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Post by underdog on Oct 18, 2013 9:18:09 GMT
Currently on 5 live, they're interviewing Syrian refugees in the Calais who are doing their damndest to enter the UK via any means possible. They've been offered refugee status in France but they have to live wild for five months first, they will not stay because their mates who are already here tell them them there's free everything the minute you land. When is this madness going to end and when Is someone going to get control of the uk's borders. We are an open house.
The ones they interview say it's their human right to come here....oohhhhhh fucking hell I'm so angry .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 9:35:55 GMT
I have some real sympathies for genuine refugees, the UK has a great tradition in that respect. However, if you're upset about just a few dozen refugees, wait until the EU opens up our borders to millions of Romanians and Bulgarians next year. Your spleen will probably explode.
It's pure madness. One solution. UKIP.
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 18, 2013 9:36:09 GMT
You're not on your own mate.It makes many many people REALLY angry but the problem never seems to be addressed. We are just a magnet for the rest of the world because of our welfare system. Simple as. Other countries like the States and Australia are nigh on impossible to get into whereas we are just a soft easy target.
Some areas of the Britain are now like complete foreign country's and it will only get worse over time. I wonder what the old soldiers who fought for the country think now that we are just getting invaded via the back door?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 9:38:29 GMT
You're not on your own mate.It makes many many people REALLY angry but the problem never seems to be addressed. We are just a magnet for the rest of the world because of our welfare system. Simple as. Other countries like the States and Australia are nigh on impossible to get into whereas we are just a soft easy target. It's because we are in the EU. It's really as simple as that. Oh yes, nearly forgot, we also pay the EU £50 million a day for the privilege. |
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 18, 2013 9:41:51 GMT
You're not on your own mate.It makes many many people REALLY angry but the problem never seems to be addressed. We are just a magnet for the rest of the world because of our welfare system. Simple as. Other countries like the States and Australia are nigh on impossible to get into whereas we are just a soft easy target. It's because we are in the EU. It's really as simple as that. Yep we certainty need to get out of the Eu and I'm sure we will eventually but by then it will be just too late. How could you possibly deport over a million people? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 9:44:17 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me how much we can help other people entering our country whilst our own people have nothing, I'm not talking about the entire generation who have never worked or made a career out of being a drunk/druggy or having children , but our elderly who are freezing to death with ZERO spending money after working a lifetime and fighting wars to protect us.
Having said that if I was living in a war torn shit hole with a wife and children I would see it as my DUTY to move my family to a safer/better place, so I don't blame them, rather our stupid government for making us the first place on the list that the worlds poor and needy flock to at a time when we can not look after our own.
I see the Australians have made it even tougher for even skilled people to go there, perhaps it's time we followed their example.
When I worked and oh god did I work I thought my NI was there as a safeguard for if I was ill, now I find it is used to build Mosques and for speed cameras while my wife has to keep me, It leaves you with NO dignity and everyone of your family and friends lose any respect for you as you just become a burden on your family and society.
I teach my children and grandchildren to leave this country if ever they get the chance as there is NOTHING for decent people here.
Only those who have had a lifetime of lying and falsifying claims can get anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 9:46:04 GMT
It's because we are in the EU. It's really as simple as that. Yep we certainty need to get out of the Eu and I'm sure we will eventually but by then it will be just too late. How could you possibly deport over a million people? By getting out of the EU so a British government can actually make it's own decisions in the first instance. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 9:51:05 GMT
This is a brilliant little video that Minnie found.
