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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 29, 2013 17:54:30 GMT
No panic after one particularly inept performance, but enough warning signs for Hughes @ co to sit up and take heed. Whilst Hughes has hardly put a foot wrong so far, and has done what several fans have been demanding for a long time ( ie. meritocracy, passing, more positive away from home, attacking players, left footers, etc), I wonder whether he should be careful of changing the personnel and style too quickly. Our high tempo pressing game was non- existent today and not much in evidence at Arsenal either. Most disturbingly, our set pieces seem particularly impotent which is strange when this has been our richest source of goals for many seasons. We seem to have lost that " nasty" streak which knocks opponents off their stride. The game today was one in previous seasons where we would have scraped a draw by hook or by crook through sheer bloody- mindedness. Today, we never got out of first gear.
Looking around the team, I see a lack of leaders. Arnie, Pennant, N'Zonzi, Ireland, Jones, Adam, for all their tricks and attacking instinct are not exactly the kind of players you would want to have next to you in the trenches. I thought today was crying out for Whelan as Wilson put in the worst performance in a Stoke shirt for many a year. For all Whelan's shortcomings, he would have gotten stuck in and pressed Norwich back.
It is clear that some players are not good enough or consistent enough. I think that Adam and Wilson have player their way onto the bench whilst Jones cannot be far off. We are crying out for a fast striker so Agudelo's arrival cannot come soon enough, although there's no guarantee he will be able to hit the ground running.
The next two games will be interesting .....
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 29, 2013 17:56:06 GMT
Our DNA was shit though to be fair.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 29, 2013 17:57:16 GMT
Our DNA was shit though to be fair. It was better than today's variety. However, no panic as i said |
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Post by adamsson on Sept 29, 2013 18:00:39 GMT
Our high tempo pressing game has been missing all year. We are short on players because someone blew 20 million on two hopeless forwards and the money has been turned off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2013 18:02:30 GMT
Our high tempo pressing game? We did that once or twice a season under TP, it's an absolute myth. We more often than not sat deep and soaked up pressure.
And our set pieces were impotent last season too, Huth and Shawcross got no more than 3 goals between them did they? So pinning that on Hughes is a bit harsh at best, fanciful at worst. But fuck the blame game it does need to improve and we can all agree on that.....probably not.
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2013 18:07:57 GMT
I agree on the points regarding personnel, but the high pressing game has been conspicuous by its absence since Boxing Day hasn't it and there were several games in which we failed to grab a draw "by hook or by crook" last season after going a goal down and playing poorly. Are we just going to start re-writing history?
If it makes you feel happy then fair enough, but harping on about the past isn't going to get us anywhere. Mark Hughes has inherited a team which was the lowest scoring Premier League outfit for two years running. He's certainly going to have his work cut out to try and rectify that situation and anyone who thought he was going to be able to manage it within the first half dozen games of the season needs to take their head for a bit of a wobble.
He is the manager however and he needs to figure out want went so badly wrong today and ensure that we don't witness many more displays like that.
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Post by march4 on Sept 29, 2013 18:16:24 GMT
We certainly need to take a good look at our set pieces.
Has even a nanosecond of work been done on them this season. If we are struggling to find any fluency going forward they remain our best hope of grabbing a goal.
Norwich's goal came about from the break down in play when WE had a free kick just inside our own half that could have been used to put the opposition under some pressure. Instead we passed it back to our centre backs, who however much we love them, are not the best at a quick passing game.
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 29, 2013 18:21:52 GMT
Delap was there today. We don't half miss players with his DNA.
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 18:24:32 GMT
Kjones9. Our DNA was to batter other teams into submission especially when kicking into the Boothen End with the crowd behind them. 100% up the in face style.
