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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 13:15:17 GMT
I don't think style was an issue for Coates. Hughes wasn't exactly renowned for his pretty football. Neither was Pulis, who he appointed twice. interesting re Hughes and Coates. fuck me, Coates must be scratching his head at what he's seeing then if he hasn't got evolution for solace I'd be surprised if Coates was under the impression that a new man would instantly come in and turn the team's fortunes around overnight to be honest.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 3, 2013 13:28:11 GMT
interesting re Hughes and Coates. fuck me, Coates must be scratching his head at what he's seeing then if he hasn't got evolution for solace I'd be surprised if Coates was under the impression that a new man would instantly come in and turn the team's fortunes around overnight to be honest. no doubt rob. but if, as you imply, he thought he was appointing another predominantly pragmatic manager to continue in a similar style, he must have at least one raised eyebrow and a bit of a sweat on
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 13:32:26 GMT
I guess we'll find out just how worried he is in January.
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Post by stokiekey on Nov 3, 2013 13:33:19 GMT
Some people need get a grip
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 3, 2013 16:30:07 GMT
Mark Hughes is a good manager, Stoke fans should be grateful Coates chose him, in my opinion. Good afternoon Geoffrey. You're right, Hughes is a good Manager. Most were crying out for a left back - we've got one. Most were crying out for more 'football' - we've got that. Most were crying out for more attacking intent (especially away from home) - we've got that. If we keep playing the way we are and creating chances the points will come. Hughes can re-shuffle his pack a little in January and we'll be better still. Patience is a virtue. It's going to be a bumpy ride but I'm not panicking, I'm not worried and I'm enjoying watch Stoke play (most of the time!). Mark Hughes took his time assessing the squad and giving players the opportunity to show their talent. The window closed before the final assesments could be made. This was the right way to set about it imo. He has kept a solid back four but experimented with styles, formations and players. By now I am sure he knows where the team needs strengthening. Hopefully this will be adressed in the next two windows without panic buys. Coates has said he wants value for money as we all do, he also has said money would be there for the right players. We are no worse off for points than we were last year. I have faith that we are moving in the right direction as quickly as we can.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 3, 2013 16:34:48 GMT
I am. Unlike TP who picked the same losing team all the 2nd half of last season, MH has tried different things and given plenty of players a chance to prove themselves in different positions, including TP's cast-offs. We are now trying to win, instead of just trying to stop the other team scoring. Some weak positions were filled during the transfer window and so far I think the new faces have generally justified the investment unlike many previous purchases. He failed to get a scoring striker, but who has - not many; there are numerous teams in a similar situation. You can only buy what is available, unless you want to risk the whole club's future like other teams have done and failed. We are 10 games in and not looking good, but I doubt anyone else would have done any better apart from a genius like Brian Clough (bet a few bite on that) who can put together a bunch of disparate individuals and beat the rest.
Hughes one failing, ironically, is that he can't get the team to score goals. I believe he will find the players necessary in January to mend the weaknesses in mid-field and at the front to turn the results around.
We should also remember that it isn't all just down to MH. He needs support from those around him both in terms of his management team finding better players (at the right price), improving fitness, technique, etc., and more importantly the players on the park. There are a number of individuals who's effort and performance does not come up to the level they are being paid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 18:17:17 GMT
I am. Unlike TP who picked the same losing team all the 2nd half of last season, MH has tried different things and given plenty of players a chance to prove themselves in different positions, including TP's cast-offs. We are now trying to win, instead of just trying to stop the other team scoring. Some weak positions were filled during the transfer window and so far I think the new faces have generally justified the investment unlike many previous purchases. He failed to get a scoring striker, but who has - not many; there are numerous teams in a similar situation. You can only buy what is available, unless you want to risk the whole club's future like other teams have done and failed. We are 10 games in and not looking good, but I doubt anyone else would have done any better apart from a genius like Brian Clough (bet a few bite on that) who can put together a bunch of disparate individuals and beat the rest. Hughes one failing, ironically, is that he can't get the team to score goals. I believe he will find the players necessary in January to mend the weaknesses in mid-field and at the front to turn the results around. We should also remember that it isn't all just down to MH. He needs support from those around him both in terms of his management team finding better players (at the right price), improving fitness, technique, etc., and more importantly the players on the park. There are a number of individuals who's effort and performance does not come up to the level they are being paid. some individuals are certainly below par, including the captain who is currently part of a very leaky defence and who should have easily put us 2-0 up yesterday. The key players need to step up
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Post by Davef on Nov 3, 2013 19:06:43 GMT
Very leaky defence? We've conceded 11 goals in 10 league games, which includes six in two games against Arsenal and Manchester United.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 19:09:49 GMT
Some ridiculous shyte spouted on this place at times.
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Post by travisio92 on Nov 3, 2013 19:13:10 GMT
I don't understand how these below par performances last season were unacceptable and the same grubby below par performances this season are acceptable.