I'm convinced that Nigel Farrage will become the best Prime Minister since Churchill and UKIP have most of the answers to the immigration issue in respect of what the British public actually want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 10:17:30 GMT
Currently on 5 live, they're interviewing Syrian refugees in the Calais who are doing their damndest to enter the UK via any means possible. They've been offered refugee status in France but they have to live wild for five months first, they will not stay because their mates who are already here tell them them there's free everything the minute you land. When is this madness going to end and when Is someone going to get control of the uk's borders. We are an open house. The ones they interview say it's their human right to come here....oohhhhhh fucking hell I'm so angry . When we leave the EU Hope you're patient  Seriously tho, I believe that's a drop in the ocean compared to what will happen in January when the whole of Romania and Bulgaria poorest are allowed in with no questions asked. Hope the government get enough of those houses built and the nhs had better brace themselves for plenty of overtime  |
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 18, 2013 10:20:09 GMT
In my book you cease to be a refugee the second you leave the country you're fleeing and get to somewhere safe (im certain there's at least some wording to that effect in the legal definition too). Quite how a Syrian can still be a refugee having traversed about 20 safe countries to get to Calais I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 10:23:56 GMT
You're not on your own mate.It makes many many people REALLY angry but the problem never seems to be addressed. We are just a magnet for the rest of the world because of our welfare system. Simple as. Other countries like the States and Australia are nigh on impossible to get into whereas we are just a soft easy target. Some areas of the Britain are now like complete foreign country's and it will only get worse over time. I wonder what the old soldiers who fought for the country think now that we are just getting invaded via the back door? They don't need to invade by the back door Brussels insist they are allowed through the front door and Dave and co just go quiet in the hope you don't realise he's a puppet This was a party political broadcast on behalf of the EEB UKIP party |
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 18, 2013 10:29:08 GMT
In my book you cease to be a refugee the second you leave the country you're fleeing and get to somewhere safe (im certain there's at least some wording to that effect in the legal definition too). Quite how a Syrian can still be a refugee having traversed about 20 safe countries to get to Calais I don't know. Fair point that. We aren't exactly a neighbouring country are we? If they all believe that the streets are paved in gold in England they will come forever more and cross how many countries they need to get here no matter what. the attraction for benefits and housing is just too strong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 10:33:21 GMT
It's simply because claiming political asylum is a complex issue and the UK is a very reliable host. Why didn't Ed Snowden go to Canada or Mexico?
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 18, 2013 10:34:53 GMT
In my book you cease to be a refugee the second you leave the country you're fleeing and get to somewhere safe (im certain there's at least some wording to that effect in the legal definition too). Quite how a Syrian can still be a refugee having traversed about 20 safe countries to get to Calais I don't know. Fair point that. We aren't exactly a neighboring country are we? If they all believe that the streets are paved in gold in England they will come forever more and cross how many countries they need to get here no matter what. the attraction for benefits and housing is just too strong. Exactly. Someone else mentioned how tough it is to get into America... not if you're Mexican it's not. The US has an even bigger problem than the UK. So long as the carrot remains big enough, people will get in regardless of the law. Don't let that stop us blaming it all on the Tories/EU/Thatcher though. |
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 18, 2013 10:35:00 GMT
I'm not making a proper contribution to this thread, as it will just be one of those massive paragraphs that no one will be arsed to read. So much stuff pisses me off these days.
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 18, 2013 10:37:47 GMT
I'm not making a proper contribution to this thread, as it will just be one of those massive paragraphs that no one will be arsed to read. So much stuff pisses me off these days. I'm not my own then. Thats reassuring. |
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Post by underdog on Oct 18, 2013 10:43:53 GMT
I have some real sympathies for genuine refugees, the UK has a great tradition in that respect. However, if you're upset about just a few dozen refugees, wait until the EU opens up our borders to millions of Romanians and Bulgarians next year. Your spleen will probably explode. It's pure madness. One solution. UKIP. I agree...until something snaps nothing will ever change in this country. I'd vote Ukip but haven't seen a candidate on the papers around here so far.....what gets me the most is that no one ever asked us, the long suffering population, how we felt about opening the doors! they just did it. Who does it suit, why the rich money making upper bastard classes of course, who are pissing themselves from behind their upper class gated mansions. None of this shit with the EU is about peace or integration, it's about making money for those who've already got lots of it. It's getting to the stage where we need a revolution and a removal of the powers that be. Parliament's a fucking disgrace, supposed to Act on behalf of the people... |
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Post by mozzer68 on Oct 18, 2013 10:44:07 GMT
So long as the hand outs keep coming so will these people
So long as there is a free health care system they will come.
So long as we have such a weak disfuntional bunch of clowns running this country they will come.
We can pay for these people to come here and take take take with no contribution in return while cuts are made for those who need it most.
Elderly care, fuel poverty.
The cuts to police service, the piss poor state of the roads,
There is a massive strain on public services, on health care and on schools, we simply can't continue.
government after government have completely lost their grip on this issue they haven't got a clue how many people are coming in.
It's time to rid ourselves of this government, pull out of Europe and slam the door shut on people who shouldn't be here.
