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Nzonzi
Sept 29, 2013 17:38:48 GMT
Post by rambo61 on Sept 29, 2013 17:38:48 GMT
He,s obviously been turned into the main man. however when he decides he cant be bothered(today!!) we,re fucked!!We need our main man to be on top of his game ...Nzonzi is too emotional. If he doesn't fancy it ...tough shit!!Who have we got who we can rely on week after week?? Can Ireland be the the man because Adam certainly isn't capable of dominating the midfield.
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Nzonzi
Sept 29, 2013 18:26:27 GMT
Post by salopstick on Sept 29, 2013 18:26:27 GMT
He slows the game too much to weigh up his options rather than a quick pass to keep the move going
By the time he had made his descision we lose the ball or half the opposition are around him
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Nzonzi
Sept 29, 2013 18:45:11 GMT
Post by wembley1972 on Sept 29, 2013 18:45:11 GMT
Nzonzi has had a few excellent games but has had far more where he has looked disinterested, sure he is calm in possession of the ball and rarely looks flustered but he allows the opposition time to get into position and then hasn't got a pass on. He loses his cool far to easily for me and so becomes a liability, giving away silly free kicks. That said it's the managers job to get the best out him so if he can't he ultimately takes the blame and if Nzonzi poor attitude continues MH must make the decision to find someone who can do a better job for the team.
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Nzonzi
Sept 29, 2013 18:48:11 GMT
Post by stokecitydom on Sept 29, 2013 18:48:11 GMT
One of the problems is that there is just a complete lack of options to pass to.
We are so static it's unbelievable. At least when Ireland came on he tried to give an option, which resulted in an improved second half (still poor).
Also, in defence of N'Zonzi. For the first half he was in central midfield on his own. Wilson was an absolute shambles & Adam was trundling around the pitch offering nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 19:09:52 GMT
I still think N,zonzi has got a lot to prove. Seems to lose interest, too often!
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Nzonzi
Sept 29, 2013 22:34:44 GMT
Post by anarchicalan on Sept 29, 2013 22:34:44 GMT
Frankly, his passing is sloppy. Yes, I've seen the stats and his accuracy stands with the best. However, his passing just about reaches his team mate at a snail's pace, allowing the opposition time to close down and tackle. He needs to pass it more crisply, and forward once in a while. He takes the simple option, passing it whichever way he's facing to the nearest player, regardless of where he is or what else is potentially on for the team. He spends half the match whining to the ref and another 40% arguing with either the opposition or his team mates. That's 10% left for the team. It simply isn't good enough. We should have let him go when he slapped the transfer request in. He's not the player we thought he was.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 4:09:39 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Sept 30, 2013 4:09:39 GMT
Bigger worry for me is N'Zonzi hardly challenged for the ball - particularly 50-50's in the air in the second half. Seemed to be happy to try and pick up the second ball. In midfield you have to fight for the ball.
Like the fat fuck Charlie, he just wants to do the glamour stuff; ain't (at least on this occasion) prepared to put in the hard yards.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 5:14:42 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 30, 2013 5:14:42 GMT
The peaks and troughs of the emotions of this board are absolutely ridiculous, rewind 3 days and N'zonzi was "a top four player" now, after 1 bad game, he's suddenly shite with all these deficiencies to his game.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2013 5:23:45 GMT
The peaks and troughs of the emotions of this board are absolutely ridiculous, rewind 3 days and N'zonzi was "a top four player" now, after 1 bad game, he's suddenly shite with all these deficiencies to his game. Can't see too many people bashing him for a lack of skill/talent. There was a lack of effort/interest though sadly
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 5:30:18 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 30, 2013 5:30:18 GMT
The peaks and troughs of the emotions of this board are absolutely ridiculous, rewind 3 days and N'zonzi was "a top four player" now, after 1 bad game, he's suddenly shite with all these deficiencies to his game. Can't see too many people bashing him for a lack of skill/talent. There was a lack of effort/interest though sadly Maybe, but the reaction to this defeat is the oatcake at its knicker wetting finest. ALL of our players, collectively, had a really bad day it can happen.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2013 5:38:08 GMT
