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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Oct 31, 2013 14:58:24 GMT
I'm down on the Costa del Sol to check out whether it is Venus that is currently bright in the western sky for kidcrewbob. I noticed that I can see Gibraltar from my villa and I decided to do a but of reading about the rock, and I came across this little gem... Operation Algeciras |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 17:00:12 GMT
We should send another task force immediately  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 17:25:37 GMT
We should send Mumf the Cnut immediately Winkythingymumfy. |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 31, 2013 18:09:40 GMT
We should send Mumf the Cnut immediately Winkythingymumfy. F Kin cyber bullies  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 19:53:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 20:58:37 GMT
We should send another task force immediately Sadly not until we have re-built the fleet ....  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 31, 2013 21:10:49 GMT
The Argentines were very good at intelligence gathering probably due to the ongoing dispute with Chile. Although this expertise did not stretch to their regular military because of old, mainly outdated equipment and a conscripted men. I was on a frigate during this conflict and well remember the threat from clandestine attack whilst at anchor in Ascension Island where most of the task group were sorting out rapidly loaded logistics in UK to ensure it was on the right platforms. The threat came from an intelligence gathering Argentinian trawler that skulked around the anchorages and the risk that a commando unit may lay mines on hulls. However the trawler was kept at arms length by a system of having a "duty frigate" whose task it was to trail the trawler and posture it if it came too close. By posturing I mean radio contact giving verbal warnings of engagement which was allowed if a threat was made to the task force. The trawler eventually left with no more than information about task force size and composition. Ironically the spear head task group was well on its way to the Falklands when the trawler was gathering information so gathered intelligence was probably of little use in the early engagements of the conflict.
The British special forces were also engaged in subterfuge away from the Falklands. In particular taking "steps" to ensure that French Exocets, ordered by the Argentines to bolster their missile armoury, did not reach their destination.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2013 23:42:24 GMT
You should have blown seven shades of shit out of it!  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 6:56:10 GMT
We weren't allowed to do that as the MEZ only extended to 200 miles around the Falkland Islands at that time. Only much later, after hostilities started, did the MEZ extend to the whole South Atlantic. However later in the conflict we were dispatched to take out another spy trawler that was operating around Falkland Sound, the stretch of water between East and west Falklands. We were allowed to sink this vessel because rules of engagement had changed from attacking warships to attacking any vessel which posed a threat to the task force. We sunk it using a Sea Skua Missile from our Lynx Helicopter. Fortunately the crew of the trawler had already abandoned the vessel after they had seen our sleek grey messenger of death approaching and were seen making for West Falkland in a couple of RIBs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 7:21:01 GMT
I love this transcript of a conversation between an RAF pilot and Argentine Air Defence, overheard on VHF Guard 121.5 MHz during the Falklands War.
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence)
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 1, 2013 8:39:50 GMT
I love this transcript of a conversation between an RAF pilot and Argentine Air Defence, overheard on VHF Guard 121.5 MHz during the Falklands War.Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence) It might be humourous but it's also an urban myth, I've seen the same quote attributed to an exchange between iranian air defence and a Tornado. |
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Post by britsabroad on Nov 1, 2013 8:49:22 GMT
I love this transcript of a conversation between an RAF pilot and Argentine Air Defence, overheard on VHF Guard 121.5 MHz during the Falklands War.Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence) It might be humourous but it's also an urban myth, I've seen the same quote attributed to an exchange between iranian air defence and a Tornado. Yup. And a military aircraft would never identify itself so specifically. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 9:07:35 GMT
I love this transcript of a conversation between an RAF pilot and Argentine Air Defence, overheard on VHF Guard 121.5 MHz during the Falklands War.Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence) Great story. But Tornados were not used in Falklands War as they were only just becoming fully operational in 1982 and also we did not have the carrier capability to operate anything but the Harrier Jump Jet. So more likely the conversation would have occurred between Argies and Harrier Pilot. Incidentally during the conflict 5 Harriers were lost to enemy ground fire and none to Argie fighters. 4 were also lost in accidents. Argie aircraft casualties from air combat or ground fire was 45 losses including 29 fighters. They also lost 21 aircraft on the ground most of which occurred during famous SAS raid on Pebble Island. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 10:01:58 GMT
We weren't allowed to do that as the MEZ only extended to 200 miles around the Falkland Islands at that time. Only much later, after hostilities started, did the MEZ extend to the whole South Atlantic. However later in the conflict we were dispatched to take out another spy trawler that was operating around Falkland Sound, the stretch of water between East and west Falklands. We were allowed to sink this vessel because rules of engagement had changed from attacking warships to attacking any vessel which posed a threat to the task force. We sunk it using a Sea Skua Missile from our Lynx Helicopter. Fortunately the crew of the trawler had already abandoned the vessel after they had seen our sleek grey messenger of death approaching and were seen making for West Falkland in a couple of RIBs. LL you should write a book immediately ......and I would buy it |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:19:32 GMT
