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Post by farmer on Oct 10, 2013 20:56:14 GMT
For the last 8 years all we heard was, hate playing Stoke never get anything there/fans are idiots/its fucking freezing .Now we seem to be getting good reviews from the opposition, Stoke play nice slow carpet football much easier for us to compete with them instead of having lumps kicked out of us.The crowd is quite because thers no get stuck in tactics which the crowd used to like(wilkos tackels/Delaps tackle on SWP the team playing and backing one another}.
We need to find a balance between our get stuck in game and this pass pass game and not get anywhere. I know its early doors but I think we need to get back to what we were good at and then add the passing to our game. Even Bego as said we need to start defending as a team again, all good sides have the best defensive records. As we can not score goals we need to tighten up until January.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 10, 2013 23:04:24 GMT
Dunner fret. It's just a passing phase we're going through.
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Post by Gods on Oct 10, 2013 23:05:58 GMT
too nice
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Post by shep207 on Oct 10, 2013 23:13:13 GMT
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 10, 2013 23:16:39 GMT
Yes we have. Weve lost our guts.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 10, 2013 23:17:27 GMT
Well, it'll soon be freezing and we're still idiots.
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 10, 2013 23:24:55 GMT
One of the old sayings in football is that you have to out battle the opposition first and earn the right to play your football.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 10, 2013 23:37:32 GMT
Whatever happened to the group hug, so pivotal in our scrap for survival last season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 12:03:46 GMT
I don't buy that we've lost it. It was there in spades at West Ham.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2013 12:07:42 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men.
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Post by werrington on Oct 11, 2013 12:09:59 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. That comes with buying bigger names with bigger egos mate Nothing anybody can do anything about it as those players are needed |
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 11, 2013 12:13:07 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. I'm pretty definite that they're better men , man for man , than the Arsenal team though, yet Arsenal are quite definitely a better football team. Conversion to playing more skillful football will lead us through some ups and downs but hopefully we are just in transition right now and better results are in the pipeline. |
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Post by thevoid on Oct 11, 2013 12:14:26 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. Well they are being signed to play football rather than re-create Saving Private Ryan. |
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Oct 11, 2013 14:48:05 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. I'm pretty definite that they're better men , man for man , than the Arsenal team though, yet Arsenal are quite definitely a better football team. Conversion to playing more skillful football will lead us through some ups and downs but hopefully we are just in transition right now and better results are in the pipeline. Have I read this right? Man for man we have better players than Arsenal? Really?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 15:03:09 GMT
I don't buy that we've lost it. It was there in spades at West Ham. West Ham were awful that day, we were nothing special. I think Hughes' style will work with a proper striker and a bit more urgency but we need to start picking up points soon. |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Oct 11, 2013 15:18:01 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. Well they are being signed to play football rather than re-create Saving Private Ryan. I enjoyed Saving Private Ryan. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2013 15:27:05 GMT
I think it's been gradually happening for a couple of years. We have lost a host of characters and whilst their replacements might be better footballers, I'm not sure they're better men. That comes with buying bigger names with bigger egos mate Nothing anybody can do anything about it as those players are needed I kind of agree wez but I think you do become an easier touch. Maybe it's misty sepia tinted memories but it seemed to mean much more to the class of 2008-09 and 09/10 etc than it has over the last couple of years and that's started to manifest itself in the stands as well. |
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 11, 2013 15:40:51 GMT
Maybe it's Hughes that's gone soft?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 15:44:10 GMT
I don't buy that we've lost it. It was there in spades at West Ham. West Ham were awful that day, we were nothing special. I think Hughes' style will work with a proper striker and a bit more urgency but we need to start picking up points soon. We were very good - we dug in and controlled large parts of the game. Top five in terms of away performances since promotion. |
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Post by thevoid on Oct 11, 2013 15:47:12 GMT
Well they are being signed to play football rather than re-create Saving Private Ryan. I enjoyed Saving Private Ryan. I did...in context. I also like watching football  |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 11, 2013 16:47:05 GMT
I didn't think Whelan and Wilson looked very nice at the weekend.
