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Post by wannabee on May 4, 2023 11:11:46 GMT
Dreadful Parents no matter what your theory is How they've dodged social services or jail time for child neglect at least is criminal in itself It's a Class thing, a working single mother on Univesal Credits would have been pilloried
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Post by knype on May 4, 2023 11:53:52 GMT
How they've dodged social services or jail time for child neglect at least is criminal in itself It's a Class thing, a working single mother on Univesal Credits would have been pilloried Totally agree on that!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 19:00:19 GMT
An absolute disgrace these pair have been allowed to get away with this Scot free. And just had hundreds of thousands pumped into the case, not to mention book sales and tv appearances. For me, whether they had anything to do with it or not should face the severest punishment for child neglect, as Wannabee quite rightly points out it’s a class thing and it stinks. Not many things make this badger angry but this certainly does
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 5, 2023 17:21:32 GMT
An absolute disgrace these pair have been allowed to get away with this Scot free. And just had hundreds of thousands pumped into the case, not to mention book sales and tv appearances. For me, whether they had anything to do with it or not should face the severest punishment for child neglect, as Wannabee quite rightly points out it’s a class thing and it stinks. Not many things make this badger angry but this certainly does This. Couldn't have said it any better. Last I read it was about 13 million and counting...
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Post by redstriper on May 22, 2023 21:03:05 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 22, 2023 21:48:06 GMT
The first search of the reservoir was so poor they're doing it again, just in case. Makes absolute sense. Not.
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Post by tuum on May 23, 2023 1:28:02 GMT
How they've dodged social services or jail time for child neglect at least is criminal in itself It's a Class thing, a working single mother on Univesal Credits would have been pilloried Possibly, but I think it is a little more nuanced than that. Photogenic child. Photogenic, intelligent, educated parents with the brains and money to create a successful media campaign to highlight their plight. I think a lot of their success in keeping this case so high profile is down to the father's determination. A working single mother on UC may not have been in Portugal in the first place. A child abducted from, say, Rhyl caravan park will never have the same attraction to the press as a posh place in Portugal. There seems to be as many people who dislike the McCanns as those who are sympathetic. Perhaps, this is one small reason why the media continues to follow the case because it generates differing opinions which is always good for sales. Education and an ability to speak well are also contributing factors. The fact is, two doctors are nearly always going to be more articulate and persuasive than a single mum on benefits. The outcome would be the same in other countries where no class system exists. Everyone respects doctors and it is a fact of life that people want to like attractive people so are more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. These are just a few factors that may influence the media and the general public in many criminal cases. It is not all about 'class'.
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2023 2:36:45 GMT
It's a Class thing, a working single mother on Univesal Credits would have been pilloried Possibly, but I think it is a little more nuanced than that. Photogenic child. Photogenic, intelligent, educated parents with the brains and money to create a successful media campaign to highlight their plight. I think a lot of their success in keeping this case so high profile is down to the father's determination. A working single mother on UC may not have been in Portugal in the first place. A child abducted from, say, Rhyl caravan park will never have the same attraction to the press as a posh place in Portugal. There seems to be as many people who dislike the McCanns as those who are sympathetic. Perhaps, this is one small reason why the media continues to follow the case because it generates differing opinions which is always good for sales . Education and an ability to speak well are also contributing factors. The fact is, two doctors are nearly always going to be more articulate and persuasive than a single mum on benefits. The outcome would be the same in other countries where no class system exists. Everyone respects doctors and it is a fact of life that people want to like attractive people so are more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. These are just a few factors that may influence the media and the general public in many criminal cases. It is not all about 'class'. Maybe, but MSN smell a story and milk it for as long as it remains so regardless In other words the MSN set the agenda for how the narrative of the story was going to play out Certainly an appealing victim being crude few like an ugly baby. It's only speculation on my behalf but my guess is that the first reaction of the parents would be guilt and grief followed self preservation to avoid distain then the notoriety and victim hood accompanied the money pot. It was a difficult merry-go-round to get off. Personally I think it was to keep the cash flowing My class comment was generic not related to location Oh I agree it's surprising how many people live their lives vicariously via others. Hardly coincidental that the main UK Publications who keep the torch or this story burning also feed their readership with a steady diet of Royal Tid Bits Undoubtedly which was my central point of Class bias Most likely the difference being in UK it is deferential while say in US it is aspirational Superficially nothing is about one single issue, a story needs a "hook" for it to sustain the Public Interest This story contains enough pathos and mystery to be sustainable but ultimately it wouldn't have if the Mother was single on UC so yes in my view it is essentially about class.
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Post by redstriper on May 23, 2023 10:20:49 GMT
This case polarises opinions like no other, and I for one don't mind the money spent because I really want to know happened.
Many people dislike the McCanns - calling them posh self publicists etc, but put yourself in their position, would you not do whatever it takes to keep the investigation alive ?
I've spent many weeks in Praia da Luz and know the apartment and the surrounds very well. The distance from the restaurant to the bedroom isn't much more than leaving your child asleep in a bedroom whilst you bbq at the bottom of your garden at home, who hasn't done that ?
This idea that people from a different class would be prosecuted for child neglect just because their young child goes missing doesn't hold water, nobody has ever come up with an example.
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2023 21:57:29 GMT
Seems like the AI of the Grerman police is saying it is 99.999% certain that it was Christian Brueckner who abducted and killed poor Maddie.
Known paedophile, frequent house breaker and burglar in the area, convicted rapist and murderer, phone records placing him outside the McAnn's appartment on the night of her disapperance, evidence of a dead Maddie in his van.
I mean how certain do you want it?
But how do they pin it on him after the Portuguese police lost the moment by going down the alley of every crack-pot consiracy theory doing the rounds back at the time.
All just so sad.
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