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Post by cartman123 on Nov 30, 2013 0:38:16 GMT
I don't put words into anybody's mouths ....you obviously have a problem with your heritage and background .....I am a very avid reader ....but I don't read rubbish .....end of conversation So you just read what you want to believe then? Thought so. Bigot.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Nov 30, 2013 1:20:15 GMT
people get murdered on the streets of london every month mate of course its not right,this was either a government conspiracy or 2 deranged loons acting up on some twisted belief they had Of course they do ...but put things into perspective ...A government conspiracy ? Are you really serious about that ?....Deranged loons they may well have been .....are you suggesting that all the other perpetrators of terrorism are nothing more than deranged loons ? I think not ....there is a lot of forward and clever thinking that goes behind International Terrorism .....but perhaps you feel we are just as bad ? governments are owed by the corporations,you think corperations dont conspire ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 30, 2013 2:11:58 GMT
We need the death penalty for these bastards. They don't deserve to be in the country, throw them in the sea or something...get rid. Death penalty is revenge, not justice. And it doesn't deter crime anyway. Well said that man..makes it worse if anything.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 30, 2013 2:14:39 GMT
Could they be subject to trial for treason? If so, the death penalty could apply? You'd best try the Queen as well then for treason.. Am I right Frase?
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Post by britsabroad on Nov 30, 2013 2:52:39 GMT
this was either a government conspiracy And there we go.... deranged loons eh. seems to be plenty of them on this board with various agendas any time anything like this gets brought up. it really does not matter one jot what goes on overseas or in a war zone, these guys chopped a man up in broad daylight, in front of plenty of witnesses, on a london street. they've no place in british society, so they should be locked up for the rest of their lives.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 30, 2013 3:32:03 GMT
Give them the pleasure of becoming martyrs??
I think not.
Executing them would not bring Lee Rigby back, it would only serve generate more radicals and possibly create more of these vile incidents.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Nov 30, 2013 4:02:39 GMT
"it really does not matter one jot what goes on overseas or in a war zone"
dont you see if thats your attitude ever likely you have so called terrorism on the streets
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 4:28:02 GMT
This world just feels like it's falling apart at times. I'm afraid we reap what we sow and I can't think of a single good reason for the US or the British military to be out in the Middle East using Apache gunships to annhililate crowds of innocent people or sending drones in to Pakistan to destroy entire neighbourhods. This to me is madness that goes way beyond anything that two radicalised Muslims could ever achieve. God only knows what those two went through in order to take such desparate action on UK soil. Our own actions created this situation, why is that so hard to see?
Aggressive military strikes against our fellow men can only result in consequences that will come back to haunt our children and our grandchildren. What happened to Lee Rigby is unforgivable, but nobody should be at all surprised. Yet through our current military engagements we continue to spread hatred and violence which only radicalises huge numbers of ordinary foreign nationals. If somebody can explain just what it is that we, or anyone else is gaining from all this insanity, then i'd like to hear it.
If it continues, which it looks like it will, I really can see a day in our future when the British Muslim community finally snaps, and we'll have something approaching a civil war on our hands in many of our cities. It's that serious.
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 30, 2013 7:11:43 GMT
I'm not usually in favour of the death penalty, but I don't want this country paying to keep these 2 locked up for the rest of their life.
Death really is the only way for truly horrendous crimes such as this. I have no problem with people such as Ian Huntley and that bloke who murdered April Jones being killed. Or Jimmy Savile if he was still alive.
Incidentally, if they've pleaded not guilty then there must be a defence. How can they begin to defend their actions?
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Post by underdog on Nov 30, 2013 7:32:17 GMT
Could they be subject to trial for treason? If so, the death penalty could apply? You'd best try the Queen as well then for treason.. Am I right Frase? You've lost me there youth...
