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Post by flea79 on Mar 18, 2019 11:08:15 GMT
One day they will crack Or One day somthing will happen that points the finger I doubt it, they've got too much protection from outside agencies. always maintained that Gerry must have some high up connections, maybe masonic or something who know's
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Post by salopstick on Mar 18, 2019 11:31:27 GMT
The strangest amongst all the other strange things is Clarence Blair’s PR Man straight out on a plane
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 18, 2019 16:09:03 GMT
Having now watched it all the first thing I have to say is just how uninteresting that was. Maybe it's because im comparing it to the likes of 'making a murderer' but it was a bit dull in parts and could've been cut to 4/5 episodes imo.
Off the bat, the whole Matt Oldfield episode sounds fucking bizarre to me. His soul aim was to check on the kids and he didn't bother going in the room?! This after apparently noticing strange noises and the window open? Who ignores that in that exact moment?! How hasn't he been questioned more on this?
It's hard to ignore the dogs and the fact I find something extremely sinister about the parents (and negligent) but equally, did they really have time and opportunity to hide a dead body and then keep it hidden for 20 odd days before moving it?! That's also equally unrealistic because she was seen going back into the department that day.
Fuck knows what happened.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 18, 2019 16:27:34 GMT
Having now watched it all the first thing I have to say is just how uninteresting that was. Maybe it's because im comparing it to the likes of 'making a murderer' but it was a bit dull in parts and could've been cut to 4/5 episodes imo. Off the bat, the whole Matt Oldfield episode sounds fucking bizarre to me. His soul aim was to check on the kids and he didn't bother going in the room?! This after apparently noticing strange noises and the window open? Who ignores that in that exact moment?! How hasn't he been questioned more on this? It's hard to ignore the dogs and the fact I find something extremely sinister about the parents (and negligent) but equally, did they really have time and opportunity to hide a dead body and then keep it hidden for 20 odd days before moving it?! That's also equally unrealistic because she was seen going back into the department that day. Fuck knows what happened. whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-under-construction.htmlLong hard slog through 30 chapters but covers pretty much all angles. Written by Peter MacLeod, retired Police Superintendent detective who served for twenty eight years with Nottinghamshire Police, who has visited PdL many times and walked the scene. Sorry if previously posted but only just came into this thread this week.
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Post by kelw on Mar 19, 2019 12:09:36 GMT
Having now watched it all the first thing I have to say is just how uninteresting that was. Maybe it's because im comparing it to the likes of 'making a murderer' but it was a bit dull in parts and could've been cut to 4/5 episodes imo. Off the bat, the whole Matt Oldfield episode sounds fucking bizarre to me. His soul aim was to check on the kids and he didn't bother going in the room?! This after apparently noticing strange noises and the window open? Who ignores that in that exact moment?! How hasn't he been questioned more on this? It's hard to ignore the dogs and the fact I find something extremely sinister about the parents (and negligent) but equally, did they really have time and opportunity to hide a dead body and then keep it hidden for 20 odd days before moving it?! That's also equally unrealistic because she was seen going back into the department that day. Fuck knows what happened. whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-under-construction.htmlLong hard slog through 30 chapters but covers pretty much all angles. Written by Peter MacLeod, retired Police Superintendent detective who served for twenty eight years with Nottinghamshire Police, who has visited PdL many times and walked the scene. Sorry if previously posted but only just came into this thread this week. Pat Brown's book worth a look as well.... If you can find it in the UK thanks to the McCanns
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Post by metalhead on Mar 19, 2019 15:57:52 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 19, 2019 16:29:17 GMT
Pat Brown's book worth a look as well.... If you can find it in the UK thanks to the McCanns Not available in the UK as the McCann's lawyers Carter Ruck (top defamation legal firm - every missing kid needs one of these) got it banned. Like Amaral's book there are ways around it.....but I wouldn't possibly know how, honest.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 19, 2019 16:36:57 GMT
Pat Brown's book worth a look as well.... If you can find it in the UK thanks to the McCanns Not available in the UK as the McCann's lawyers Carter Ruck (top defamation legal firm - every missing kid needs one of these) got it banned. Like Amaral's book there are ways around it.....but I wouldn't possibly know how, honest. carter ruck are also heavily involved with the church of scientology and often send letters threatening dreadful legal action against people who question them, just how you imagine a religion would act! seriously who the fuck are the McCanns, shes a scouser makes me wonder if one of her kids wasnt a Bulger killer or something as the families were put into witness protection, just in case im right i will say goodbye as im sure a secret like this being rumbled would get me blackbagged
