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Post by heavysoul on Oct 7, 2013 19:23:17 GMT
Sorry if anything like this has already been asked / posted. Just wondering why Stoke are not able to attract any big names. Bent has turned us down I wonder how many big name players have been approached by Stoke and have turned us down and not been publicised ? Even if we were an established top 10 club would top players be tempted.
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Post by werrington on Oct 7, 2013 19:24:36 GMT
Crouch is a bigger name than Bent
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 7, 2013 19:28:47 GMT
Aren't our top players on about 40k? Not enough to attract top players?
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 7, 2013 19:29:15 GMT
Aren't our top players on about 40k? Not enough to attract top players? I mean top, top players? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 19:37:46 GMT
Aren't our top players on about 40k? Not enough to attract top players? I mean top, top players? Because we're Stoke. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 7, 2013 19:55:02 GMT
So:
Owen
Crouch
Gudjonson
Woodgate
Were top players.
We're in a different league (so to speak) in terms of wages compared to what top class players expect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 19:58:38 GMT
Aren't our top players on about 40k? Not enough to attract top players? I mean top, top players? Do top, top players play for low-end prem sides? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 20:05:13 GMT
We play shit football
We pay average wages
we are a retirement home
we end England careers
Etc Etc Etc
All this needs to change , lots of work to do, at least we have made a start with MH
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2013 20:07:31 GMT
Do top, top players play for low-end prem sides? Nope, unless they are on their last legs. |
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 7, 2013 22:41:31 GMT
What we want to do is get promising young players who are hungry to become top players.
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Post by craig67 on Oct 7, 2013 22:49:52 GMT
What we want to do is get promising young players who are hungry to become top players. I believe that is the idea. |
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Post by hippyboy on Oct 8, 2013 8:18:58 GMT
Have you been to Stoke recently? Your witness M'Lud
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 8, 2013 8:44:09 GMT
All mid/lower table clubs struggle to attract top talent, Stoke is not alone there. The other big thing is the place itself. Its my home town and I love it but it really is a shithole. You sense it as soon as you come off the M6.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 9:08:59 GMT
All mid/lower table clubs struggle to attract top talent, Stoke is not alone there. The other big thing is the place itself. Its my home town and I love it but it really is a shithole. You sense it as soon as you come off the M6. you're right about your first point but the place itself is irrelevant...none of the players live here or socialise in Stoke, the most attractive feature of Stoke is that's it's close to Cheshire where they live/spend their time. what Stoke is like as a place has no importance for them. it's simple really.....lower mid table club with low wages, nothing more than that |
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2013 9:26:11 GMT
All mid/lower table clubs struggle to attract top talent, Stoke is not alone there. The other big thing is the place itself. Its my home town and I love it but it really is a shithole. You sense it as soon as you come off the M6. you're right about your first point but the place itself is irrelevant...none of the players live here or socialise in Stoke, the most attractive feature of Stoke is that's it's close to Cheshire where they live/spend their time. what Stoke is like as a place has no importance for them. it's simple really.....lower mid table club with low wages, nothing more than that Do many teams from the bottom half of the table attract top, top players? These players are attracted to money and European Football. Newcastle are the only ones I can think of who get good players on a regular basis but with their match day revenue they can afford to pay much more in wages. Not too mention that most of their players see them as a stepping stone. We could probably offer more in wages if we ditched all the fat in the squad. Then again, with the additional TV money we should be able to increase the wage budget to bring in decent players at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 9:27:23 GMT
Is Bent is a big name player? Who has turned us down for any reason other than money?
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2013 9:32:47 GMT
Is Bent is a big name player? Who has turned us down for any reason other than money? Parker, Bentdner, C-Cole? Plus Bullard and Murphy maybe.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 10:07:16 GMT
Is Bent is a big name player? Who has turned us down for any reason other than money? Parker, Bentdner, C-Cole? Plus Bullard and Murphy maybe.... What were their reasons? Parker was never going to choose us over Spurs, Bullard was offered ridiculous money by Hull |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 10:41:47 GMT
From time to time a bizarre signing takes place, like when Nicolas Anelka went to Bolton. That was a bit left field.
At the end or tail end of your career yes but Arsenal, Real Madrid, Paris Saint-Germain, Liverpool, Manchester City, Fenerbahce, BOLTON, Chelsea is slightly strange career path.
Back to the gist of the thread, Bent isn't a big name player at all and players don't go to clubs for so many different reason that i'd be writing essay after essay to fit them all in. Even then i wouldn't know a lot of others as i'm not within the game.
