 GMT
Mark and his team will be very well supported financially in January. I bloody hope so. If the display against Everton becomes more norm than exception we are really going to be in trouble. Plus with the Agudelo deal falling through we need to step it up pronto. |
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Post by jeycov on Dec 2, 2013 9:01:44 GMT
2nd December
Cyber Monday TODAY - Christmas shoppers will start at £10bn online spending spree
There are set to be a record 113 million visits to shopping sites in 24 hours – spurred by price cuts of up to 60%
Can we buy (and sell") players online?
Not in time for Christmas maybe, but hopefully some orders are in for the NewYear
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 2, 2013 9:13:31 GMT
Sunderland, Palace, West Ham and now Fulham have all recently stated they have to buy in the Jan window to stay up Meanwhile, old Sparky sounds at tad more downbeat/realistic/strapped for cash But Hughes remains far from optimistic about landing the right players in the January transfer window after warning: "We are very early in what we are trying to do, and the January window is historically very difficult. We have to invest in first 11 players, and they may not be available." A lot of bakers chasing the same shiny buns by the looks of it = inflated prices All the gossip, hints etc. ,the reliability of which 'maybe' dubious, point to the Jan transfer window being as disappointing as the summer one. Last night on 'The Sunday Sports Show', 'our Ange' suggested we would have only two incomings, one of which could be a championship forward? Well, Jordan Rhodes would cost £8m! We're short of one quality CH, one quality defensive CM, and if KJ goes two quality forwards. Hughes now is backtracking realising the money for the four quality players he needs ca. 4*£8m= £32m isn't going to be there! Just think as an economy measure, 'the family', supposedly vetoed our previous manager's wish to bring in Redmond and Davies as part of the Butland deal! Davies, man of the match yesterday and a solid stand in for Huth (who may miss 6 weeks of football i.e. 8-10 matches) and Redmond an ideal replacement for Ethers! And this deal was with a club on the verge of bankruptcy with both players going for a song! But, all this was predictable when the last Jan transfer window was a disaster! Countless fans on here said not spending in the summer would cost us in the long run and that looks increasingly likely and the penalty severe! |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 2, 2013 9:13:34 GMT
There should be no shortage of cash to buy with the tv money they get. What's needed is to get rid of the dross like Jones, Whelan, Palacios Ethers etc.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 2, 2013 9:17:38 GMT
2nd December Cyber Monday TODAY - Christmas shoppers will start at £10bn online spending spree There are set to be a record 113 million visits to shopping sites in 24 hours – spurred by price cuts of up to 60% Can we buy (and sell") players online? Not in time for Christmas maybe, but hopefully some orders are in for the NewYear We could try e(thers)bay  |
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Post by jeycov on Dec 2, 2013 9:19:06 GMT
Sunderland, Palace, West Ham and now Fulham have all recently stated they have to buy in the Jan window to stay up Meanwhile, old Sparky sounds at tad more downbeat/realistic/strapped for cash But Hughes remains far from optimistic about landing the right players in the January transfer window after warning: "We are very early in what we are trying to do, and the January window is historically very difficult. We have to invest in first 11 players, and they may not be available." A lot of bakers chasing the same shiny buns by the looks of it = inflated prices All the gossip, hints etc. ,the reliability of which 'maybe' dubious, point to the Jan transfer window being as disappointing as the summer one. Last night on 'The Sunday Sports Show', 'our Ange' suggested we would have only two incomings, one of which could be a championship forward? Well, Jordan Rhodes would cost £8m! We're short of one quality CH, one quality defensive CM, and if KJ goes two quality forwards. Hughes now is backtracking realising the money for the four quality players he needs ca. 4*£8m= £32m isn't going to be there! Just think as an economy measure, 'the family', supposedly vetoed our previous manager's wish to bring in Redmond and Davies as part of the Butland deal! Davies, man of the match yesterday and a solid stand in for Huth (who may miss 6 weeks of football i.e. 8-10 matches) and Redmond an ideal replacement for Ethers! And this deal was with a club on the verge of bankruptcy with both players going for a song! But, all this was predictable when the last Jan transfer window was a disaster! Countless fans on here said not spending in the summer would cost us in the long run and that looks increasingly likely and severe! Good point re number of matches Huth will miss, even if the surgery was not too complex. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, the weeks around the international break would have been less disruptive. We have to get on with it, the situation might just push the button to make a greater investment in January. It appears that demand for players will result in higher prices - the price of staying in the Premiership has to be the priority. |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 2, 2013 9:25:28 GMT
