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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 2, 2013 18:55:28 GMT
Just looking at the Bayern Support and it seems that the atmosphere in most other countries is pretty good wheras the premiershit seems to get duller and quieter each season ?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 2, 2013 18:59:06 GMT
definitely, bundesliga games are way better for atmosphere and singing. guess what they allow standing areas
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2013 19:01:00 GMT
I suspect we still have some of the cleverest, rudest, most irreverant football chants but we won't be anywhere near the top of any volume table.
I too make the link with standing, there is something almost comical about sitting in a nasty plastic seat and singing. It's not something a grown man should be engaging in.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2013 19:01:34 GMT
I think our crowds wait for action on the pitch to trigger them into noise. Abroad they seem to chant and make noise to inspire action from their team, or is that me being a bit simple?
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 2, 2013 19:07:40 GMT
It has everything to do with sitting down, if you stand up to get the full volume out you get a tap on the back telling you sit down, which is fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 19:10:48 GMT
I think our crowds wait for action on the pitch to trigger them into noise. Abroad they seem to chant and make noise to inspire action from their team, or is that me being a bit simple? I reckon you're right to a certain extent Geoff. Although I've heard plenty of crowds silenced over the years in Champions League matches. The Turks always seem to keep their atmosphere going and the German clubs are showing us how it's done lately. I have to laugh when I read people on here saying that there is no better atmosphere in world football than the Brit when it's rocking  |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2013 19:11:33 GMT
Weren't Stoke fans sitting down in the first two years back in the PL?
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Post by minnierover on Oct 2, 2013 19:11:52 GMT
No, not at all. It's just that away fans always sing more. If bayern are poor at home then their fans are quiet. We were quiet on Sunday because we were utter shite, Norwich fans were noisy from the off and got louder as they knew they would win. Man U fans were quiet v Albion as they were subdued to their nervy start to this season and Albion made a hell of a lot of noise, on motd anyway, because they were away and played superbly. English are still the best.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2013 19:14:44 GMT
Everton fans were quiet the other night and they were winning 3-0.
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Post by biganddaft on Oct 2, 2013 19:21:57 GMT
Weren't Stoke fans sitting down in the first two years back in the PL? There were seats in place but nobody sat in them. Everyone was too excited to sit down, it was all about adrenalin and the lust to see us stay up. Compare that to the last couple of season when it's like sitting at the opera. Wank, in a word. |
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Post by Jimm on Oct 3, 2013 0:23:10 GMT
England's to health conscious, if i had my way i'd make flares, flags, scarfs and pyro's a necessity at games  |
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Post by withnall on Oct 3, 2013 3:07:13 GMT
"Sing when it matters.
We only sing when it matters".
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Post by trebor63 on Oct 3, 2013 5:08:07 GMT
In England our working classes have been priced out of football and a new breed of fan has all but taken over. At the end of the day football isn't the be-all and end all for the 'new' fan and it shows. English football is now akin to going to the theatre and shouting and swearing is frowned upon by the majority.
If I made a list of everything I loved about football in the seventies and then crossed off all the things that have now gone from that list, there would probably be nothing left! I work in a place with a fairly equal mix of Polish Rumanians and English people (mainly under thirties and male) And the English lads have a almost total disinterest in football or only have a passing interest and VERY little knowledge. The foreign lads are quite passionate about it.