Money talks, money money money. It's very rarely not to do with money. The whole "but we play crap football" won't stop a player from coming here. Not getting enough cash for him and primarily his agent will though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 10:58:12 GMT
you're right about your first point but the place itself is irrelevant...none of the players live here or socialise in Stoke, the most attractive feature of Stoke is that's it's close to Cheshire where they live/spend their time. what Stoke is like as a place has no importance for them. it's simple really.....lower mid table club with low wages, nothing more than that Do many teams from the bottom half of the table attract top, top players? These players are attracted to money and European Football. Newcastle are the only ones I can think of who get good players on a regular basis but with their match day revenue they can afford to pay much more in wages. Not too mention that most of their players see them as a stepping stone. We could probably offer more in wages if we ditched all the fat in the squad. Then again, with the additional TV money we should be able to increase the wage budget to bring in decent players at least. completely agree...we're a lower mid table side so aren't going to compete with many teams for top players at all (presumably why PC wants us to concentrate on younger or foreign players...basically hoping we unearth some unheard of gem that will come good. also agree with the idea that our wage structure NEEDS to change if we do want to progress...it's all well and good trying to find these young unknown stars but as soon as they start performing then we'll lose them unless we do something about our wagecap. i'm just hoping that, at the moment, PC was keeping the reigns tight to just see if Les was the right man to be trusted with his money before splashing it around after seeing so much wasted over the last few years. i think he'll be happy to pay higher wages as long as he knows it's on the right players (i.e. not 30 year olds who are trading off past glories) and that Hughes can be trusted to be the man to find these "Right players". at the moment (depsite our league position) i think PC will be heartened by what Hughes has done in terms of exploiting the foreign market and bringing younger players as well as adapting our style but unless we have people that can actually score goals/create chances out of nowhere/change games by their pace,power,movement then Hughes is onto a loser anyway. hopefully PC will see Hughes is doing what he can with the resources he's been given and trust him in january and we may see a bit more action in the transfer market then, especially in that area...god knows we need it!!! i honestly believe that if we can get 1 or 2 players in that have that creativity,pace and skill (which will need an increase in our wage budget to fund, even if they're younger players otherwise we'll just lose them to other clubs around us) to create and score then we'll do more than ok this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:17:19 GMT
Is Bent is a big name player? Who has turned us down for any reason other than money? i think money probably is the only reason yes. in terms of whether he's a big name player or not, personally i don't care. Crouch is a big name player but he still doesn't score goals (whether that's down to his age,ability or style of play we employ), torres is a big name player but doesn't do it for Chelsea etc. etc. sod all this "Big name player" bollocks, clubs don't need big name players, they need players that do what they're supposed to in their position!! Bent may not be a "big name player" but he scores goals wherever he goes, people can slag him off all they like on here because they don't like him because of what he said about us in the past but for them to dismiss him shows how agenda can cloud judgment of ability (not aimed at you eddieg just a point in general) Darren Bent Prem goals ratio = 1 in every 2.8 games Wayne Rooney every 2.3 games Torres every 2.4 games Peter Crouch every 3.7 games overall(4.2 games for us) Jon Walters every 5.8 games Kenwynne Jones every 4.7 games overall (6.6 for us) i think that shows that Bent, when played is far more in the bracket of the "Top players" in terms of Prem goals scoring than any of our forward line up. for people to slag him off, deride him and say he we're well shot of him is ridiculous!!! he's EXACTLY the kind of player that would suit us down to the ground (especially with our "New style" of play) and, in my opinion, exactly the kind of player we should increase our wages for! paying 10 million for an ageing Crouch who scored virtually all his goals for teams where he had a partner up front was a joke when we were going to use him a sole frontman. Bent may be 28 but knows how to create space, has power and knows where the goal is.these are the kind of players we SHOULD change our financial setup for |
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Post by RichardTMP on Oct 8, 2013 11:34:25 GMT
There is a difference between signing a decent player and a world class player, and i for one dont see us signing a world class player any time soon. I am happy with the caliber of players in which we are attempting to bring in to the club and it the level of player is definitely getting better.
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Post by expat on Oct 8, 2013 12:35:03 GMT
Bent would have been asking for huge wages. Signing a player like that would dent morale in the squad.
Our wage structure at the moment is allowing us to keep players like Begovic and Shawcross, and hopefully they'll only leave if silly money and the offer of Champions League football comes in.
Questions would be asked if one of our better players were leaving because the likes of Everton, Newcastle or Aston Villa offered more.
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