All the gossip, hints etc. ,the reliability of which 'maybe' dubious, point to the Jan transfer window being as disappointing as the summer one. Last night on 'The Sunday Sports Show', 'our Ange' suggested we would have only two incomings, one of which could be a championship forward? Well, Jordan Rhodes would cost £8m! We're short of one quality CH, one quality defensive CM, and if KJ goes two quality forwards. Hughes now is backtracking realising the money for the four quality players he needs ca. 4*£8m= £32m isn't going to be there! Just think as an economy measure, 'the family', supposedly vetoed our previous manager's wish to bring in Redmond and Davies as part of the Butland deal! Davies, man of the match yesterday and a solid stand in for Huth (who may miss 6 weeks of football i.e. 8-10 matches) and Redmond an ideal replacement for Ethers! And this deal was with a club on the verge of bankruptcy with both players going for a song! Our wonderful medics again. You know, the ones who said Ba wasn't fit,ooer he scored again yesterday! But, all this was predictable when the last Jan transfer window was a disaster! Countless fans on here said not spending in the summer would cost us in the long run and that looks increasingly likely and severe! Good point re number of matches Huth will miss, even if the surgery was not too complex. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, the weeks around the international break would have been less disruptive. We have to get on with it, the situation might just push the button to make a greater investment in January. It appears that demand for players will result in higher prices - the price of staying in the Premiership has to be the priority. It's all down to our wonderful medics, you know, the ones who said Ba wasn't fit.Oh er he scored again yesterday! |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 2, 2013 9:31:08 GMT
All the gossip, hints etc. ,the reliability of which 'maybe' dubious, point to the Jan transfer window being as disappointing as the summer one. Last night on 'The Sunday Sports Show', 'our Ange' suggested we would have only two incomings, one of which could be a championship forward? Well, Jordan Rhodes would cost £8m! We're short of one quality CH, one quality defensive CM, and if KJ goes two quality forwards. Hughes now is backtracking realising the money for the four quality players he needs ca. 4*£8m= £32m isn't going to be there! Just think as an economy measure, 'the family', supposedly vetoed our previous manager's wish to bring in Redmond and Davies as part of the Butland deal! Davies, man of the match yesterday and a solid stand in for Huth (who may miss 6 weeks of football i.e. 8-10 matches) and Redmond an ideal replacement for Ethers! And this deal was with a club on the verge of bankruptcy with both players going for a song! But, all this was predictable when the last Jan transfer window was a disaster! Countless fans on here said not spending in the summer would cost us in the long run and that looks increasingly likely and severe! Good point re number of matches Huth will miss, even if the surgery was not too complex. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, the weeks around the international break would have been less disruptive. We have to get on with it, the situation might just push the button to make a greater investment in January. It appears that demand for players will result in higher prices - the price of staying in the Premiership has to be the priority. With respect 'jeycov', you don't need hindsight to know that your 2 CHs will suffer suspensions and injuries plus totally unforeseen events such as the bubonic plague.With five FBs but no third CH, 4 players in the hole for one position and 6 wingers but no goalscorer even the Hem Heath village idiot would deduce this serious team imbalance would be at the root of our problems. You don't need hindsight? What's MH say? "I bought Arnautovic because I couldn't get a striker" or words to that effect! OMG! |
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Post by superscfc on Dec 2, 2013 11:48:36 GMT
If we don't spend £15-£20 million in January I'm afraid we're going down.
A CB £2-£5m
A CM £4-£8m
A ST anything up to £10m
Targets I'd look at..
Lescott (Cheap option but high wages)
Mulgrew (Versatile defender, can play centre, left or midfield. Celtic out of Champions League, Prem could tempt him)
Hanley (Promising youngster, already a regular for Scotland at 22 and not far off 100 games for Blackburn)
I'm struggling for a midfielder who could be available.
Dempsey (Short loan, not sure if he'd come to the potteries)
Allen (Not a LFC player for me, would be a good addition for us)
Ness (If he can get fit will be a new signing)
Maybe look at the foreign market for a solid CM, could pick someone up in Spain cheap.