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Post by Davef on Nov 3, 2013 19:16:55 GMT
I don't understand how these below par performances last season were unacceptable and the same grubby below par performances this season are acceptable. Well the only genuinely unacceptable performance from my point of view was Norwich, which to a man was virtually roundly criticised on here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 19:29:07 GMT
I don't understand how these below par performances last season were unacceptable and the same grubby below par performances this season are acceptable. 'Acceptable' isn't anything to do with it, the circumstances are nowhere near the same. New man trying to get new team to gel and work differently vs man who was failing to meet his own high standards, had spunked a lot of money away on players he didn't know what to do with, and under whom we were regressing for no good reason.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Nov 3, 2013 20:42:22 GMT
Considering the hand Hughes has been dealt yes! He has been given the job of completely changing the mindset of virtually an entire squad that has been drilled to play an ultra defensive system without being given the financial backing to correct our most obvious shortcoming. Did anyone honestly expect a new manager to come in and instantly reverse two years of regression on a shoestring budget? The style of play has improved and at least we now have a manager who sets out to win games instead of simply aiming to avoid defeat.
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Post by devondumpling on Nov 3, 2013 20:59:22 GMT
I think this season the Europa league is more important to Laudrup than the Premier league, It seems the 9th place finish of last year is about as good as he thinks we can do he has basically come out and said as much with some of his comments with regards to leagues within a league and budgets etc. A good run in Europe will probably do more for his CV going forward than finishing about the same position in the league and maybe hes thinking of his next job?? I'm probably talking b%#%oks and just pissed of after today but somethings not quite right at the moment, we seem to have lost our work ethic and intensity of the last few seasons which has been as important too us as our passing game has. The players have to shoulder a lot of the blame some of them appear to think they are better than they are and dont have to do the dirty stuff anymore and thats a mental attitude and that comes from the top, if Laudrup's lost his mojo for the day to day bread and butter of the league maybe the players are picking up on it and its affecting the performance. Hugh's comments in the press this week make me think the board think we are under performing and I thought the timing was strange in the run up to a derby game but perhaps it was just designed as a kick up the ass for Laudrup and the team. Didn't seem to work though. Never mind onwards and upwards good result in Russia in the week and beat Stoke next week and I'll be telling myself we can win the Europa and finish top 6 again. What ever happens if Laudrup does go at the end of the season he'll still go down as one of if not the best manager we ever had, i just hope he goes out on a high. - See more at: www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/93367/page:1#sthash.R2H2f4QG.dpuf
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2013 21:26:06 GMT
I want it all.
And I want it now.
Or I'll........
.........SCWEAM AND SCWEAM AND SCWWWWWEEEEAAAAMMMMMM!!!!!!!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Nov 3, 2013 21:34:52 GMT
I don't understand how these below par performances last season were unacceptable and the same grubby below par performances this season are acceptable. Well the only genuinely unacceptable performance from my point of view was Norwich, which to a man was virtually roundly criticised on here. Brum - totally unacceptable- Crystal Palace 1st half shite, WBA & Southampton 2nd best. 45 mins at Arsenal & Man Utd had a go and played really well but lost due to poor defending from set pieces which I find astounding.
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Post by wembley1972 on Nov 3, 2013 22:11:20 GMT
I don't understand how these below par performances last season were unacceptable and the same grubby below par performances this season are acceptable. Well the only genuinely unacceptable performance from my point of view was Norwich, which to a man was virtually roundly criticised on here. I agree, after the performance against man city we all expected to beat Norwich and if we had we would be half way up the table. Some of the bollocks people are spouting on here are to be expected, some out of genuine concern others because they still think TP should be in charge. In my opinion MH has to be judged at the end of the season, our general play is better and if one of our strikers had been in form or one or two of the missed chances gone in we would be looking comfortable (fine margins can make a huge difference). We can't say MH is the messiah but whoever came in would be in the same position, trying to change the mind set of a team which has had defend and don't lose at whatever cost as the TP mantra for so long it's hardly surprising that the ride was going to bumpy. The team has been accused of not being as committed as in previous season, that's because we have brought in a couple of billy big balls into the squad who have changed the dynamics. Ones a sulky twat that strolls around thinking he's gods gift and the other that strolls around because he can't run. MH has benched the fat one and the other was taken to task on pitch on Saturday by one of his own team, which cost us a goal! Ten games in and I think MH must have seen enough now to start planning for the transfer window, I know it's not the best time to get the right players in but we have to have faith that things can only get better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 22:51:46 GMT
Very leaky defence? We've conceded 11 goals in 10 league games, which includes six in two games against Arsenal and Manchester United. In the last few games we've let the lead slip an astonishing six times. That is very concerning and shows we are weak at the back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 23:27:04 GMT
When Hughes came in, I was not very enthusiastic, but I said we should give him until the new year to sort things out. After the last few games I have reviewed this statement. I say if the Coates family want a football team in the premier league and can afford to pay him, and his team of QPR failures, off cut him lose now. If we stick with him we are going down to the championship and I do not believe he will be an effective manager at that level either. He has no passion for Stoke City Not very inspiring
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 23:32:34 GMT
When Hughes came in, I was not very enthusiastic, but I said we should give him until the new year to sort things out. After the last few games I have reviewed this statement. I say if the Coates family want a football team in the premier league and can afford to pay him, and his team of QPR failures, off cut him lose now. If we stick with him we are going down to the championship and I do not believe he will be an effective manager at that level either. He has no passion for Stoke City Not very inspiringSo if he stood there shouting 'come on' really really loud, that would make things different would it? Who would come in now and take this squad dramatically forwards in a short space of time?
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