In all honesty if I was a seven year old now (the age when I fell totally in love with football/ Stoke) I probably wouldn't bother with it at all.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 3, 2013 5:58:49 GMT
In England our working classes have been priced out of football and a new breed of fan has all but taken over. At the end of the day football isn't the be-all and end all for the 'new' fan and it shows. English football is now akin to going to the theatre and shouting and swearing is frowned upon by the majority. If I made a list of everything I loved about football in the seventies and then crossed off all the things that have now gone from that list, there would probably be nothing left! I work in a place with a fairly equal mix of Polish Rumanians and English people (mainly under thirties and male) And the English lads have a almost total disinterest in football or only have a passing interest and VERY little knowledge. The foreign lads are quite passionate about it. In all honesty if I was a seven year old now (the age when I fell totally in love with football/ Stoke) I probably wouldn't bother with it at all. Nail on the head. Football is for the middle classes now. There will be a better atmosphere in the pubs around the stadium than there is in it. The National Team has been like that as long as I can remember but the clubs are catching up now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 6:19:27 GMT
In England our working classes have been priced out of football and a new breed of fan has all but taken over. At the end of the day football isn't the be-all and end all for the 'new' fan and it shows. English football is now akin to going to the theatre and shouting and swearing is frowned upon by the majority. If I made a list of everything I loved about football in the seventies and then crossed off all the things that have now gone from that list, there would probably be nothing left! I work in a place with a fairly equal mix of Polish Rumanians and English people (mainly under thirties and male) And the English lads have a almost total disinterest in football or only have a passing interest and VERY little knowledge. The foreign lads are quite passionate about it. In all honesty if I was a seven year old now (the age when I fell totally in love with football/ Stoke) I probably wouldn't bother with it at all. Good post. The passion in our game and match day experience is definitely dying and your point about cost has to be a major contribution. |
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Post by yoc on Oct 3, 2013 6:51:04 GMT
I've seen about 50 games all over Europe and it just dosn't happen, it needs organising.
Set standing areas where people of a like mind gather, people usually with megaphones starting the songs,
banners and flags manufactured, a will and an effort by the club and fans to make it happen and practise.
I noticed the other night Celtic seem to have somthing going on, a new area up behind the goal in the corner seems to have flags and banners and the singing seemed much more consistant loud and organised than previous games, i think they have taken thier lead from travelling in Europe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 7:20:55 GMT
It's definitely a different 'class' of supporters that watch footie abroad. Just a quick look at that Gif above shows very few ladies and a party atmosphere.
One word - beer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 7:41:55 GMT
They are at Stoke  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 7:48:55 GMT
I suspect we still have some of the cleverest, rudest, most irreverant football chants but we won't be anywhere near the top of any volume table. I too make the link with standing, there is something almost comical about sitting in a nasty plastic seat and singing. It's not something a grown man should be engaging in. Agreed. Sitting and singing at the football is unholy Gods. OldTrafford can often go totally silent, it's hilarious yet also rather odd for such a huge place. They definitely have an issue with their support, as everybody knows. |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 3, 2013 8:08:52 GMT
I'm certain the product on the pitch as resulted in less noise at grounds.If the ball is passed around at the back or in midfield, or worse still passed backwards, it doesn't produce much excitement.
I think the English still like the old style, up and under, tackling, the ball going forward, the ball in the box.
One game is now like another, it's become all too predictable.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Oct 3, 2013 8:20:48 GMT
Juventus atmosphere was electric last night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 10:17:45 GMT
In England our working classes have been priced out of football and a new breed of fan has all but taken over. At the end of the day football isn't the be-all and end all for the 'new' fan and it shows. English football is now akin to going to the theatre and shouting and swearing is frowned upon by the majority. If I made a list of everything I loved about football in the seventies and then crossed off all the things that have now gone from that list, there would probably be nothing left! I work in a place with a fairly equal mix of Polish Rumanians and English people (mainly under thirties and male) And the English lads have a almost total disinterest in football or only have a passing interest and VERY little knowledge. The foreign lads are quite passionate about it. In all honesty if I was a seven year old now (the age when I fell totally in love with football/ Stoke) I probably wouldn't bother with it at all. Nail on the head. Football is for the middle classes now. There will be a better atmosphere in the pubs around the stadium than there is in it. The National Team has been like that as long as I can remember but the