Can't see too many people bashing him for a lack of skill/talent. There was a lack of effort/interest though sadly Maybe, but the reaction to this defeat is the oatcake at its knicker wetting finest. ALL of our players, collectively, had a really bad day it can happen. I think it's just come as a shock to people after how 'well' we have been playing up to now. I didn't like the fact that we as well as out shitness yesterday we seemed to throw the towel in too. I can deal with us being shit, in fact I've been quite used to it the last few seasons but a lack of effort isn't acceptable.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 6:01:26 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 30, 2013 6:01:26 GMT
Maybe, but the reaction to this defeat is the oatcake at its knicker wetting finest. ALL of our players, collectively, had a really bad day it can happen. I think it's just come as a shock to people after how 'well' we have been playing up to now. I didn't like the fact that we as well as out shitness yesterday we seemed to throw the towel in too. I can deal with us being shit, in fact I've been quite used to it the last few seasons but a lack of effort isn't acceptable. Oh I do agree. MH also agrees m.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/story.html?aid=19863691My original point is the mood swings on here and the "I told you Hughes, jones, N'zonzi, Cameron, peiters. Etc, etc ... Was shit" posts.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 6:57:39 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 30, 2013 6:57:39 GMT
He should be the anchor man in a midfield three. Never understood the clamour last season to 'let him out of the cage' - he doesn't offer that much going forward. He's not direct or creative enough.
Plonk him in the front of the centre-backs, breaking up play and passing mainly to either the full-backs or two other centre midfielders who can unlock a defence [which brings into the problem - who are they in our squad?]. I'd play him or Wilson in this position - on current form it would be N'Zonzi as Wilson had a shocker yesterday - and play either Adam and Ireland, or Ireland and Whelan in front of him.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 7:39:19 GMT
Post by jeycov on Sept 30, 2013 7:39:19 GMT
He should be the anchor man in a midfield three. Never understood the clamour last season to 'let him out of the cage' - he doesn't offer that much going forward. He's not direct or creative enough. Plonk him in the front of the centre-backs, breaking up play and passing mainly to either the full-backs or two other centre midfielders who can unlock a defence [which brings into the problem - who are they in our squad?]. I'd play him or Wilson in this position - on current form it would be N'Zonzi as Wilson had a shocker yesterday - and play either Adam and Ireland, or Ireland and Whelan in front of him. Adding Ireland to the midfield will prove to be a great signing imo. Early days but this may give N'Zonzi a bit more encouragement when he gets frustrated I just hope that he will be able to cope with Ireland being even more of a key player should that happen. Poor performance all round.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 7:45:40 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 30, 2013 7:45:40 GMT
He should be the anchor man in a midfield three. Never understood the clamour last season to 'let him out of the cage' - he doesn't offer that much going forward. He's not direct or creative enough. Plonk him in the front of the centre-backs, breaking up play and passing mainly to either the full-backs or two other centre midfielders who can unlock a defence [which brings into the problem - who are they in our squad?]. I'd play him or Wilson in this position - on current form it would be N'Zonzi as Wilson had a shocker yesterday - and play either Adam and Ireland, or Ireland and Whelan in front of him. Adding Ireland to the midfield will prove to be a great signing imo. Early days but this may give N'Zonzi a bit more encouragement when he gets frustrated I just hope that he will be able to cope with Ireland being even more of a key player should that happen. Poor performance all round. Agree. Even a half fit Ireland improved the team. Poor game all round by too many players, even Bego.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 9:55:30 GMT
Post by nott1 on Sept 30, 2013 9:55:30 GMT
N'Zonzi moved away from the man who scored 2 seconds later!