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 30, 2013 8:07:04 GMT
You'd best try the Queen as well then for treason.. Am I right Frase? You've lost me there youth... I'm guessing it's got something to do with "her" governments selling us out to Europe.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2013 8:23:09 GMT
This world just feels like it's falling apart at times. I'm afraid we reap what we sow and I can't think of a single good reason for the US or the British military to be out in the Middle East using Apache gunships to annhililate crowds of innocent people or sending drones in to Pakistan to destroy entire neighbourhods. This to me is madness that goes way beyond anything that two radicalised Muslims could ever achieve. God only knows what those two went through in order to take such desparate action on UK soil. Our own actions created this situation, why is that so hard to see? Aggressive military strikes against our fellow men can only result in consequences that will come back to haunt our children and our grandchildren. What happened to Lee Rigby is unforgivable, but nobody should be at all surprised. Yet through our current military engagements we continue to spread hatred and violence which only radicalises huge numbers of ordinary foreign nationals. If somebody can explain just what it is that we, or anyone else is gaining from all this insanity, then i'd like to hear it. If it continues, which it looks like it will, I really can see a day in our future when the British Muslim community finally snaps, and we'll have something approaching a civil war on our hands in many of our cities. It's that serious. Totally agree ************** , this act was no more barbaric than the ones we see on the Internet of American gunships using Gatling guns on unarmed civilians . The fact that it played out in the worlds Press and was on an English street is the issue . Lee rugby was a decent young man who didnt deserve this fate . That scenario has played out many more times in Iraq and afganistan
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 30, 2013 8:31:36 GMT
I'm not usually in favour of the death penalty, but I don't want this country paying to keep these 2 locked up for the rest of their life. Death really is the only way for truly horrendous crimes such as this. I have no problem with people such as Ian Huntley and that bloke who murdered April Jones being killed. Or Jimmy Savile if he was still alive. Incidentally, if they've pleaded not guilty then there must be a defence. How can they begin to defend their actions? Guessing their defence will be "revenge for the British killing of innocent Muslims" and "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a tooth" religious doctrine that is applied literally by some Islamic factions. What some are implying on here is that it is understandable and even acceptable for a member or supporter of a foreign state or faction, that is in conflict with UK, to come to our cities and commit horrendous atrocities in the name of revenge. Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 8:50:40 GMT
I wonder what the reaction would have been like if an Argentinian mad man would have committed this kind if crime on our streets,back in 82? The fact that people of this country seem to have sympathy for these two parasites actions,is disgusting beyond belief and just goes to show that this country and everything it's ever stood for has been lost for ever Personally,I would have no problem seeing these two bastards get what they deserve in the most horrific manner possible.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2013 8:53:15 GMT
I'm not usually in favour of the death penalty, but I don't want this country paying to keep these 2 locked up for the rest of their life. Death really is the only way for truly horrendous crimes such as this. I have no problem with people such as Ian Huntley and that bloke who murdered April Jones being killed. Or Jimmy Savile if he was still alive. Incidentally, if they've pleaded not guilty then there must be a defence. How can they begin to defend their actions? Guessing their defence will be "revenge for the British killing of innocent Muslims" and "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a tooth" religious doctrine that is applied literally by some Islamic factions. What some are implying on here is that it is understandable and even acceptable for a member or supporter of a foreign state or faction, that is in conflict with UK, to come to our cities and commit horrendous atrocities in the name of revenge. Brilliant. Not suggesting either les just trying to understand the mindset of these people and how they have been radicalised in the the way they have . The conduct of the Americans and the way in which they commit acts of indiscriminate slaughter will always play into the hands of the extremist Muslims . It's very easy to believe that a British life taken on a London street is worth more than a life taken in Kabul or Baghdad . The allies treat these people as less than human and this will always have consequences
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 10:22:31 GMT
No different to this: And yet no one was charged for the above. So you tell me what justice is. , once again you are showing your tree hugging yoghurt knitting tendencies here. Let me tell you the difference...That clip was in the theatre of war, not that you would even begin to appreciate that, and yes, whilst unlawful, it was in a heated adrenalin filled environment. Quite how you can compare this, to them evil twats brutally butchering an innocent man on a normal summers day is beyond me.You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 10:36:56 GMT
No different to this: And yet no one was charged for the above. So you tell me what justice is. , once again you are showing your tree hugging yoghurt knitting tendencies here. Let me tell you the difference...That clip was in the theatre of war, not that you would even begin to appreciate that, and yes, whilst unlawful, it was in a heated adrenalin filled environment. Quite how you can compare this, to them evil twats brutally butchering an innocent man on a normal summers day is beyond me.You should be ashamed of yourself. Are you serious. A helicopter gunned down 15-20 unarmed civilians including 2 children. The children were killed when people were trying to help the injured. That is just as barbaric as what happened to Lee Rigby. To justify this as being in the theatre of war is frankly ridiculous. Both acts are as barbaric as each other. I would go as far to say that the killing of Lee Rigby has a lot to do with the lack of punishment and government protection of individuals guilty of unlawful killings in the streets of other countries. I don't justify either but to say one is worse than the other is plainly idiotic.