clubs are catching up now. a good post followed up by another one...well done lads!!! there is no tribal element in football anymore and it's that that creates the noise...the idea that we all "Belong" to the same family/entity/cause (call it what you will) just isn't there. nowadays everyone's an armchair pundit so end up arguing with the person next to them more often than hugging them while you jump and down together. flares aren't needed, pyro's aren't needed, all that's necessary (without sounding all John Lennon about it) is the sense of togetherness and that just disappeared as soon as "The common man" got priced out as has been said. it was the one thing that people had to genuinely look forward to at the weekend after a long, hard week working your arse off to make ends meet and was therefore the one thing everyone saved up for. nowadays in England,because it's the middle classes (in general) that can only afford to go regularly to EVERY game home and away, it's just another recreational activity along with every other recreational activity that happens during the week.for some it's still their life and what they live for and look forward to every day until the whistle blows at 3pm and then you can finally erupt as you've been waiting to do all week but for a lot it's just another couple of hours out to go along with going the pub on Monday, the cinema on Wednesday, a restaurant on Thursday, Dinner party on friday...it's nothing special, just another day out.it used to be a case of virtually everyone who went were familiar faces that you saw in the same place at the ground week in, week out but that's changed completely now. those working class people that go every week are no longer the majority of the crowd and you therefore can't get a collective spirit together when only about 30-40% of the people there are regulars and the rest of the crowd is made up of people who go every now and again. bring the prices down so EVERYONE can go week in, week out again and you'll see a resurgence in the atmos around the country. it's money, that simple |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 3, 2013 10:36:13 GMT
as soon as " The common man " got priced out.
As far as I know mick, Voidy still goes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 11:41:04 GMT
Ah yes, but do they have flares and smoke bombs?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2013 20:29:30 GMT
I find German fan culture a bit meh. They make a great noise but all the flags and drums and the celebrating together at the end of the game with the wavey thing. I find it a bit embarrassing.
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Post by burge2u on Oct 3, 2013 21:20:25 GMT
What's all this 'middle class' sh!t?
I've had a Stoke season ticket since 1974 (in John Smith's upper since we moved to the Brit).
I have also been working since the age of 16.
Does this make me 'middle class' or 'working class' ?
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Post by nott1 on Oct 4, 2013 13:31:02 GMT
What's all this 'middle class' sh!t? I've had a Stoke season ticket since 1974 (in John Smith's upper since we moved to the Brit). I have also been working since the age of 16. Does this make me 'middle class' or 'working class' ? Depends on your job. If you shovel shit or work as a brain surgeon. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:54:36 GMT
I was at the Nou Camp for a La Liga game last week and the atmosphere was like a library,all very polite,some clapping,the occasional ole,just a few hundred Barca fans behind the goal singing.Virtually no away support at all,if it hadn't have been for the tourists I doubt there'd have been 30,000 there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 14:06:07 GMT
What's all this 'middle class' sh!t? I've had a Stoke season ticket since 1974 (in John Smith's upper since we moved to the Brit). I have also been working since the age of 16. Does this make me 'middle class' or 'working class' ? missed the point....... the point is that years ago the vast majority of regular football goers were working class people, nowadays the majority of regular football goers aren't. look at the average season ticket prices of most Prem clubs and see how many "Working class" people could afford them, that kind of shows the point being made. i don't think anyone has suggested that ONLY middle class people go to games, merely the fact that most crowds nowadays are made up of people that have supported their team since they were young and also people who just go every now and again simply as a past time rather than as a part of their life so the passion the diehard fans have at games is diluted by the masses who just see it as the same as going to Drayton Manor park for a day out with the kids. Stoke are lucky because our season ticket prices are far lower than most other Prem teams but do you honestly think the average "Working class" Arsenal fan can afford a grand for a season ticket???? those season tickets are taken by city boys who don't have the same kind of footballing "Tradition" in their genes that they did 30 years ago. stoke is also a provincial club so our crowds will largely be made up of working class folk from the immediate area but that's very rare in English football (particularly the Prem). our home support is 90 odd per cent made up of season ticket holders but most clubs aren't, they're made up people who go week in, week out AND people who go every now and then because they just fancy a day out. that's the difference between now and how it used to be |
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Post by efc on Oct 4, 2013 20:00:50 GMT
Agree with the middle class thing especially in regards to the London and to an extent southern clubs. Health and safety and trigger happy stewards also both come into play.
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