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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 6:33:15 GMT
Campbell has said that he's going to start his managerial career overseas as the FA's approach to the issue regarding black managers is archaic.
I have to say that stories like this annoy me. There's no actual evidence at all (seemingly) to show that black coaches are being turned down through any form of prejudice and the appointment of a manager depends on many factors.
There's the possible adoption of a 'Rooney Rule' (from America) which would see clubs having to interview somebody of an ethnic background. This would do absolutely no good at all. What if a club has say two clear targets (or even one!) and no interest in anybody else? Would they still have to call a black guy in for an interview? If so, then what an absolute mockery.
If people want more black/ethnic coaches in football, then its up to them to do the courses, get the badges and look for opportunities like everybody else. Then, if they believe that they've been overlooked on a racial basis, then follow the same process that anybody else has to.
He then goes on to criticise the FA for not helping him when he had his own issues. Why is that the FA's obligation? Is that not what the PFA is for? Or again, any other support group that any other person has access to?
This is also the same Sol Campbell who warned black and ethnic fans to not even risk going to Poland/Ukraine in the Euro's as they risk coming back in coffins. Seems to me that he's one of them 'woe is me' folk and hope that people give him preferential treatment instead of work hard and earn his stripes.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 28, 2013 6:53:13 GMT
Doesn't fancy the hard yards at the likes of Stockport County or Bath City.
Parachutes himself into a nice job abroad where he can trade off his name for a while
I like his thinking...!
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Post by newsteadst3 on Sept 28, 2013 6:54:24 GMT
If any individual is good enough to manage a club I am convinced they will be given jobs,
chile ,spain , sweedish, argetine, french, all these nationalities have been given jobs
with premier league clubs,
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 28, 2013 6:57:48 GMT
We can't really draw any conclusions about the lack of black managers unless we know how many black players start to take their coaching badges compared to the numbers of white players who start to take them. Even if you knew that you wouldn't be able to draw any conclusions unless you knew that, if for example there are lower percentages of black players taking badges, what the reasons for that shortfall are. Here is an extract from Campbell's interview in the Guardian today.....
"I gave my heart and soul for the national team but the FA were not there for me when I had problems," he says with only a vague reference to what those problems were. "They tried to help me afterwards but they were never proactive. Even after that, I still wanted to do something with the England setup, and they said they were interested, but the interest went cold. Suddenly, Gary Neville pops up as assistant manager. It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems. I put out an olive branch and it got broken, but whatever, I'm ready to move on."
It doesn't seem to occur to him that Neville "popped up as assistant manager" not because he was nice and wouldn't cause any problems but because, in the short time since Neville stopped playing, he has proved to have a superb tactical awareness - more than any player of his generation - including Sol Campbell! Here is the full article - it is long but good. Not sure that it will have the result Campbell hopes for. Guardian Article |
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Post by stayingupfor Sexualchocolate on Sept 28, 2013 7:13:35 GMT
We can't really draw any conclusions about the lack of black managers unless we know how many black players start to take their coaching badges compared to the numbers of white players who start to take them. Even if you knew that you wouldn't be able to draw any conclusions unless you knew that, if for example there are lower percentages of black players taking badges, what the reasons for that shortfall are. Here is an extract from Campbell's interview in the Guardian today.....
"I gave my heart and soul for the national team but the FA were not there for me when I had problems," he says with only a vague reference to what those problems were. "They tried to help me afterwards but they were never proactive. Even after that, I still wanted to do something with the England setup, and they said they were interested, but the interest went cold. Suddenly, Gary Neville pops up as assistant manager. It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems. I put out an olive branch and it got broken, but whatever, I'm ready to move on."
It doesn't seem to occur to him that Neville "popped up as assistant manager" not because he was nice and wouldn't cause any problems but because, in the short time since Neville stopped playing, he has proved to have a superb tactical awareness - more than any player of his generation - including Sol Campbell! Here is the full article - it is long but good. Not sure that it will have the result Campbell hopes for. Guardian ArticleThat smacks to me of someone who is trying to use the whole race card to gain himself a top job without having to put the hard yards and the truth of the matter is that he hasn't finished his coaching badges yet! |
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2013 7:17:57 GMT
Sol Campbell is a cunter pure and simple.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 28, 2013 7:27:01 GMT
Playing the race card before he's even had a managerial job is probably just going to put off prospective employers.
They'll be worried that if it all goes to pot and they have to sack him, he'll play the race card..
Bizarre pop at Neville too. I can imagine Neville will be quite annoyed by it, not that he'll go blarting to the press about it.
Also after watching his petulant stomping hissy fit after the 'incident' it showed a lack of leadership and an inability to keep a cool head. From which we can conclude as RAF suggests, he is indeed a massive cunter not cut out for management.
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Post by serpico on Sept 28, 2013 7:30:50 GMT
I'm convinced There will be more black managers in the next 5-10 years, but it will happen organically, there's no need for silly rules about being forced to interview black managerial candidates, when you look at most managers today they come from the 70's /80's era when there wasn't a large proportion of black players in England, The next generation of managers will be from the late 90s/2000s and the pool will naturally have more black candidates.