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Post by kelw on Mar 19, 2019 18:27:54 GMT
Pat Brown's book worth a look as well.... If you can find it in the UK thanks to the McCanns Not available in the UK as the McCann's lawyers Carter Ruck (top defamation legal firm - every missing kid needs one of these) got it banned. Like Amaral's book there are ways around it.....but I wouldn't possibly know how, honest. Paid for by the Find Madeleine Fund of course. Good to see the money going to use
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Post by salopstick on Mar 19, 2019 18:56:43 GMT
Not available in the UK as the McCann's lawyers Carter Ruck (top defamation legal firm - every missing kid needs one of these) got it banned. Like Amaral's book there are ways around it.....but I wouldn't possibly know how, honest. Paid for by the Find Madeleine Fund of course. Good to see the money going to use It’s not a charity it’s a limited company
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 19, 2019 20:54:32 GMT
Having now watched it all the first thing I have to say is just how uninteresting that was. Maybe it's because im comparing it to the likes of 'making a murderer' but it was a bit dull in parts and could've been cut to 4/5 episodes imo. Off the bat, the whole Matt Oldfield episode sounds fucking bizarre to me. His soul aim was to check on the kids and he didn't bother going in the room?! This after apparently noticing strange noises and the window open? Who ignores that in that exact moment?! How hasn't he been questioned more on this? It's hard to ignore the dogs and the fact I find something extremely sinister about the parents (and negligent) but equally, did they really have time and opportunity to hide a dead body and then keep it hidden for 20 odd days before moving it?! That's also equally unrealistic because she was seen going back into the department that day. Fuck knows what happened. whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-under-construction.htmlLong hard slog through 30 chapters but covers pretty much all angles. Written by Peter MacLeod, retired Police Superintendent detective who served for twenty eight years with Nottinghamshire Police, who has visited PdL many times and walked the scene. Sorry if previously posted but only just came into this thread this week. Just had a good look at Peter MacLeod's e-book. Some very interesting points made.. Reckons Murat was involved. He knew Gerry McCann & others in their drinking group. Has an alibi for the day the McCanns claim Madeleine went missing..recieved £600,000 off British newspapers for slander. But if Madeleine didn't go missing on that day..which their is some evidence for..bang goes his alibi. And what happened to that big blue 'tennis bag'? The tennis club that Murat & Gerry McCann went to? Like Madeleine it's never been found...
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Post by salopstick on Mar 19, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
Watched the first 3 nothing interesting
I want to watch a proper one that focus on the parents
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Post by kelw on Mar 19, 2019 21:57:05 GMT
Watched the first 3 nothing interesting I want to watch a proper one that focus on the parents Episode 4 the most interesting one re the parents
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Post by kelw on Mar 19, 2019 22:00:16 GMT
Paid for by the Find Madeleine Fund of course. Good to see the money going to use It’s not a charity it’s a limited company I know that., hence the term Find Madeleine Fund. They have friends on the pay roll from the so called company and advertised it on Facebook as a charity which it isn't. They also paid personal expenses from the fund including mortgage payments. This was money donated by good hearted people to find a child, not sue anyone who didn't believe their theory or to fund their lifestyle
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:43:54 GMT
If a dog can smell corpse what more is there to say. The dog evidence alone would see them charged and tried in many countries. These dogs have NEVER been wrong. Add that to the long list of anomalies. I wouldn't deny that sniffer dogs are very good. They are indispensable to our police and other agencies. They aren't 100% accurate though. They "indicate" things, they do not prove them. A conviction should never be gained on the barking of a sniffer dog - that would be crazy to say the least.
The statement that these dogs have never been wrong is simply ludicrous. You have been watching too many conspiracy theory videos - maybe the Maddie McCann ones?
I can say that myself and my wife, less than two months ago, were walking down a pier (from a cruise ship), and went through a sort of "check point". No passports or anything like that required. A dog "alerted" at my wife's bag. I mean seriously started barking.
There was no mad panic by the police at all. They didn't all draw their guns and scream out "Get down on the ground!!" They hadn't "found" a drugs importer. The dog was lead away, and a female police officer checked her bag. Quite gently she asked if any food products had been in the bag. My wife said that their had been an apple in the bag until that morning. The officer said "Thank you - that explains the response from our dog - have a nice day". I will also add that this wasn't a dog trained to sniff illegal food imports - it was a drug sniffer dog.