I love this transcript of a conversation between an RAF pilot and Argentine Air Defence, overheard on VHF Guard 121.5 MHz during the Falklands War.Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
RAF Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence) Great story. But Tornados were not used in Falklands War as they were only just becoming fully operational in 1982 and also we did not have the carrier capability to operate anything but the Harrier Jump Jet. So more likely the conversation would have occurred between Argies and Harrier Pilot. Incidentally during the conflict 5 Harriers were lost to enemy ground fire and none to Argie fighters. 4 were also lost in accidents. Argie aircraft casualties from air combat or ground fire was 45 losses including 29 fighters. They also lost 21 aircraft on the ground most of which occurred during famous SAS raid on Pebble Island. Sadly the S.A.S. Troop that carried out the raid on Pebble Island were later killed in the Sea King that ditched after the bird strike and it's commander Captain John Hamilton was killed in a fire fight with Argentinian troops that allowed his radio operator to escape capture , for which he was awarded the MC |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:32:47 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Oh, and Follow You Down, why don't you PM Sal to get her to change your name to something more appropriate? It's between "depressing c**t or "pain in the arse". What do you think? I prefer "depressing c**t". Call me a bit daft, but i'm one of those people that is in awe of our veterans. They sign up to put their own lives on the line. |
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Post by britsabroad on Nov 1, 2013 11:46:57 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Afraid not. Try this one for size - I saw the newspaper clipping it came from: From the London Daily Mirror, Monday April 7th 2003, page 4 Brit Pilot's Punch-up A Furious British Helicopter Pilot who came under "friendly fire" from American troops landed yards from them, leapt out and exchanged punches with a US Marine. The Chinook pilot shouted at him: "When was the last time you saw a f******* Iraqi in a helicopter?" The pilot and the marine had to be pulled apart as American troops advanced on the north of Baghdad, according to US reports from US Central Command in Qatar. British military spokesman Group Captain Al Lockwood said: "I'm afraid it would be an RAF kind of thing to do. "These guys are not known for tolerating fools gladly." |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 11:47:43 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Oh, and Follow You Down, why don't you PM Sal to get her to change your name to something more appropriate? It's between "depressing c**t or "pain in the arse". What do you think? I like "depressing c**t". Steady on mate. I didn't refute story just saying that Tornados were not involved in the conflict so more likely to have been a Harrier Pilot for reasons already stated. Don't disbelieve the gist of it though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:54:49 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Oh, and Follow You Down, why don't you PM Sal to get her to change your name to something more appropriate? It's between "depressing c**t or "pain in the arse". What do you think? I like "depressing c**t". Steady on mate. I didn't refute story just saying that Tornados were not involved in the conflict so more likely to have been a Harrier Pilot for reasons already stated. Don't disbelieve the gist of it though. Is there a possibility it may have happened after the crisis? I only mentioned the Falklands crisis/war to give some context. I'm not a military historian LL! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:58:30 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Afraid not. Try this one for size - I saw the newspaper clipping it came from: From the London Daily Mirror, Monday April 7th 2003, page 4 Brit Pilot's Punch-up A Furious British Helicopter Pilot who came under "friendly fire" from American troops landed yards from them, leapt out and exchanged punches with a US Marine. The Chinook pilot shouted at him: "When was the last time you saw a f******* Iraqi in a helicopter?" The pilot and the marine had to be pulled apart as American troops advanced on the north of Baghdad, according to US reports from US Central Command in Qatar. British military spokesman Group Captain Al Lockwood said: "I'm afraid it would be an RAF kind of thing to do. "These guys are not known for tolerating fools gladly." You've got me laughing now Brits. We are the best at military anything. Period. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:59:32 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Oh, and Follow You Down, why don't you PM Sal to get her to change your name to something more appropriate? It's between "depressing c**t or "pain in the arse". What do you think? I like "depressing c**t". Steady on mate. I didn't refute story just saying that Tornados were not involved in the conflict so more likely to have been a Harrier Pilot for reasons already stated. Don't disbelieve the gist of it though. Quite right Lawrie Tornado aircraft were not involved , the only Tornado's in service at that time were GR- 1 bombers , the F2 Interceptor did not come into service until 1986 ....Tornados could not have operated from our small carriers anyway .....it is possible as you say that it could have been a Sea Harrier Pilot .....and there were a number of RAF pilots serving with the Fleet Air Arm Squadrons at the time.....it's strange if this story comes out of an RAF veterans site , that they would not have been aware of the fact that Tornados were not involved in the conflict |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:04:15 GMT