Sol Campbell might actually do more harm than good when constantly moaning about it, he might actually put black players off going into coaching because they wrongly believe theres an inherent racism in football so what's the point in even bothering with coaching badges, if he's not careful he, and others who claim racism, might turn it into a self Fullfilling prophecy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 7:36:36 GMT
So did he think all he had to do was say he wanted to work in the England set up and that would be enough?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 7:40:39 GMT
So did he think all he had to do was say he wanted to work in the England set up and that would be enough? It should be for Sol Campbell by the looks of it Rob |
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Post by chiefie on Sept 28, 2013 7:50:50 GMT
Ask chris hughton Sol for advice. It will probably be --- start at the bottom, assist someone, take your chance, pick yourself back up when you get dumped (Newcastle) and stop whingeing !
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Post by slicko on Sept 28, 2013 7:57:15 GMT
Level 2 coaching at St Georges this summer:
22x male
4x female
comprising of
1x under 18
6x over 40
1x Asian origin
There are no barriers to enrolment other than having passed a level 1
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Post by luke45 on Sept 28, 2013 7:57:46 GMT
He's obviously totally unaware that the England Women's team manager for the last 15 years was black, and the current England Under 19's manager is black. Sol Campbell really is a moron of the highest order.
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Post by mattintheprem on Sept 28, 2013 8:06:56 GMT
I didn't think that my opinion of Sol Campbell as a person could get any lower but its just taken a nose dive..........can't think of anybody who would strike me as less likely to succeed in coaching/management apart from maybe Gazza.
Why is it naturally assumed that a great player came automatically become a great coach/manager particularly when they will be dealing with players who are of much less ability than themselves..........see Glen Hoddle for a good example, he would volley crosses into the back of the net and then berate his players who failed miserably to match his skills. Hardly going to foster the required team spirit and getting them running through brick walls for the boss.
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Post by StokieMatt on Sept 28, 2013 8:08:08 GMT
Someone must of turned his vibe eggs off.
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Post by GlennA on Sept 28, 2013 8:32:39 GMT
Gaz Nev's had a pop on Twitter this morning for example
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Post by bertieb on Sept 28, 2013 8:47:22 GMT
Slicko, you beat me to it. I did my UEFA 'B' licence a few years ago in Aberystwyth, over a hundred people including Kevin Keen, Lee Sandford, and Kevin Russell, Nev Southall, it was like a Stokie reunion. Not one black or asian person on the course. On a side note ther were so many ex pros doing the Welsh course because the price of the E nglish courses are ridiculously high.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 28, 2013 8:56:56 GMT
A friend of mine did some business with him a couple of years ago , told me he is a really horrible person obsessed with money , and wouldn't go near the bloke again
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2013 8:58:40 GMT
Haven't had time to read the article but when you look at the number of black players versus the number of black managers there just has to be some systemic barriers. Has to be.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 28, 2013 9:10:14 GMT
Chip on his shoulder? There have been lots of black managers!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:23:37 GMT
I wonder if he's put his name forward for the Sunderland job?
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Post by ruts66 on Sept 28, 2013 9:28:11 GMT
He really is an insecure, needy twat...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:34:34 GMT
Gaz Nev's had a pop on Twitter this morning for example That's the best and most truthful quote I've ever seen a footballer make. The sad thing is Neville had little natural talent for playing football and got where he was through working hard, which taught him the importance of working hard at everything. Arse Sol (see what I did there) was a naturally gifted centreback who earned England caps and a mega contract at Arsenal without ever really having to apply himself. Obviously he expects the same to happen in all walks of life. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:38:33 GMT
Haven't had time to read the article but when you look at the number of black players versus the number of black managers there just has to be some systemic barriers. Has to be. The sad thing is I've seen similar stories from people who've worked hard to get as much knowledge as possible through their badges and have applied at several lower and non league clubs without any success. They may have had a point. Sol Campbell is upset he hasn't been given the same job as Gary Neville after mentioning he was interested in it once. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:39:29 GMT
I say 'the sad thing is' a lot obviously.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 28, 2013 10:05:37 GMT
Sol Campbell is a cunter pure and simple. H Absolutely agree raf.The Ramsey episode confirmed that.Fuckin melodramatic self pitying cunt. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 28, 2013 10:06:02 GMT
Wasn't Campbell one of the arseholes jumping around with other players like a bunch of demented monkeys and waving imaginary red cards at the ref while Glen Whelan attended their seriously injured team mate after the collision with Ryan. Just about sums him up if it was.
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Post by chadam on Sept 28, 2013 10:41:27 GMT
Sol Campbell is an attention seeking bell end.
Anyone else remember his interview about the EUROs last year? Saying how he wouldn't feel safe going because of racism.
I can't believe he thinks he should of got the England job ahead of Neville, such a cunt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 28, 2013 11:07:15 GMT
Good riddance to the cunt. EDIT- He goes on about Neville like Neville was a saint. This is a bloke that was the player rep of the PFA and nearly sent either the England or Man Yoo side on strike right? He sounds like just the sort of non-trouble making unionist You want around.  Campbell You tart. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 28, 2013 11:36:16 GMT
Oatcake posters seem to struggle to separate personalities from the issues.
Sol Campbell may or may not be an unsavoury character ( though are we really prepared to buy into the well dodgy ' I had a mate who met him once and said he was a wanker 'posts?)
The fact that there are only 3 black managers in the Football League when approximately 25% of the players are black or come from ethnic minorities, tells us that the situation needs some serious attention. That is a huge disparity.
The FA is right to look at this issue. No-one is suggesting quotas, but some effort to make sure black managers are at least considered for management jobs should be encouraged, given the huge amount of interest and contribution to the game that comes from that community.
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Campbell You tart.