Striker
Diouf (Worth another look)
Rhodes (Big risk but so is going without a new striker, wouldn't be cheap)
Again foreign market could be worth a look at, any english club will rip us off
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Post by adamsson on Dec 2, 2013 11:53:07 GMT
If we don't spend £15-£20 million in January I'm afraid we're going down. A CB £2-£5m A CM £4-£8m A ST anything up to £10m Targets I'd look at.. Lescott (Cheap option but high wages) Mulgrew (Versatile defender, can play centre, left or midfield. Celtic out of Champions League, Prem could tempt him) Hanley (Promising youngster, already a regular for Scotland at 22 and not far off 100 games for Blackburn) I'm struggling for a midfielder who could be available. Dempsey (Short loan, not sure if he'd come to the potteries) Allen (Not a LFC player for me, would be a good addition for us) Ness (If he can get fit will be a new signing) Maybe look at the foreign market for a solid CM, could pick someone up in Spain cheap. Striker Diouf (Worth another look) Rhodes (Big risk but so is going without a new striker, wouldn't be cheap) Again foreign market could be worth a look at, any english club will rip us off Then down we shall go because the budgets is nowhere near £20 million |
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Post by superscfc on Dec 2, 2013 11:57:41 GMT
If we don't spend £15-£20 million in January I'm afraid we're going down. A CB £2-£5m A CM £4-£8m A ST anything up to £10m Targets I'd look at.. Lescott (Cheap option but high wages) Mulgrew (Versatile defender, can play centre, left or midfield. Celtic out of Champions League, Prem could tempt him) Hanley (Promising youngster, already a regular for Scotland at 22 and not far off 100 games for Blackburn) I'm struggling for a midfielder who could be available. Dempsey (Short loan, not sure if he'd come to the potteries) Allen (Not a LFC player for me, would be a good addition for us) Ness (If he can get fit will be a new signing) Maybe look at the foreign market for a solid CM, could pick someone up in Spain cheap. Striker Diouf (Worth another look) Rhodes (Big risk but so is going without a new striker, wouldn't be cheap) Again foreign market could be worth a look at, any english club will rip us off Then down we shall go because the budgets is nowhere near £20 million ` If we play our cards right (which we never do) we could shift some out to make extra funds and get someone cheap in Spain, so many teams are broke over there now. I think Kenwyne will be able to go for a small price. Get Ethers out to Palace & 1 or 2 more it frees up the wage bill. We need to spend end of, we can't just hope our form will improve with the current group |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 12:09:11 GMT
Mark and his team will be very well supported financially in January. That is pure speculation and besides he needed to be very well supported when he started and he wasn't , now we are in a real battle for survival. Classic "do it on the cheap" mentality. not a see what we need Mark but see how little we can get away with spending Mark. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 2, 2013 12:11:02 GMT
If we don't spend £15-£20 million in January I'm afraid we're going down. A CB £2-£5m A CM £4-£8m A ST anything up to £10m Targets I'd look at.. Lescott (Cheap option but high wages) Mulgrew (Versatile defender, can play centre, left or midfield. Celtic out of Champions League, Prem could tempt him) Hanley (Promising youngster, already a regular for Scotland at 22 and not far off 100 games for Blackburn) I'm struggling for a midfielder who could be available. Dempsey (Short loan, not sure if he'd come to the potteries) Allen (Not a LFC player for me, would be a good addition for us) Ness (If he can get fit will be a new signing) Maybe look at the foreign market for a solid CM, could pick someone up in Spain cheap. Striker Diouf (Worth another look) Rhodes (Big risk but so is going without a new striker, wouldn't be cheap) Again foreign market could be worth a look at, any english club will rip us off Broadly, I agree with this. Surely, bet365 aren't that strapped for cash? After receiving £35m in loan cash back can't they re-loan ca. £20m back to the club? Where's the Rev. Flowers when you need him to explain good, correct loan procedures? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 12:23:48 GMT
There should be no shortage of cash to buy with the tv money they get. What's needed is to get rid of the dross like Jones, Whelan, Palacios Ethers etc. therein lies the problem Bexhill. I've suggested before that any players who are dead weight and clogging up salaries could just be paid up for the rest of their contract. Might cost us a few million to get rid of them and it is rather drastic, but i'd rather we did that and gave us the chance to get some more in than trying to see it through with a whimper. It's no one persons fault that we are where we are, but its not fair to expect MH to work miracles if he's not given the backing he needs and deserves |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 12:30:06 GMT
The Coates family have no absolute responsibility to keep pumping in mega-millions of their money. You could argue that given the amount of money that the club has earned by being in the Prem, then the Coates' input has been modest, I don't know the answer to that.
During Pulis' reign, we were running the risk that if we didn't spend wisely when the wallet was opened wide, then when the drawbridge got pulled up, and it was always going to be (self-sufficient springs to mind), we'd be left with exactly what we have now - a large collection of expensive players, many of whom wouldn't get another Premier League move if we sold them in Jan.
Hughes is now tasked with fixing the problem on what is looking like a tight budget.