As it happens I too find all of the contradictions and changes of statements by the McCanns to indicate that things are not quite as they should be. It would help a lot if the McCann's themselves would explain the "inconsistencies" - but they choose not to do so, but rely on, what it appears to be the rich and powerful, to protect them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:48:53 GMT
My theory, Holiday party are all doctors with some specialising in aesthetic. They had a pact to administer sleep induced medical to children over night. Mccans went to check on Madaline and found her dead ( gave her to much aesthetics being the older child). Paniced and used thier connections to get rid of the body. So what was the blood that one of the dogs "alerted" too?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 2:29:10 GMT
I have taken a keen interest in all of this over the years. I can't remember who did it, but there is about eighteen hours of video on You Tube where the film maker trawls through everything. Mainly from the paperwork that was released by the Portugal Police after they stopped their investigations. He compares official statements made by the people involved and points out the inconsistencies.
The guy has a slight Geordie accent. Now as the McCanns are not shy to sue - they have sued a book writer (and failed), they sued a magazine (which went bust), and also sued the Leicester Police Force. Now as all of the material that this film maker has made, is still online - I can only assume that he has never said any thing which could induce a liable claim.
The "dog" evidence is pretty damning. The photo evidence is also unbelievable - that "last" photo cannot be the last photo. Maddie is quite white and untanned. They released the "tennis ball " photo which apparently came earlier in the week - a sun tan.
I only saw this last night.......
What on earth were those three photos of Maddie? She is lying on her back, looking over her shoulder into the camera. If she were an adult - that would be called a "glamour" shot. The next picture is with her wearing lipstick, and eye shadow makeup (blue) - also looking right into the lens of the camera. And the last - she is sucking a lolly.
The film maker deduces that these photos were taken on 3/5/07. He arrives at this conclusion from the length of her hair. The three photos I would say are "creepy" in the extreme.
I myself find it hard to get past the remarks made by David Payne - as reported by Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar and her husband. I ask you honestly, all of you, would you be comfortable being in the company of these people, WITH YOUR CHILDREN?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 3:02:37 GMT
Assets. Now all of my life I have believed that an asset is something good. An asset could be your house. It could be your investments and bank balance. Anything at all that you value - they are your assets. From following the heartbreaking story of Maddie, we find ourselves in the world of MI5. Now MI5 has it's own definition of an "asset". An asset is a target that may have been filmed performing an illegal act with a minor. Once MI5 have this info - that person becomes an "asset". That person could well be a high profile person. He is now a puppet of MI5. He will do absolutely everything that he is told to do.
Ourselves and MI5 will always protect our assets.
I, like everyone else have no idea what happened to that beautiful little girl.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 20, 2019 19:45:05 GMT
We are aware that Netflix are planning to screen a documentary in March 2019 about Madeleine’s disappearance. The production company told us that they were making the documentary and asked us to participate. We did not see and still do not see how this programme will help the search for Madeleine and, particularly given there is an active police investigation, could potentially hinder it.
Consequently, our views and preferences are not reflected in the programme.
We will not be making any further statements or giving interviews regarding this programme.’
Gerry and Kate McCann
End of Statement
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 19:48:29 GMT
Just had a good look at Peter MacLeod's e-book. Some very interesting points made.. Reckons Murat was involved. He knew Gerry McCann & others in their drinking group. Has an alibi for the day the McCanns claim Madeleine went missing..recieved £600,000 off British newspapers for slander. But if Madeleine didn't go missing on that day..which their is some evidence for..bang goes his alibi. And what happened to that big blue 'tennis bag'? The tennis club that Murat & Gerry McCann went to? Like Madeleine it's never been found... Yes, I noticed in one episode that they asked Gerry if he knew Murat and he said "no comment". Weird. Who knows what really happened?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 21:03:13 GMT
And the millionaire and his son getting involved? What the fuck is that all about? Pair of arrogant twats.
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Post by kelw on Mar 20, 2019 21:08:58 GMT
In the opening episode it gave the account of Kate McCann and the open window which is a comment she later withdrew as was a lie but not mentioned in the documentary.
She used the term 'jemmied' and 'Smashed' when in fact the police reports said that they hadn't been opened and the only fingerprints were Kate McCann's herself in what appeared to be an attempt to open them
found it to be quite biased as interviewed mainly those around the McCanns including PR and friends
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:02:55 GMT
What fucks me off is that this has to be the most money to a missing persons case in British history right?