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Post by underdog on Oct 18, 2013 10:46:04 GMT
So long as the hand outs keep coming so will these people So long as there is a free health care system they will come. So long as we have such a weak disfuntional bunch of clowns running this country they will come. We can pay for these people to come here and take take take with no contribution in return while cuts are made for those who need it most. Elderly care, fuel poverty. The cuts to police service, the piss poor state of the roads, There is a massive strain on public services, on health care and on schools, we simply can't continue. government after government have completely lost their grip on this issue they haven't got a clue how many people are coming in. It's time to rid ourselves of this government, pull out of Europe and slam the door shut on people who shouldn't be here. What do do we do about the ones that are already here though....forced repatriation? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 10:54:19 GMT
Fair point that. We aren't exactly a neighboring country are we? If they all believe that the streets are paved in gold in England they will come forever more and cross how many countries they need to get here no matter what. the attraction for benefits and housing is just too strong. Exactly. Someone else mentioned how tough it is to get into America... not if you're Mexican it's not. The US has an even bigger problem than the UK. So long as the carrot remains big enough, people will get in regardless of the law. Don't let that stop us blaming it all on the Tories/EU/Thatcher though. We don't have a land border though. The Americans have a problem with their fence. And who's blaming the Tories? This is an EU issue. All the Polish expats are in the UK because it's perfectly legal for them to be here. Like it will be for Romanians and Bulgarians. There's a world of difference between genuine political refugees and EU migrant workers. |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 18, 2013 10:54:21 GMT
i have no problem with helping genuine refugees
there well might be however an idea of mine would be for all countries and other organisations, the eu, UN, IMF etc
to set up some sort of refugee fund then countries that help refugees can tap into this fund to pay for them
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 18, 2013 10:56:41 GMT
I'm not making a proper contribution to this thread, as it will just be one of those massive paragraphs that no one will be arsed to read. So much stuff pisses me off these days. I'm not my own then. Thats reassuring. You're far from on your own mate. In fact, we will end up with bloody riots, people will get so angry. (Which is precisely what happens in France, hence the queues at Callais?) |
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Post by underdog on Oct 18, 2013 11:01:21 GMT
Fuck it, I'm going to watch the walking dead on catch up
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Post by mozzer68 on Oct 18, 2013 11:01:53 GMT
If they are simply here to scrounge off the state then yes.
Charter hundreds of planes each week and fuck them off.
This asylum bollocks doesn't wash, if you are in real need of asylum then you wouldn't travel through a dozen countries before you found a safe haven
And if you simply fancy living here then you need to contribute to the econemy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 11:02:49 GMT
i have no problem with helping genuine refugees there well might be however an idea of mine would be for all countries and other organisations, the eu, UN, IMF etc to set up some sort of refugee fund then countries that help refugees can tap into this fund to pay for them We already have that. It's called the UK taxpayer. And most of the migrant workers come in as fruit pickers then re-emerge 6 months later on benefits in Crewe or Cambridge.
There's a pub in Crewe that has a largely Polish clientele. On the door of that pub is a sign that says "English Welkome".
The DSS publishes leaflets in 27 different languages entitled "Know What You Can Claim". They even get distributed in India and Pakistan. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 18, 2013 11:16:30 GMT
The stupid thing is that the EU are destroying themselves.
They allow the mass emigration from the poorer countries (Poland, Romania, etc.) and mass immigration into the wealthier EU nations.
The wealthier nations get poorer and struggles as they are just not setup to support the level of new comers that is allowed. The poorer countries lose their best people and also struggle.
The free movement of people within the EU should be predicated on roughly equivalent economies and wealth.
(This is assuming we stay in the EU - which is a given for a few years yet even if UKIP gain more power).
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 18, 2013 11:25:31 GMT
The cynic in me thinks Labour opened our borders up because they knew full well these people would all be voters once residence was granted...and guess who they vote for.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 18, 2013 11:28:22 GMT
Exactly. Someone else mentioned how tough it is to get into America... not if you're Mexican it's not. The US has an even bigger problem than the UK. So long as the carrot remains big enough, people will get in regardless of the law. Don't let that stop us blaming it all on the Tories/EU/Thatcher though. We don't have a land border though. The Americans have a problem with their fence. And who's blaming the Tories? This is an EU issue. All the Polish expats are in the UK because it's perfectly legal for them to be here. Like it will be for Romanians and Bulgarians. There's a world of difference between genuine political refugees and EU migrant workers. Mexicans get into America through tunnels or in trucks. We conveniently built a tunnel under the channel, the rest come in trucks. The situations are broadly similar. So long as they have that tag 'workers' attached to their name i don't care where they come from. The scroungers are from all over though, definitely not an EU only issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 11:59:20 GMT
The cynic in me thinks Labour opened our borders up because they knew full well these people would all be voters once residence was granted...and guess who they vote for.  That and swamp the market with cheap labour |
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 18, 2013 12:08:48 GMT
Fuck it, I'm going to watch the walking dead on catch up Good idea. When does the new series start? I could do with doing something to cheer me up. |
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