Sideways and backward passing is not our DNA
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2013 18:27:05 GMT
Kjones9. Our DNA was to batter other teams into submission especially when kicking into the Boothen End with the crowd behind them. 100% up the in face style. Sideways and backward passing is not our DNA We haven't had that for years. Depressing talk. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 18:29:54 GMT
Our 2008 DNA disappeared in 2011 and has never returned
It's time to let all that bollocks go
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 18:30:06 GMT
Bayern. Lets turn back the clock then. I'm all for passing football but only if it is progressive and puts the opposition under pressure
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 29, 2013 18:39:35 GMT
Kjones9. Our DNA was to batter other teams into submission especially when kicking into the Boothen End with the crowd behind them. 100% up the in face style. Sideways and backward passing is not our DNA Which didn't happen very much in the last 2 years did it? West Ham at home (0-1) late last season we had one shot on goal all game of any significance and if you want to talk about attacking the boothen, what about that second half against Wigan last January when we looked far more shambolic than we did today. Also what about the WBA 0-0 or the same against Sunderland last season or the appalling display at home to Villa a team who were in the relgation zone in the last throes of the season? None of this DNA you talk about was present in ANY of those games and a whole load more. Our DNA is not and should not be the dull as ditchwater minimalist crap that Pulis turned out but the quick passing fast attacking exciting football tha Waddo gave us. BM |
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 29, 2013 18:39:45 GMT
I agree on the points regarding personnel, but the high pressing game has been conspicuous by its absence since Boxing Day hasn't it and there were several games in which we failed to grab a draw "by hook or by crook" last season after going a goal down and playing poorly. Are we just going to start re-writing history? If it makes you feel happy then fair enough, but harping on about the past isn't going to get us anywhere. Mark Hughes has inherited a team which was the lowest scoring Premier League outfit for two years running. He's certainly going to have his work cut out to try and rectify that situation and anyone who thought he was going to be able to manage it within the first half dozen games of the season needs to take their head for a bit of a wobble. He is the manager however and he needs to figure out want went so badly wrong today and ensure that we don't witness many more displays like that. I think "history" relates to a far lengthier period than post-Boxing Day when, I agree, we became inept in every department. I am talking about the qualities that have kept us in the Prem for the last 5 seasons, much of which must still be within many of the clientele we have today. I am not criticising Hughes at all as i think he has done extremely well by trying to turn what had become a "pig's ear into a silk purse". He needs evolution, not revolution, and get to the silk purse in stages. I would take a "pig's purse" this season and look forward to the silkier one next season if things go well, if you get my drift |
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 18:45:50 GMT
People are getting a little too nostalgic and need to wake up re our recent DNA under Pulis
It's a long gone myth
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 18:57:33 GMT
Bristolmick. Why bring Pulis into the debate, I didn't. If you would prefer carpet football backwards and sideways without a threat fair enough. Your opinion
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 19:00:38 GMT
Bristolmick. Why bring Pulis into the debate, I didn't. If you would prefer carpet football backwards and sideways without a threat fair enough. Your opinion It's about the mythical DNA OS So the Pulis point is relevant |
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Sept 29, 2013 19:02:21 GMT
Change in personnel is a red herring as there were only two new players on the pitch today at the start and they were two of the better players. I think we should have shipped out more duffers , Wilson and Walters and i'm not sure our much vaunted centre backs are cutting it at the moment.
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 29, 2013 19:08:41 GMT
Bristolmick. Why bring Pulis into the debate, I didn't. If you would prefer carpet football backwards and sideways without a threat fair enough. Your opinion I am making the point that we haven't had the DNA you describe for quite some time. Today was frustatingly bad but in pretty much every other game this season we have looked good and have only lacked a striker worthy of the name. But that doesn't stop all of the previous managers apologists from jumping on the very first unacceptable performance and telling us nonsense like we are losing our DNA! btw, there was no carpet football on show today and there wasn't much passing either. BM |
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 19:12:32 GMT
Werrington. Sorry if I misunderstood. Having been an avid supporter for to many years to go public on our most recent DNA was to batter the opposition. However you achieve that. Our present passing sideways, backwards style will not bring results nor IMHO be acceptable to the majority of us fickle fans.
We need a major overall in January to progress never mind stanstill
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 19:16:17 GMT
Werrington. Sorry if I misunderstood. Having been an avid supporter for to many years to go public on our most recent DNA was to batter the opposition. However you achieve that. Our present passing sideways, backwards style will not bring results nor IMHO be acceptable to the majority of us fickle fans. We need a major overall in January to progress never mind stanstill Mate that's another myth that we battered sides It's all pre 2011 |
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Post by RAF on Sept 29, 2013 19:18:51 GMT
Werrington. Sorry if I misunderstood. Having been an avid supporter for to many years to go public on our most recent DNA was to batter the opposition. However you achieve that. Our present passing sideways, backwards style will not bring results nor IMHO be acceptable to the majority of us fickle fans. We need a major overall in January to progress never mind stanstill Not like you to be coy Owde, didn't you start watching Stoke 61/62 as you've told us all several times? H  |
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 19:21:27 GMT
Werrington.....let's agree to disagree over dates etc. We have lost what was our DNA, play, support etc. Which saddens me. I used to travel the world and the UK and I was proud to be Potter when people from all over knew and remarked about SCFC
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 19:24:57 GMT
Werrington.....let's agree to disagree over dates etc. We have lost what was our DNA, play, support etc. Which saddens me. I used to travel the world and the UK and I was proud to be Potter when people from all over knew and remarked about SCFC Give it time mate.....sorry give Hughes time |
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 29, 2013 19:28:28 GMT
Werrington. Give Hughes time is no problem. January will be a big time for the club and it's direction.
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2013 19:30:41 GMT
Werrington. Give Hughes time is no problem. January will be a big time for the club and it's direction. Without a doubt OS We just need to get there in a comfortable position |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2013 19:47:50 GMT
We started to lose our DNA two years ago and it was eventually gone a short time after it started to disappear.
It will take more than 6 games for us to recover that but we will recover it in time. I have every faith in the manager, evidence again by his two half time substitutions and his post match comments.
We simply weren't good enough and he hauled off two of the 3 main culprits as quickly as he could.
Today was absolutely shocking and aside from Pieters (and maybe Ryan), I don't think anyone really comes out of today with too much credit.
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Post by riponstokie on Sept 29, 2013 20:20:13 GMT
Our DNA was shit though to be fair. Really? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 29, 2013 20:22:09 GMT
Our DNA was shit though to be fair. Really? Yes, did you not go last season? |
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 29, 2013 23:38:28 GMT
We had an identity for sure. Like it or loathe it. What have we got now??? Not sure what we are. If you are going to be tippy tappy you need to be half decent at it surely
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