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 30, 2013 16:29:00 GMT
Guessing their defence will be "revenge for the British killing of innocent Muslims" and "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a tooth" religious doctrine that is applied literally by some Islamic factions. What some are implying on here is that it is understandable and even acceptable for a member or supporter of a foreign state or faction, that is in conflict with UK, to come to our cities and commit horrendous atrocities in the name of revenge. Brilliant. Not suggesting either les just trying to understand the mindset of these people and how they have been radicalised in the the way they have . The conduct of the Americans and the way in which they commit acts of indiscriminate slaughter will always play into the hands of the extremist Muslims . It's very easy to believe that a British life taken on a London street is worth more than a life taken in Kabul or Baghdad . The allies treat these people as less than human and this will always have consequences I hope the Americans & Brits in Afghanistan don't go around murdering Afghan soldiers in cold blood & in a horrific fashion. If they do then I have no problem with them being subject to the full force of the law as well.
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Post by cartman123 on Nov 30, 2013 16:59:13 GMT
In the video one says "well shouldn't have brought your children to a war zone". No you bastard you brought the war to them. I fucking hate America.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2013 17:11:06 GMT
Not suggesting either les just trying to understand the mindset of these people and how they have been radicalised in the the way they have . The conduct of the Americans and the way in which they commit acts of indiscriminate slaughter will always play into the hands of the extremist Muslims . It's very easy to believe that a British life taken on a London street is worth more than a life taken in Kabul or Baghdad . The allies treat these people as less than human and this will always have consequences I hope the Americans & Brits in Afghanistan don't go around murdering Afghan soldiers in cold blood & in a horrific fashion. If they do then I have no problem with them being subject to the full force of the law as well. How about innocent civilians ? Don't forget Rumsfeld and his " shock& awe policy when he bombed Baghdad . Just because you don't see crazy people with blood dripping from there hands , doesn't make it less barbaric
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Post by paulinespens on Nov 30, 2013 19:11:33 GMT
I think the punishment for those two bastards should be to stick em in the barracks where all Lee's pals are. A couple of hot pokers and a few gallon a vinegar. Oh and a bag of chopped ghost chillies,now them buggers can hurt if put in the right places
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 19:53:01 GMT
We need the death penalty for these bastards. They don't deserve to be in the country, throw them in the sea or something...get rid. Death penalty is revenge, not justice. And it doesn't deter crime anyway. But the death penalty does deter them from doing it again
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 19:59:14 GMT
, once again you are showing your tree hugging yoghurt knitting tendencies here. Let me tell you the difference...That clip was in the theatre of war, not that you would even begin to appreciate that, and yes, whilst unlawful, it was in a heated adrenalin filled environment. Quite how you can compare this, to them evil twats brutally butchering an innocent man on a normal summers day is beyond me.You should be ashamed of yourself. Are you serious. A helicopter gunned down 15-20 unarmed civilians including 2 children. The children were killed when people were trying to help the injured. That is just as barbaric as what happened to Lee Rigby. To justify this as being in the theatre of war is frankly ridiculous. Both acts are as barbaric as each other. I would go as far to say that the killing of Lee Rigby has a lot to do with the lack of punishment and government protection of individuals guilty of unlawful killings in the streets of other countries. I don't justify either but to say one is worse than the other is plainly idiotic. The van driver - hey kids, I'm going to pick up a guy that's just been shot to pieces by an apache helicopter ...that the helicopter there hovering over the bodies.....you fancy coming for a laugh?