Huth and Shawcross havn't lost any steel, the goals against Palace were fine examples of their collective grit. {I always think that I should type HUTH's name in capitals, he's immense. I was disappointed with Pieters on sat. Let the side down as they say.
I thought that last year with the signings of N'Zonzi and Adam particularly, there was a shift towards football which involved the midfield as opposed to bypassing it. At the same time, key characters had moved on but I also thought teams were intent on getting a bit of payback almost:
N'Zonzi and Crouchie got beat up, Fellaini mauled Ryan, Huth got suspended for retaliating all before xmas.. we got knocked about while we tried to knock it about more.
The last few games of last season I thought the grit had returned to the side, they'd looked for a while like they'd never been on the same pitch before.
With more passing and possession in theory there should be fewer 50/50 scraps, without a big throw-in it becomes less gung ho.
The football should look less frantic and ugly. {I like a bit of ugly.~}
I was pondering whether the new, more attacking set up was the reason for the perceived leakiness, an inevitable consequence of dropping the defensive plan. The flying wing backs carry the risk of exposure. But thinking about it a lot of these recent goals have been gifts. Which isn't new:
Walters vs Chelsea, we went through a run when we scored more own goals than the opposition scored against us. And then there's the 'own' defence splitting passes: Whelan at Newcastle, Adam... etc. It is all part of the beautiful game, but recently we do seem to have been exceptionally good at shooting ourselves in the foot. I don't know if there is a remedy for that..
I do think there is a more thoughtful approach that brings with it some hesitation, and at times looks fragmented. I'm hoping they'll start to ' click'.
We've still got a squad of robust characters, once they get more intuitive things will improve. I hope the International break helps. The late transfer window and the team rotation etc means it's too soon to be expecting too much. I thought the corners and set pieces were more purposeful against Fulham.
A few wins will give us a cocky swagger.
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 11, 2013 17:16:19 GMT
Just luring the buggers in..... then we'll 'ave them!
Not sure I want a cocky swagger, ok in private but ...
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Post by expat on Oct 11, 2013 17:32:46 GMT
The Brit doesn't have that electric atmosphere it had in our first season in the Prem. As fans, we didn't really expect to win, and were happy to get behind the players, who gave everything they had.
If all of our players, especially the likes of N'Zonzi, Crouch and Jones, showed the same commitment, the Brit atmosphere would become a nightmare for visiting teams again.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 11, 2013 17:48:50 GMT
I'm pretty definite that they're better men , man for man , than the Arsenal team though, yet Arsenal are quite definitely a better football team. Conversion to playing more skillful football will lead us through some ups and downs but hopefully we are just in transition right now and better results are in the pipeline. Have I read this right? Man for man we have better players than Arsenal? Really?! Of course not!!...you need to read the comment I am replying to and then put my remark into the correct context. |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2013 19:18:25 GMT
Have I read this right? Man for man we have better players than Arsenal? Really?! Of course not!!...you need to read the comment I am replying to and then put my remark into the correct context. Man for man, we are nicer than Arsenal. 'Cos they're a bunch of cunts! |
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 12, 2013 11:37:33 GMT
Of course not!!...you need to read the comment I am replying to and then put my remark into the correct context. Man for man, we are nicer than Arsenal. 'Cos they're a bunch of cunts! exactly |
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Post by chattyladypotter on Oct 12, 2013 11:44:04 GMT
No one liked us... even we didn't like us.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Oct 12, 2013 11:50:23 GMT
No one liked us... even we didn't like us. Ah but we are allowed to say so. I won't have other supporters lecturing me on our club. When we are shite it is our shite and I'm damned proud of it! |
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Post by fegghayze on Oct 12, 2013 13:01:18 GMT
Think we have lost some of the "hardness" and passion, on and off the field. It's a two way street, we need to become as one again on and off the pitch or it's going to be a long winter
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