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Post by superscfc on Dec 2, 2013 12:46:48 GMT
If we don't spend £15-£20 million in January I'm afraid we're going down. A CB £2-£5m A CM £4-£8m A ST anything up to £10m Targets I'd look at.. Lescott (Cheap option but high wages) Mulgrew (Versatile defender, can play centre, left or midfield. Celtic out of Champions League, Prem could tempt him) Hanley (Promising youngster, already a regular for Scotland at 22 and not far off 100 games for Blackburn) I'm struggling for a midfielder who could be available. Dempsey (Short loan, not sure if he'd come to the potteries) Allen (Not a LFC player for me, would be a good addition for us) Ness (If he can get fit will be a new signing) Maybe look at the foreign market for a solid CM, could pick someone up in Spain cheap. Striker Diouf (Worth another look) Rhodes (Big risk but so is going without a new striker, wouldn't be cheap) Again foreign market could be worth a look at, any english club will rip us off Broadly, I agree with this. Surely, bet365 aren't that strapped for cash? After receiving £35m in loan cash back can't they re-loan ca. £20m back to the club? Where's the Rev. Flowers when you need him to explain good, correct loan procedures? I was thinking this myself. At the end of the day we MUST spend, we can't loan anyone domestically and I don't think players get picked up on free's in January. I'd look at Hanley as no 1 target for defence. God knows what to do about the rest of them |
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Post by kettle2013 on Dec 2, 2013 12:53:33 GMT
I still don't know why we don't go for mcgeady! Not playing in Moscow and could get him for 6-8m. He would be an excellent signing.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Dec 2, 2013 12:54:37 GMT
I don't think wages are the real issue, by the way if anyone wants to know which German player was here last week it was Sydney Sam, doubt he will come though. |
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Post by MuddyWoody on Dec 2, 2013 13:13:43 GMT
Personally I think Muniesa could be a solution to the DM problem and let Wilson deputize at CH while Huth is out. Still leaves us needing a striker or 2 and with a lot of dead wood to shift. I'd like to see Shane Long here but we may have quite a bit of competition.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 2, 2013 13:14:19 GMT
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 2, 2013 13:28:46 GMT
Hughes was tasked with bringing a total change of style to Stoke BUT it seems he wasn't given any cash to bring in the players needed to achieve this. He was therefore left with a team built by a manager with a totally different mind-set and not only that but a team that was starting to look decidedly threadbare even though it had cost a fortune to assemble.Pulis did a remarkably good job for us for many seasons but for at least the last season the rot had well and truly set in and this was partly ( or even strongly ) to do with poor purchases in the previous seasons when a very very good budget was made available to him, in my opinion. On that front we have a lot to thank him for but also alot to feel negative about given the squad strength we now have.
Whether Hughes vision of our progress is the right one is still very much in the balance, I'm not sure that it is a good idea or even indeed possible to try to turn a TP assembled squad into a Spain like passing team, tbh.
Interesting times hopefully we'll get through the season and we can move onto to the next phase for the club...time will tell I guess
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Post by Bombus on Dec 2, 2013 13:43:01 GMT
Mark and his team will be very well supported financially in January. Good logical thinking there, mate! |
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Post by superscfc on Dec 2, 2013 14:15:44 GMT
I still don't know why we don't go for mcgeady! Not playing in Moscow and could get him for 6-8m. He would be an excellent signing. Good player but I think he had his best days at celtic. Who know's be a risk. why was he here? I rate him pretty high so I agree doubt he'd come, interesting though |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 14:21:19 GMT
2nd December Cyber Monday TODAY - Christmas shoppers will start at £10bn online spending spree There are set to be a record 113 million visits to shopping sites in 24 hours – spurred by price cuts of up to 60% Can we buy (and sell") players online? Not in time for Christmas maybe, but hopefully some orders are in for the NewYear as long as we don't use Argos.....with their policy of "If the exact product isn't in stock we'll replace it with something similar" we could end bidding for Defoe and getting a paperback copy of "Robinson Crusoe" instead! (see what i did there?  ) maybe we should start trying to shift some of our deadwood on ebay too? no reserve, just free if they're able to collect! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 14:23:00 GMT
Good point re number of matches Huth will miss, even if the surgery was not too complex. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, the weeks around the international break would have been less disruptive. We have to get on with it, the situation might just push the button to make a greater investment in January. It appears that demand for players will result in higher prices - the price of staying in the Premiership has to be the priority. It's all down to our wonderful medics, you know, the ones who said Ba wasn't fit.Oh er he scored again yesterday! was it our medics who also said he was unfit and couldn't get insurance for him at every other club he was touted to as well then? |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Dec 2, 2013 14:29:31 GMT
I still don't know why we don't go for mcgeady! Not playing in Moscow and could get him for 6-8m. He would be an excellent signing. Good player but I think he had his best days at celtic. Who know's be a risk. why was he here? I rate him pretty high so I agree doubt he'd come, interesting though No idea mate, he was in the country at the time when someone said it, thought he was happy where he was, heard he wants to play premiership football though, no disrespect to our club but I can think of a few teams who would want him, Aaron Hunt also hasn't signed a new contract & I just wonder if MH is interested, Arnie LW Hunt RW both played together would make more sense. |
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