Of course it's upper middle class parents with rich friends, how fucked up is that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 0:35:37 GMT
What fucks me off is that this has to be the most money to a missing persons case in British history right? Of course it's upper middle class parents with rich friends, how fucked up is that. There are two ways of looking at this. One way is the one that you suggest. How and why are the rich and powerful getting so immediately involved in this case? Unusual to say the least.
The other is the way that I actually remember it at the time. The reports came out of the "event". This was closely followed by reports of the local police doing very little to find Maddie. Then reports that the parents were being considered as suspects - around this time (as I recall) Richard Branson and various other influential people hit the headlines. The idea being to help two Brits that had "lost" their daughter - and to help out as best they could. I have no problems with that at all, and should I find myself in the same situation, I would hope that our Foreign Office would provide me with support.
It is what has happened since those first days that I have problems with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 0:53:43 GMT
In the opening episode it gave the account of Kate McCann and the open window which is a comment she later withdrew as was a lie but not mentioned in the documentary. She used the term 'jemmied' and 'Smashed' when in fact the police reports said that they hadn't been opened and the only fingerprints were Kate McCann's herself in what appeared to be an attempt to open them found it to be quite biased as interviewed mainly those around the McCanns including PR and friends Well yes, this business of the open or closed window is the big question.
We are dealing with very intelligent people here. Doctors.
Why on earth would Kate say that the window was open - when apparently it was closed? I suspect here that maybe with the "bungled" investigation, one of the police closed the window, to protect the scene? Ok you are going to mention fingerprints.
Am I right in saying that by the time that real forensic work was done - the flat had been lived in by two other holidaymakers?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 1:12:53 GMT
This Netflix series is really very good. They, so far, are taking a neutral stance, and presenting us with the facts - also with video, rather than a Geordie drone whilst staring at "statements", and contradictions, and changes of "story".
Already they have disclosed information that wasn't "released" by the conspiracy theory guys - well if it didn't fit the agenda of the conspiracy theory, they aren't going to release it are they?
It's all looking good so far.
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Post by kelw on Mar 21, 2019 7:44:29 GMT
In the opening episode it gave the account of Kate McCann and the open window which is a comment she later withdrew as was a lie but not mentioned in the documentary. She used the term 'jemmied' and 'Smashed' when in fact the police reports said that they hadn't been opened and the only fingerprints were Kate McCann's herself in what appeared to be an attempt to open them found it to be quite biased as interviewed mainly those around the McCanns including PR and friends Well yes, this business of the open or closed window is the big question.
We are dealing with very intelligent people here. Doctors.
Why on earth would Kate say that the window was open - when apparently it was closed? I suspect here that maybe with the "bungled" investigation, one of the police closed the window, to protect the scene? Ok you are going to mention fingerprints.
Am I right in saying that by the time that real forensic work was done - the flat had been lived in by two other holidaymakers?
She admitted that the window wasn't open so how was that down to a bungled investigation? By the time the police were called other people had been in and out of the flat and Kate McCann had washed the curtains and cuddle cat which again she admitted. This whole thing of dis-crediting the police from day 1, they called the media before the police, had people disturb a crime scene, tampered with possible evidence then blame the police.She also said she had no current photo of Madeleine in her camera. Yes they are doctors but also human and when panic sets in their occupation is somewhat irrelevant.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 21, 2019 9:55:38 GMT
And despite all the shouting and screaming and banging of doors and general mayhem when they found Madeleine 'had gone'...which continued for hours..the twins NEVER woke up.
That suggests they were sedated.
Kate is a trained anaethnitist.
Doctors have access to 'controlled' drugs.
And the photo of Madeleine which both parents claim was the last ever taken of her on the 3/5/2007..the day she was 'abducted'...shows bright sunlight and blue skies.
In Prai da Luiz on 3/5/2007 every weather report shows low lying cloud throughout the day.
And this Netfix series is a crock of absolute shit...Not only does it tell us nothing knew it features false leads and obfuscation.
Tripe.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 21, 2019 12:10:31 GMT
Harsh but true.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 21, 2019 12:26:22 GMT
Another thing got me. If this bloke doing the checking on their kids noticed a window was open and heard a noise in the room, why didn't he go into the room to see and close the window?
I also don't buy this "we checked on them every twenty minutes" business. When the drink is flowing? And what state would the people checking be in if they did? It's neglect at the very least, and would have been if it was Sharon and Steve from a council estate.
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