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 9:57:15 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 30, 2013 9:57:15 GMT
Pretty much his dna at Blackburn - sometimes top 4 material, sometimes playing with his flip flops on
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 10:01:13 GMT
Post by fca47 on Sept 30, 2013 10:01:13 GMT
Got talent but hasn't got the discipline to go with it.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 10:06:18 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 30, 2013 10:06:18 GMT
One of the problems is that there is just a complete lack of options to pass to. We are so static it's unbelievable. At least when Ireland came on he tried to give an option, which resulted in an improved second half (still poor). Also, in defence of N'Zonzi. For the first half he was in central midfield on his own. Wilson was an absolute shambles & Adam was trundling around the pitch offering nothing. Those are my thoughts. N'zonzi has got an attitude problem at times but yesterday must have been tough for him in the first half when there was absolutely no sign by most of the players that they were interested in finding the space to receive a pass. As you say, Ireland did make a difference when he came on as, to a lesser extend did, Pennant - they are both more willing to try to find space than many of their colleagues. Of course they look a bit daft sometimes when it doesn't work but at least they give it a try. I would ALWAYS start with Ireland from now on. He looks like he can last an hour and that will improve with time. I'd also consider starting Assaidi. Like Jerome he has enough pace to make an average pass look good when he sits on the shoulder of a defender.
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 10:22:37 GMT
Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 30, 2013 10:22:37 GMT
N,Zonzi should have been subbed aswell yesterday
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 11:01:30 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 30, 2013 11:01:30 GMT
Adding Ireland to the midfield will prove to be a great signing imo. Early days but this may give N'Zonzi a bit more encouragement when he gets frustrated I just hope that he will be able to cope with Ireland being even more of a key player should that happen. Poor performance all round. Agree. Even a half fit Ireland improved the team. Poor game all round by too many players, even Bego. . Whilst I find myself in agreement don't you find it somewhat worrying that a player who last year couldn't get a game at a team which narrowly avoided relegation is being regarded as our great white hope ? That alone goes to show the lack of depth and quality in our squad
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 12:15:32 GMT
Post by harrysburrow on Sept 30, 2013 12:15:32 GMT
N'Zonzi is a very good footballer, but why are people surprised by his attitude. He's French?
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 12:24:15 GMT
Post by jeycov on Sept 30, 2013 12:24:15 GMT
Agree. Even a half fit Ireland improved the team. Poor game all round by too many players, even Bego. . Whilst I find myself in agreement don't you find it somewhat worrying that a player who last year couldn't get a game at a team which narrowly avoided relegation is being regarded as our great white hope ? That alone goes to show the lack of depth and quality in our squad Yes it is a gamble. Ireland has played at international level, has played with MH as manager. Ok Peter Crouch has played at international level, has not regained that form while at Stoke, but did contribute to keeping us in the Prem for the last 2 seasons imo I think that Hughes is treading carefully ( not wanting to make too many major moves too early) while he gets to know the players He is taking a calculated risk that we will accrue a steady amount of points until the end of December I think that he rates N'Zonzi and is looking to buy in players that can work with him. To date he hasn't spent / wasted? a lot of money on any one signing I believe that he has the resources to do this and just missed out on several targets before the end of the last transfer window. I also believe that there will be a lot more transfer business done in January with MH having had a bit more time to gauge the strengths and weaknesses in the squad I think that we will sign one or two very good players, possibly both strikers
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Nzonzi
Sept 30, 2013 12:43:58 GMT
Post by Godo on Sept 30, 2013 12:43:58 GMT
N'Zonzi was lazy and couldn't be arsed yesterday. I know Wilson made mistake after mistake but at least he tried to get involved but N'Zonzi was actually breaking down what bit of momentum we had when he was on the ball, particularly last 25 minutes when Pennant was crying for the ball wide and N'Zonzi played it square into the middle time after time.
Adam is clearly a big time Charlie who is unfit and is nowhere near as good as he imagines he is. Last 2 league games he has given the ball away numerous times with stupid lazy, arrogant flicks etc. Ireland is too lightweight and will never recover full match fitness. If Palacios etc can't force their way into that central midfield 3 then we should have a big clear out.
I have never been a critic or fan of Crouch but that lacklustre performance yesterday was the last straw for me. On national tv hadn't even got the pride or application to run around outside a box of about 6 square yards and did his lazy opting out fall on the floor act every time the ball came near him.
Out of yesterday's team I think you'd have to say that only the Keeper, Back 4 ( although Cameron's crossing was poor and several times he failed to go outside Pennant when he should have ) and Arnie convinced that they are up for the challenges of the season in a Stoke shirt. N'Zonzi needs to be reminded that he gets paid every week not the half of the games when he feels in the mood to turn up.
Winger, 2 strikers and a proper number 10 are needed in January please!!!
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