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 30, 2013 19:59:16 GMT
It only makes them martyrs really if there's a public ceremony involved? Sod em off somewhere quiet and give em a needle.
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Post by cartman123 on Nov 30, 2013 20:04:34 GMT
When will people learn, you cannot impose democracy on a foreign country. America are scum of the highest order. Pretend they're all moral and a just nation but the reality is they're worst than the taliban.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 0:09:59 GMT
The wankers should have been shot at the scene!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 0:33:50 GMT
I don't put words into anybody's mouths ....you obviously have a problem with your heritage and background .....I am a very avid reader ....but I don't read rubbish .....end of conversation So you just read what you want to believe then? Thought so. Bigot. I'm a bigot because I have a different point of view than your twisted one am I ? The usual name calling appears again ......I said I didn't read Rubbish ....which is mostly what you post on here ....I'm no more a bigot than you with you're anti American garbage .....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 0:57:43 GMT
Guessing their defence will be "revenge for the British killing of innocent Muslims" and "Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a tooth" religious doctrine that is applied literally by some Islamic factions. What some are implying on here is that it is understandable and even acceptable for a member or supporter of a foreign state or faction, that is in conflict with UK, to come to our cities and commit horrendous atrocities in the name of revenge. Brilliant. Not suggesting either les just trying to understand the mindset of these people and how they have been radicalised in the the way they have . The conduct of the Americans and the way in which they commit acts of indiscriminate slaughter will always play into the hands of the extremist Muslims . It's very easy to believe that a British life taken on a London street is worth more than a life taken in Kabul or Baghdad . The allies treat these people as less than human and this will always have consequences It's less than human to fly hijacked airliners into high rise buildings and kill hundreds of people .....does that go down as indiscriminate slaughter as well Harry ? ....they have been radicalised because they commit radical acts ......remember the slaughter in Mumbai a year or two back ....when these "radicals " targeted a hotel and coach that was connected with a cricket match ...
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Dec 1, 2013 1:31:54 GMT
Cartman supports the terrorists acts because he believes that there are NATO acts, that are unacceptable. Therefore Lee Rigbys murder is justified because of mistakes by the British government. Then he says we shouldn't have capital punishment, I.e. no eye for an eye. Can you see the inconsistencies in cartmans logic? In the 60s the anti Vietnam war movement regarded the troops on the ground as victims, and targeted LBJ, Nixon et al as the real perpetrators. Our modern anti war movement (often middle class) ignores the government and promulgates hatred towards our (often working class) armed forces. Cartman also " hates America", so as well as hypocrisy he's also guilty of racial hatred, double hypocrisy! We have people on this forum boasting of fighting fascists, and have the nerve to slag off (anonymously) people who do real fighting to preserve their freedom and their middle class life style. Cartman my advice is (after the recent twitter scandals) to support terrorists on a public forum is seriously stupid. You offer no insight, no solutions, no analysis, no moderation, no attemp at consensus. Only in your words "hate".
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Dec 1, 2013 2:50:34 GMT
Cartman also " hates America",
hes not hating on the american people hes hating on the right wing Zionist neo-cons that are working for the corporations,theres a difference
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