Steady on mate. I didn't refute story just saying that Tornados were not involved in the conflict so more likely to have been a Harrier Pilot for reasons already stated. Don't disbelieve the gist of it though. Is there a possibility it may have happened after the crisis? I only mentioned the Falklands crisis/war to give some context. I'm not a military historian LL! It may be possible that it was later on , but it would be unlikely to have been involving Tornado aircraft .When Stanley Airfield was updated as an RAF base Phantoms were deployed there to defend the Islands for a good number of years before being replaced by Tornado Interceptors |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:08:54 GMT
Is there a possibility it may have happened after the crisis? I only mentioned the Falklands crisis/war to give some context. I'm not a military historian LL! It may be possible that it was later on , but it would be unlikely to have been involving Tornado aircraft .When Stanley Airfield was updated as an RAF base Phantoms were deployed there to defend the Islands for a good number of years before being replaced by Tornado Interceptors Oh well, there you go, I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up Bish. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:12:05 GMT
It might be humourous but it's also an urban myth, I've seen the same quote attributed to an exchange between iranian air defence and a Tornado. Yup. And a military aircraft would never identify itself so specifically. Also I am not sure that Argentinian interceptors were at any time deployed against British Harriers during the conflict or that there was any suggestion of it ? ....The situation was quite the reverse with all interceptions being carried out by RN Sea Harriers against Argentinian aircraft |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:13:14 GMT
It may be possible that it was later on , but it would be unlikely to have been involving Tornado aircraft .When Stanley Airfield was updated as an RAF base Phantoms were deployed there to defend the Islands for a good number of years before being replaced by Tornado Interceptors Oh well, there you go, I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up Bish. No problem ************** |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 12:19:28 GMT
Great story. But Tornados were not used in Falklands War as they were only just becoming fully operational in 1982 and also we did not have the carrier capability to operate anything but the Harrier Jump Jet. So more likely the conversation would have occurred between Argies and Harrier Pilot. Incidentally during the conflict 5 Harriers were lost to enemy ground fire and none to Argie fighters. 4 were also lost in accidents. Argie aircraft casualties from air combat or ground fire was 45 losses including 29 fighters. They also lost 21 aircraft on the ground most of which occurred during famous SAS raid on Pebble Island. Sadly the S.A.S. Troop that carried out the raid on Pebble Island were later killed in the Sea King that ditched after the bird strike and it's commander Captain John Hamilton was killed in a fire fight with Argentinian troops that allowed his radio operator to escape capture , for which he was awarded the MC Not all the Troop were killed in that crash on 19th May BP. Although 20 SAS were and it is still the biggest loss the regiment has ever suffered. One of the Troop was shot in the foot when retreating from the Pebble Island Raid. I later met him when coming home on QE2, both of us amongst dozens of soldiers, sailors and airmen who had suffered injuries or ship losses. This guy had suffered 3 helicopter crashes, 2 during Operation Paraquat to retake South Georgia and the Seaking ditching referred to earlier plus a bullet in his foot. He didn't want to return home but his CO told him he had used his 9 lives and his foot injury could hamper his future activities in the conflict. However as QE2 steamed north and stopping briefly at Ascension Islands, him and the rest of the small contingent of SAS troopers mysteriously disappeared. Story quickly got round that they had transferred to a south bound ship presumably to continue fighting. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 12:26:38 GMT
Steady on mate. I didn't refute story just saying that Tornados were not involved in the conflict so more likely to have been a Harrier Pilot for reasons already stated. Don't disbelieve the gist of it though. Is there a possibility it may have happened after the crisis? I only mentioned the Falklands crisis/war to give some context. I'm not a military historian LL! Yes of course every possibility. Just after the conflict ended the Falklands Garrison was protected by a squadron of Phantom F4 Fighter bombers based at initially Port Stanley Airport. In the early 90s, as the Phantom was phased out, the Falklands were protected by a Tornado Squadron based at the new Mount Pleasant Airport. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:54:55 GMT
Oh well, there you go, I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up Bish. No problem **************  |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 1, 2013 14:09:49 GMT
It might be humourous but it's also an urban myth, I've seen the same quote attributed to an exchange between iranian air defence and a Tornado. Yup. And a military aircraft would never identify itself so specifically. True, still it's nice to think both iranian and argentine air defences speak perfect english too, I'd file it alongside the US warship / Lighthouse conversation as Abraham Lincoln said in 1864 the problem with internet quotes is that you can't always depend on their accuracy" |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 1, 2013 14:25:04 GMT
So this was never said? The quote I got was from an RAF veterans site too, that debunks the urban myth as something the yanks tried to own. Oh well, I suppose sailors know everything about aircraft.... Oh, and Follow You Down, why don't you PM Sal to get her to change your name to something more appropriate? It's between "depressing c**t or "pain in the arse". What do you think? I prefer "depressing c**t". Call me a bit daft, but i'm one of those people that is in awe of our veterans. They sign up to put their own lives on the line. Who said anything about the yanks trying to own it Einstein, I said I'd seen the same quote i.e. it is supposed to be between an RAF pilot and iranian air defences. But still it was on a RAF veterans site so it must be true  . If I change my name it will be to Attila the Hun as Huddy so kindly suggested , thanks for your ideas though it's very kind of you to use your limited capacity to think about me though  |
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